I've 180'd a few PTs, and I think one of those may have been a true -0. This is the main thing:
@71888 said:
Honestly I think -0 is a combo of luck and skill- someone mentioned even JY got I think -1 or 2 over the whole test when he was taking PT 81.
It is absolutely a matter of skill, but at that level there is definitely a certain amount of probability that comes into play. I do doubt that anyone has ever taken an LSAT with 100% confidence on 100% of the questions. For anyone with the potential to 180 a test, I think it comes down to the hardest 5-10 questions or so. Everything else has to be a given. On those final questions, it's just a matter of maximizing your probability. I think for essentially every -0 180 that has ever happened, there were almost certainly a couple of 60% confidence questions that came through.
Yeah I totally agree - obviously i'm not even close to that but i have that impression
I've 180'd a few PTs, and I think one of those may have been a true -0. This is the main thing:
@71888 said:
Honestly I think -0 is a combo of luck and skill- someone mentioned even JY got I think -1 or 2 over the whole test when he was taking PT 81.
It is absolutely a matter of skill, but at that level there is definitely a certain amount of probability that comes into play. I do doubt that anyone has ever taken an LSAT with 100% confidence on 100% of the questions. For anyone with the potential to 180 a test, I think it comes down to the hardest 5-10 questions or so. Everything else has to be a given. On those final questions, it's just a matter of maximizing your probability. I think for essentially every -0 180 that has ever happened, there were almost certainly a couple of 60% confidence questions that came through.
There was a tutor who did 2 180s. I forget his name, however if I remember correctly the LSAC was suing him for falsifying his statement or something. I think he got 3 180s and 3 in the 170s range. Anyone remember his name?
@uhinberg359 Thanks Alex! That truly is a great goal score, and the proper mentality to approach the test with as to do that the fundamentals definitely has to be down, among other things. Just having that kinda work ethic towards the test can't do anything but yield you good returns if we're mature about it. Just a thought...
Absolutely. I've known of 4 people who have 180'd this test. The all used different study schedules and materials, but the one consistent was that they were ALL, and I mean ALL, aiming for a 180. There's just something about that mentality, you are correct.
There was a tutor who did 2 180s. I forget his name, however if I remember correctly the LSAC was suing him for falsifying his statement or something. I think he got 3 180s and 3 in the 170s range. Anyone remember his name?
Yeah, I did it last weekend! Then, I woke up and took the real thing. If I am being completely honest (which you always should be), I liked the dream test better.
@uhinberg359 Thanks Alex! That truly is a great goal score, and the proper mentality to approach the test with as to do that the fundamentals definitely has to be down, among other things. Just having that kinda work ethic towards the test can't do anything but yield you good returns if we're mature about it. Just a thought...
Oh definitely! I can't remember who, but some tutor had posted their score w/ proof that they indeed took an LSAT and missed 0 questions. It has been done! :)
Yeah, I did it last weekend! Then, I woke up and took the real thing. If I am being completely honest (which you always should be), I liked the dream test better.
I don't know if there is anyway to confirm that beyond doubt but I am sure It's likely that "someone" has in the past.
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@jhaldy10325 said:
I've 180'd a few PTs, and I think one of those may have been a true -0. This is the main thing:
@71888 said:
Honestly I think -0 is a combo of luck and skill- someone mentioned even JY got I think -1 or 2 over the whole test when he was taking PT 81.
It is absolutely a matter of skill, but at that level there is definitely a certain amount of probability that comes into play. I do doubt that anyone has ever taken an LSAT with 100% confidence on 100% of the questions. For anyone with the potential to 180 a test, I think it comes down to the hardest 5-10 questions or so. Everything else has to be a given. On those final questions, it's just a matter of maximizing your probability. I think for essentially every -0 180 that has ever happened, there were almost certainly a couple of 60% confidence questions that came through.
Yeah I totally agree - obviously i'm not even close to that but i have that impression
I've 180'd a few PTs, and I think one of those may have been a true -0. This is the main thing:
@71888 said:
Honestly I think -0 is a combo of luck and skill- someone mentioned even JY got I think -1 or 2 over the whole test when he was taking PT 81.
It is absolutely a matter of skill, but at that level there is definitely a certain amount of probability that comes into play. I do doubt that anyone has ever taken an LSAT with 100% confidence on 100% of the questions. For anyone with the potential to 180 a test, I think it comes down to the hardest 5-10 questions or so. Everything else has to be a given. On those final questions, it's just a matter of maximizing your probability. I think for essentially every -0 180 that has ever happened, there were almost certainly a couple of 60% confidence questions that came through.
there def are people who have gone -0 on the test
@paulwpederson403 said:
There was a tutor who did 2 180s. I forget his name, however if I remember correctly the LSAC was suing him for falsifying his statement or something. I think he got 3 180s and 3 in the 170s range. Anyone remember his name?
Dave Hall, from Velocity LSAT
@mahdirasouli9688 said:
@uhinberg359 Thanks Alex! That truly is a great goal score, and the proper mentality to approach the test with as to do that the fundamentals definitely has to be down, among other things. Just having that kinda work ethic towards the test can't do anything but yield you good returns if we're mature about it. Just a thought...
Absolutely. I've known of 4 people who have 180'd this test. The all used different study schedules and materials, but the one consistent was that they were ALL, and I mean ALL, aiming for a 180. There's just something about that mentality, you are correct.
There was a tutor who did 2 180s. I forget his name, however if I remember correctly the LSAC was suing him for falsifying his statement or something. I think he got 3 180s and 3 in the 170s range. Anyone remember his name?
Honestly I think -0 is a combo of luck and skill- someone mentioned even JY got I think -1 or 2 over the whole test when he was taking PT 81.
@danielmoshesieradzki129 said:
Yeah, I did it last weekend! Then, I woke up and took the real thing. If I am being completely honest (which you always should be), I liked the dream test better.
LOL!
@uhinberg359 Thanks Alex! That truly is a great goal score, and the proper mentality to approach the test with as to do that the fundamentals definitely has to be down, among other things. Just having that kinda work ethic towards the test can't do anything but yield you good returns if we're mature about it. Just a thought...
Oh definitely! I can't remember who, but some tutor had posted their score w/ proof that they indeed took an LSAT and missed 0 questions. It has been done! :)
@uhinberg359 Thanks.
@danielmoshesieradzki129 too funny!
Yeah, I did it last weekend! Then, I woke up and took the real thing. If I am being completely honest (which you always should be), I liked the dream test better.
I don't know if there is anyway to confirm that beyond doubt but I am sure It's likely that "someone" has in the past.