just want to get to the point where the right answer hits me like a bag of bricks or a sock with rocks in it. like there's no possible way they (LSAC writers) could come up with a more right answer. As soon as I get to that choice:
When I am learning a new language it helps to fully immerse myself in the ideas by practically applying to daily life, as in mentally labelling everything.
I've been applying the same concept to meta applications of Lawgic as quick daily mental exercises.
@DavidDuncan88 Your reasoning is outside the domain of the statement. The statement was about answers that you got wrong, i.e., selected an incorrect answer. If you select ANY answer, then you must have either selected the correct answer (also outside the domain) or an incorrect answer (inside the domain).
If you selected an incorrect answer, then you have committed at least one of the two errors outlined. You eliminated four answer choices, including the correct one, and selected an incorrect answer choice; or you convinced yourself an incorrect choice was correct on its own merits and moved on. Neither one implies that you did the other.
@DavidDuncan88 Counterpoint: the right answer choice is necessarily wrong--or at least, the credited response is necessarily not the 4 uncredited response.
You can get the answer right by guessing though.. these aren't the only two ways nor does it ever state so in the passage.
Also, a logical equivalent of the statements you gave would be:
get question correct→recognizing right answer AND eliminating four wrong answers, when "two paths" implies two different avenues of sufficiency. The conditionals in the lesson are correct.
a conditional's sufficient is not the same necessary
A way to think of this concept is:
I grabbed a glass of milk, so I had to open the fridge.
M→F
which is equivalent to the contrapositive:
I did not open the fridge, therefore I did not get a glass of milk.
Thanks, ProspectiveLawStudent2024, that's helpful! I understand that guessing is an option. But technically speaking, doesn't 'either' mean that these are the only two ways to get to the correct answer? so then it would be 'if you get the correct answer, you recognized the right answer OR you eliminated the four wrong answers'?
While either does often mean "only," he's referring specifically to the methods you will want to use to get the right answer. It remains true that "if you get the correct answer, you recognized the right answer OR you eliminated the four wrong answers OR you just guessed."
Since the first two methods are the only way to guarantee you are correct, they are not the only ways to be correct.
Another way to say it is "If you got the question wrong, it is always true that you did not 1. recognize the right answer AND 2. you did not eliminate the four wrong answers." In this scenario, it may still be true that you guessed.
Recognizing the right answer is sufficient to get the question right
Recog→Correct
Eliminating the four wrong answers is sufficient to get the question right.
Elim4→Correct
Recog OR Elim4→Correct
Recog AND Elim4→Correct
Recog and /Elim4→Correct
/Recog and Elim4→Correct
Guessing is unreliable in getting the answer correct, but sometimes it works.
Guess←s→Correct
Guess←s→/Correct
Guess ←s→ Correct or /Correct
Guessing is not always correct. An answer gained by either recognizing the right answer or eliminating all 4 wrong answers is always correct.
"recognize correct answer,-----> get question right" i think the necessary assumption here is that you SELECT the answer you recognize as correct. but this isnt always the case. LSAT questions have a sneaky way of introducing incredulity into ones own tuitions via clever trap answers.
"eliminate 4 answers ------> get question correct" same thing here.
Recognize correct answer OR process of elimination → Get answer correct
/Get answer correct → /Recognize correct answer AND /process of elimination
If we don't get the answer correct, that means we didn't recognize the correct answer by itself AND we didn't arrive at the correct answer through the process of eliminating the 4 incorrect answers.
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just want to get to the point where the right answer hits me like a bag of bricks or a sock with rocks in it. like there's no possible way they (LSAC writers) could come up with a more right answer. As soon as I get to that choice:
When I am learning a new language it helps to fully immerse myself in the ideas by practically applying to daily life, as in mentally labelling everything.
I've been applying the same concept to meta applications of Lawgic as quick daily mental exercises.
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@DavidDuncan88 I love this so much
@DavidDuncan88 Your reasoning is outside the domain of the statement. The statement was about answers that you got wrong, i.e., selected an incorrect answer. If you select ANY answer, then you must have either selected the correct answer (also outside the domain) or an incorrect answer (inside the domain).
If you selected an incorrect answer, then you have committed at least one of the two errors outlined. You eliminated four answer choices, including the correct one, and selected an incorrect answer choice; or you convinced yourself an incorrect choice was correct on its own merits and moved on. Neither one implies that you did the other.
Eliminating 5 answers and/or skipping isn't addressed here.
@DavidDuncan88 Counterpoint: the right answer choice is necessarily wrong--or at least, the credited response is necessarily not the 4 uncredited response.
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wait but shouldn't it be:
get question correct--> recognize right answer
get question correct--> eliminate four wrong answers
because these statements imply that these are the ONLY two paths to getting the question correct.
You can get the answer right by guessing though.. these aren't the only two ways nor does it ever state so in the passage.
Also, a logical equivalent of the statements you gave would be:
get question correct→recognizing right answer AND eliminating four wrong answers, when "two paths" implies two different avenues of sufficiency. The conditionals in the lesson are correct.
a conditional's sufficient is not the same necessary
A way to think of this concept is:
I grabbed a glass of milk, so I had to open the fridge.
M→F
which is equivalent to the contrapositive:
I did not open the fridge, therefore I did not get a glass of milk.
F→MHope this helps!
I think you mean THE ONLY two paths. That's a group 1 indicator, not group 2 like the other onlys. So, they would go on the left, after all.
Thanks, ProspectiveLawStudent2024, that's helpful! I understand that guessing is an option. But technically speaking, doesn't 'either' mean that these are the only two ways to get to the correct answer? so then it would be 'if you get the correct answer, you recognized the right answer OR you eliminated the four wrong answers'?
While either does often mean "only," he's referring specifically to the methods you will want to use to get the right answer. It remains true that "if you get the correct answer, you recognized the right answer OR you eliminated the four wrong answers OR you just guessed."
Since the first two methods are the only way to guarantee you are correct, they are not the only ways to be correct.
Another way to say it is "If you got the question wrong, it is always true that you did not 1. recognize the right answer AND 2. you did not eliminate the four wrong answers." In this scenario, it may still be true that you guessed.
Recognizing the right answer is sufficient to get the question right
Recog→Correct
Eliminating the four wrong answers is sufficient to get the question right.
Elim4→Correct
Recog OR Elim4→Correct
Recog AND Elim4→Correct
Recog and /Elim4→Correct
/Recog and Elim4→Correct
Guessing is unreliable in getting the answer correct, but sometimes it works.
Guess←s→Correct
Guess←s→/Correct
Guess ←s→ Correct or /Correct
Guessing is not always correct. An answer gained by either recognizing the right answer or eliminating all 4 wrong answers is always correct.
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How bout you just take the test for me. lol
This made me lol
ok he kinda chewed with this
why did he kinda eat us up
you’re so silly
"recognize correct answer,-----> get question right" i think the necessary assumption here is that you SELECT the answer you recognize as correct. but this isnt always the case. LSAT questions have a sneaky way of introducing incredulity into ones own tuitions via clever trap answers.
"eliminate 4 answers ------> get question correct" same thing here.
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Preach out ma man
Now the million dollar question is: Which is the path of least resistance?? suspenseful music plays in the background
Recognize correct answer OR process of elimination → Get answer correct
/Get answer correct → /Recognize correct answer AND /process of elimination
If we don't get the answer correct, that means we didn't recognize the correct answer by itself AND we didn't arrive at the correct answer through the process of eliminating the 4 incorrect answers.
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Such a good example to help put the concept of why Morgan's law makes sense into perspective... its stuff like this that makes me not hate studying.
recognize correct answer OR eliminate 4 incorrect answer choices → Get question correct
Contrapositive:
Get question wrong → Failed to recognize correct answer AND failed to eliminate 4 incorrect answer choices
A sermon worth listening to
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lightbulb moment