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Hello everyone, hope all is well; I am writing this post after taking a PT, (my 8th total), and i am literally heart broken.
After spending the last year pushing like iv'e never pushed before, I was able to graduate at the end of the summer while taking 25 units in the spring and another 12 units over the summer. To say the least, I finally graduated and got my bachelor's in Sociology from a CSU.
In September, I signed up for the Blueprint LSAT Prep course offered at their original location, by the original founder. working 10 hours a day (8AM-6PM), and putting MY ALL into this prep class, I reached a point where i realized that there is absolutely no possible way to take the December LSAT and score good. I simply wasn't ready; I studied every single day, 7 days a week (6 hours on a day on weekdays, 12-14 hours a day on weekends), The class FLEW by, the instructor was expecting WAY too much, and everything was a complete blur. I worked my BUTT off to save the 1,500.00$ required to pay for that class.
So i rescheduled for the February LSAT, and extended my access for another 350.00$; Realizing, AGAIN, that I am nowhere near my target score (165+) that I need in order to go to any T20+ school (my LSAC GPA is in the gutter.. horrible 2.62), I RESCHEDULED AGAIN. Another heart-breaking moment for me and everyone else around me. At this point, my parents (my father, a VERY hard to please person, works for the department in the US Gov.. can't say which) were completely disgusted with this delay, I was (and still am!) impatiently waiting to start law school and make my dream come true; I so upset at myself that I did not know what to do.
So, what did i do? I quit my 65,000$+/year job, put all my savings towards my bills, hired a private tutor that costs an arm and a leg, buckled down, and made this my top priority for the past 4 months. I have been studying ALMOST EVERY single day, taking 1 or 2 days off a week, and meeting with the tutor at least once a week. while studying, my tutor gave me a study schedule:
by the end of April- We will be completely done with all the material, and we will start doing Practice Tests. 2 weeks before doing practice tests, I started drilling entire sections. i was getting -6/-8 on each section when i was drilling by question or by section; suddenly, when i started PT'ing, my scores are in the gutter.
Today, at of my 8th PT, i have not been able to score higher than a 153. i am completely devastated by the lack of progress made. I've been blind reviewing every single test, I have been going over every single question until I could verbally tell you the question with one breath of air.
Everyone, I seriously do not know what to do anymore. i cannot postpone this exam further. June is my date! My games are not great at all, my LR foundation is solid as heck, I can easily identify assumptions/flaws, but for some reason that is beyond me i cannot break past a 151!
someone out there please save me and please tell me what to do
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Okay, this thread got out of hand really quick.
I think YOU are the person who needs to take it down at least twelve notches. Wishing death upon people is not how we handle situations, especially not at 7Sage. Maybe you need to review our forum rules again.
All @visualcreed556 did was give you a little bit of tough love (I honestly don't see the fault in his post or what you could've taken offense to other than "This has to be a troll") and you think it warrants THAT kind of a reply? I'm giving you a week vacation from the forums. When you return, tone it down with both the verbal abuse and your use of caps. I've already emailed you a warning about that once.
@visualcreed556 Awesome. Glad to have you in the forum! Army?
@2543.hopkins I like to think of myself as a wannabe programmer but full time I'm in the military (privates meant to reference my soldiers although I probably get more arrogance from having to argue with officers), getting out in August thus Law School is calling.
@licknee10505 It's just a matter of 1) finding the gif you want 2) copying the URL and 3) using an HTML img tag (image tag). Just google HTML img tag :)
What line of work are you in, @visualcreed556 ?
@tomkinan311875.kinan.311 You're right, I apologize, I was out of line with that troll comment but I stand by the rest of what I was saying. It's obvious you need to rethink your plan..it's plain to see it's not working. I'm pretty sarcastic by nature and I admit I let it slip a bit, however, don't ignore what I said. You took a step in the right direction by looking for help, I still say you need to change your study habits and you need to postpone your June test and you need a pretty good score to get into a school you want.
I'm assuming by your remark that you're the reason why I sleep without worrying is because you're in the military, if so thanks for your service but don't think you're the reason for anything in my life, you're absolutely right I don't know you, at the same time do you know me? My arrogance comes from dealing with privates all day long...
I in no way want you to fail and I hope you succeed but you can't without realizing your failures and making necessary adjustments.
Someone teach me how to add gifs! PUH-LEEEEEZ lol
*I'm DONE studying... typo!
@jinadarcy0610262 Y E S. Picard is joining you in your spectatorship:
@2543.hopkins Nah. I'm done studying for the night so it's more like...
@2543 FTW!
@jinadarcy0610262 I believe I have just the gif you're looking for:
your turn :)
.. but in all seriousness, I think everyone is just trying to help. So let's all keep things civil.
Wha..?.. I have the perfect reaction gif for this thread. Lemme see if I can find it...
Are you in the military?
Hi everyone! QUICK update:
1.- First off, I'd like to thank EVERY single person that has commented on this discussion, you have all been really great (except for a selected few)
2.- To all the morons who are able to ONLY come up with negative, non-constructive, non-objective criticism- i really wish i could type what i really want you to do, but 7sage's nature, as well as its guidelines, are keeping my mouth shut. (i'll give you a hint; jump off a cliff with something in your rectum).
3. I've been taking all the advice from here, including signing up for 7sage. its been really helpful, but honestly, I just don't have the time to sit and re-do everything over from the start. i've been doing mainly the Fool-Proof Method for games (which has been helping tremendously), The Memory Retention for Reading Comp (Also, a huge help), and Watching/Reading all the explanations for the LR's. I also started doing Blind Review for every Preptest so far, and as promised to you all, I spent this past Saturday-Monday going back to fundamentals, hammering it in as much as humanly possible. I took my first PT since this change yesterday, Scored it, and Blind Reviewed it Today..
SO, I took everyone's advice, changed up the order of the LR's (did 1-12 first, then 20-25, then 13-20), Read a bit different on reading comp (Didn't TAG the passage as much, but did much more detailed reading and read several main key sentences twice), and for the Logic Games- 3 of the games had 5 questions.. first 2 games were easy, but once i looked at the 3rd game, i saw 5 questions AGAIN, i was like "what the hell? where the rest of the questions?" so i flipped to Game 4, and it was the HARDEST game I have seen in my life, with 8 questions on it. I immediately went for that one, and K-I-L-L-E-D it! (-2 on the game, but holy moly it was crazy).
RESULTS:
Initial Score: 151. Not happy about it at all. Breakdown:
Section 1/LG: -10 (Missed 4, couldn't make it to last game). Section2/LR: -12 (-8 from the questions attempted, guessed -4 and got them all wrong). Section3/LR: -10 (-6 from the questions attempted, guessed -4 and got them all wrong). Section 4/RC: -12 (Probably the hardest, most unreal Reading Comprehension Section i have EVER done)
Although I am not happy at all with the score, there is one specific thing im happy about.. THE BLIND REVIEW. Everyone, i got a 161 on the Blind Review!!!! that means i'm learning, i'm absorbing this stuff, and i'm recognizing the idiotic errors iv'e been making!!!!!!!!
Now, back to the drawing board... everyone, please continue to help me. You all have NO IDEA how big of a difference this discussion thread is making for me. KEEP GOING!!!!!!!!
big thanks to @jinadarcy0610262 , @tomkinan311875 , @2543 , @licknee10505 , @licknee10505 , @346 for everything. you are all angels.
@visualcreed556 - I can only pray to whoever is upstairs that someday, they may have mercy on your soul. You should never be an attorney; "sorry but had to give it to you rough" is not a disclaimer for being completely out of line; You have no idea who I am, and what iv'e gone through to even be alive right now. You should be thanking people like me, I am the reason you sleep in your bed at night with no care in the world. I am the reason you have the freedom to say whatever your arrogance allows you to say. I am the reason you and your family are still walking this land. Be respectful and know your place.
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My first 12 practice tests averaged 159. My last 3 jumped to 167, 166, 166 all with 169 if I had less than 3 more minutes. It took that many to really recognize the patterns of the answers and be able to blow thorough them. Don't waste them, but take as many as you can! Oh, and buy the course for sure, there is a schedule to get you through the materials before the test. You are already dedicating so much time, you should be able to get through. You will be great, I also have a low gpa and after 7 months of studying blew it with a 155 in Feb (that was when I had a 160 prep test average). I put my daughter in daycare in April and started focusing on studying. The first 167 I thought was a fluke, I had 1 165 before. The second, I thought, ok, maybe I've crossed over. The third I imputed my answers and got a 157. I thought, see it wasn't real. When I reviewed what I had done wrong I realized all of section 3 was wrong . I filled all of section 4 into the spaces for section 3 in the grader. I actually had a166. I'm really finally there. The course is amazing, but doing more tests with the course is what pushed me over the line. I hesitate to even give any advice because I hardly believe myself that one day I just jumped 7 points but I did. You will too. We are all rooting for you.
Why must June be the date of the LSAT? Are you applying for this upcoming cycle? I mean if you want your app & score sent early most schools are still early in the cycle to take your Oct. LSAT. Wouldn't you rather postpone your date and be at your target score instead? I wish I had someone tell me before that if I wasn't ready to take the LSAT and scoring my target score then to postpone. Nobody wants to take the LSAT more then once. It's not fun. Imagine having to put in all the work you've done up until now for a second time? Wouldn't you just want to prepare for it once and get it over with forever? That's why you have the option to postpone. Also, don't go into the LSAT with the mindset that if you do not do well your 1st time then you will just retake the next LSAT. Wouldn't you rather take the LSAT once and know that your prep will get you the score of 165+ because the avg. of your last 3 PTs is 165+? The price of taking the LSAT isn't cheap either.
I see that LG is not the easiest for you how have you been prepping for it? Do you watch 7Sage's videos on LG? Do you follow the fool proof method?
Do you blind review your PTs? Do you drill a particular set of questions that are giving you a hard time? How do you see improvement in your score? Are you currently enrolled in a 7Sage course?
I'd say if you're comfortable with your knowledge of fundamentals, after you take tests under timed conditions and thoroughly BR the entire test, watch the explanation videos for the LG and perhaps upgrade the course to get the explanations for PT 36+. The video explanations are GOLD and will definitely help improve your reasoning for each question. Since you may not be familiar with the 7Sage way of doing things, I recommend watching the explanation for every question. It sounds tedious but will be worth it in the long run. This might be the best of both worlds actually, you'd be getting the instruction of 7Sage without the time commitment of going through the entire course. At the very least I would go through the LGs again using the fool proof method but also watch all of the videos. For LG and RC maybe get 7Sage Basic and cover the question types that you're struggling the most with. The Trainer would help with that too. You don't have to go through everything, but a fresh perspective on your weaker question types might work wonders for you. Stick to 7Sage and the Trainer. The other prep materials solely deserve to be kindling or used to prop open a window on a breezy summer afternoon.
This doesn't sound right..
2.6 GPA, Quit $65k/year job, took a Blueprint course, studied full time for a great length of time, hired a private tutor, can't PT above 153, wants to get into a T20 school
This has to be a troll..
But if it's not, to be honest this doesn't sound like a very good situation. For one, June should be out of the question. Second that private tutor needs to be fired. Just take a deep breath and forget the past year and start over. Unless you have a very good story a 165 isn't going to get you into a top 20 school. You're going to need to get a 170+ IMO.
I don't mean to a offend but if all the facts are indeed true, something went horribly wrong with your plan. Stop and reassess before you continue. If you still want to continue with your LSAT/Law School plan, good for you, learn from whatever you did before by not doing the same thing people here I find have a lot of experience and are helpful. If you can somehow get your job back, do it. I work full time and study for the LSAT while I can. Having a job gives you the flexibility to postpone. Maybe you need some work experience and life experience to give your resume a boost to compensate for the low GPA and that will give you time to get a better score. Sorry for being a little harsh but it seems like you need someone to give it to you straight.
I was genuinely just curious. I found it beneficial to seek out a different perspective. Started with 7Sage which gave me 95% of my foundation and then used the LSAT Trainer and Manhattan prep to solidify everything. I still say you could benefit from reviewing via the basic 7Sage course ;)
If not, I'd still recommend looking for something new. Going through the same materials and expecting a different result seems a little silly, assuming you've already worked through the materials you mentioned. Just my opinion, of course.
brna0714:
I was planning on going through each question type, find its relation to formal logic argument and structure and how it is prevailed within the argument. Drill the life out of each one and carve into my brain how each and every correct and incorrect principles are shown in the answer choices.
do you have any recommendations to review fundamentals better? I also still have all the cambridge, blueprint, powerscore, and kaplan packets with all the information.
How do you plan to review fundamentals? Just curious!
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1. I'll be revisiting fundamentals this entire weekend. Everything will be completely gone over by sunday night.
2. on monday morning, 5/11/2015 - it will be exactly 27 Days left until the June 2015 LSAT. Tell me WHAT to do, HOW to do, and WHEN to do, and it will be done.
I know my capabilities.. I am definitely invested enough in this to make it happen in 27 days. I've done things that looked much less possible, because I literally have the eye of the tiger and a chip on my shoulder.
If A-N-Y of you help me make this happen by providing experience-rooted insight, you have yourself a person that if, for any reason, you need something in Los Angeles, it is considered DONE. I am widely known for my big heart and am highly praised for keeping my word. I just cant afford paying for any more tutoring sessions, and just by looking at the 7sage basic program, i know i don't have enough time.
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Try to reason with your parents to see whether an Oct is a possibility.
http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/jd-docs/testdateweb.pdf
It will be early enough in the month (Oct 3) that you might just get your score by the end of October if not the first week of November. Submitting around this time is considered EARLY! Some schools don't even start reviewing applicants until late November or even later.
This isn't directly LSAT-related, but where do you see yourself working after law school? When you say T20 I'm guessing you want to get into USC/UCLA. Unfortunately schools in California really love high GPAs so you'll probably need at least 170 for a shot.