Obviously no one only uses one resource for information about law school. 7Sage is a great resource and there are many others. I just want to warn 7Sagers of a potential issue with another LSAT/Law school website!
According to Reddit, TLS is undergoing a bit of drama and change. I don't really care about the drama, or know what is going on, but want to make sure people don't fall pray to misinformation. From what I've read there is a lot of bad information being passed around right now, so be careful!
It's a good reminder to always be careful what you read on the internet! Fact check, triple check, find multiple sources! This is good advice for anything!
Edit: more info I found,
https://www.reddit.com/r/LawSchool/comments/7uax5l/what_is_going_on_with_tlslawschoollife/
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I've never really liked TLS to begin with. The name kind of says it all. The people on there always sounded so pretentious, rude, and downright mean, like they took joy from putting people down for not having a 175 score. I prefer 7Sage and Reddit.
Good enough for me. Thanks @alexspecter1014614 !
Thread is locked.
I'd actually post more here but I'd feel icky about it because 7Sage has an admissions side, so just doesn't seem right to me. There are rare times I feel like it's a win win or will happen to notice people are asking me questions but apologies for not being here more. I hope the above makes sense.
I'd say more about TLS but it now disgusts me so nothing more needs to be said.
@katieshuter1737 said:
@uhinberg359 said:
@jhaldy10325 said:
@uhinberg359 they were there! Haha I’m not the only one who saw em!
And I can deff agree with the bias they had lol
As for the T-15 thing, idc if they make fun of me. The problem was I was asking a serious question, and instead of answering, they all exploded about T-15 not existing. What help is that? Haha
Dude, I'm literally cracking up thinking about that. That's the most TLS thing I've ever heard. https://media.giphy.com/media/TUtr2Ky56D4Zy/giphy.gif
"Hey do you think my numbers will preclude me from the T15?"
TLSers: "There's no such thing as the T15, it's T13 now you idiot!"
Yeah... I can kind of see that happening now. Thinking back on it, TLS was full of a lot of sick people. I'm glad it's gone...
I was reading up on an old thread on TLS from a girl expressing her concern over her boyfriend's mental health while he was studying for the LSAT. Asked questions about burnout, etc. There were a couple of nice responses from TLS members about how they dealt with the LSAT & their mental health, but a lot of them were like "what a flamer, dump him" and "if he gets this depressed over an exam then maybe he should just give up on life" etc etc...
I've also mentioned on 7Sage before that I got made fun of on TLS for saying 'my lsat' instead of 'the lsat' lmao
A few good people on there, a lot of not-so-great people either.
Hey @katieshuter1737,
That sounds a bit harsh even for TLS lol. Is that a direct quote or a paraphrase? If they did say that though, that's really terrible and those users are clearly what gives TLS a bad name. :(
Update: I found the thread and no one said anything about them giving up on life. One person (not a lot of them) did note that it may be a "flame" or a troll, however. There were pages upon pages of support and helpful advice. The few people who decided to be jerks were excoriated immediately. So it sounds like you had it backwards and the overwhelming majority of the responses were kind and thoughtful, and only a few were negative ones. The thread was also from nine years ago.
Also, I'm sorry people on TLS made fun of you for saying "LSATs" instead of "LSAT." I agree that making fun of people for such a ridiculous reason is annoying. There was always a lot of pointless correcting of people on TLS over law school lexicon and minutiae. Even so, sounds more annoying than anything. Next time you run into jerks like that, just ignore them :smile:
I guess the ironic thing to me is that if you go look on TLS, you don't see anyone talking bad about 7Sage's community; quite the opposite. TLS is a big, big supporter of 7Sage. And from my experience, most people are helpful and kind. Only a small minority are as bad as people suggest.
Then you look at this thread and there's a bunch of people making unfounded, negative claims about the folks over on TLS's forum. Many of which are people like myself who belong to both communities.
I expect more from my fellow 7Sagers than to make such generalizations about a small minority of people. If you replace that minority of "TLSers" with any other minority of people (black, white, Californians, New Yorkers, etc.) you see how hurtful it can be to judge a whole group of people by the worst of their minority. We should strive to set an example and act in accordance with our own values and principles of being kind and supportive. Cheering on another community's downfall or making light of it isn't a kind thing to do, either. I love this community and all of you, so I hold you guys to higher standards. :heart:
... And I'm going to leave it at that. If anyone wants to talk TLS and reminisce, shoot me a PM :sunglasses:
I actually really liked TLS and I'm saddened by the recent events. Although I am happy that LawSchoolLife will take its place!
I think TLS took a very realistic and grounded approach (too real for some apparently haha!) to the idea of law school/admission/debt. I think it provided an important service in that way. Simply put, sometimes people hate to hear the truth. But they were important truths to hear nonetheless.
Who are all these awful, mean, condescending people on TLS? I'm genuinely curious how after all these years I've largely missed them. (Lucky me, I guess?) I've literally never seen someone tell another user to give up. Much to the contrary, I've seen a lot of encouragement to retake. "Retake" is basically the unofficial motto of TLS.
My theory is that many TLSers are stuck operating in perpetual state of cognitive dissonance/confirmation bias whereby anyone who says anything other than what they want to hear or already think is the case is seen as one of these terrible people.
Idk. I'm a grown man and I just don't let people make me feel bad on the internet for using T15 instead of T13 or whatever lol. :bawling: ETA: that is hilarious though. I never said TLSers weren't neurotic ha!
@uhinberg359 yeah maybe! But if I woulda listened to the advice I got there the first time I visited I wouldn’t have a 171 :) was told to give up, and that huge improvement was impossible for me.
Was also made fun of because I said T-15 instead of T-14.
Just sorta depends on what you read I guess.
Apparently there has been a change in ownership. The new owner has history of racist/sexist comments. Also they have been deleting past mods and banning users who post the new forum that TLSers moved too. If you post the link, the link will redirect to the top law schools site. Its a script war.
@jacksonmike046527 said:
First of all, you can fit in by being genuine and helpful; you don’t have to “fit in” by badmouthing your own community, unless you think that is something 7sage would want to hear, which I’m not sure why you think that would be the case.
I did not put words in your mouth, I quoted you, and I did not quote you out of context. You can play with syntax and the subtleties between “negative people” and “negative replies” here all you want, but the fact is that pretty much most people, if not all, reading that comment will not make the distinction you are currently articulating, and you know it. And most people, if not all, would think negatively of TLS as a whole (I know I did, and everyone I know of who read that comment feels the exact same way), by reading that comment, and you know it, which is against what you are saying here about “characterizing the entirety of TLS”.
Again, I have nothing against you as a person, only issues with this type of behavior.
I think I have been genuine and helpful. I don't appreciate you attributing motives to me which I do not have. I didn't bad mouth TLS, I just made an observation. One I stand behind to this day. I also don't think the difference between people and posts are a matter of mere syntax and subtlety. You can go back to several other posts in this same thread where I've conceded that TLS wasn't perfect. But I think it's patently absurd to make generalizations claiming that TLS as a whole was a majority of terrible people. My issue here is about painting a community of people in a negative light. I've made negative posts on TLS. Almost all active users have. But I didn't appreciate the negative generalizations of the community as a whole.
Most people reading that may have thought I was equating the two. I'm here to tell you I wasn't. Then again, most people also have lives and don't go through my posts from almost two years ago. Which brings me to another point entirely. The post was from August 2016. People change. Views change. TLS changed. I know I have...
First of all, you can fit in by being genuine and helpful; you don’t have to “fit in” by badmouthing your own community, unless you think that is something 7sage would want to hear, which I’m not sure why you think that would be the case.
I did not put words in your mouth, I quoted you, and I did not quote you out of context. You can play with syntax and the subtleties between “negative people” and “negative replies” here all you want, but the fact is that pretty much most people, if not all, reading that comment will not make the distinction you are currently articulating, and you know it. And most people, if not all, would think negatively of TLS as a whole (I know I did, and everyone I know of who read that comment feels the exact same way), by reading that comment, and you know it, which is against what you are saying here about “characterizing the entirety of TLS”.
Again, I have nothing against you as a person, only issues with this type of behavior.
Here's an example. I clicked around just a couple of threads and found:
"If you’ve studied 15-20 hrs/mo for 5 months and are still below 150 then my advice is to either A) take the GRE instead, or B ) adjust your goals."
Sure you could make a case that this person is being honest. But is it really helpful? And yes, it is basically telling someone to give up.
My beef was the same as @jhaldy10325, I wasn't personally offended I just thought a lot of folks were unnecessarily rude and often ended up not even answering someone's question. Not everyone was like that, but more than I had the patience for.
Holy sheeburgs.
I only rarely visited TLS, but some of the posts were chock full of good information that's hard to find anywhere else. So sad that we're losing that resource.
And, well... there's a difference between telling the truth and being a condescending ass. It's possible to be real and grounded, and also polite. Not everyone on TLS was awful, but the ones who were really made an Olympic sport of it. It was so unnecessary most of the time. Yuck.
But, still a huge shame to lose some of the resources on TLS. What a terrible way to go out.
@alexspecter1014614 said: people are just generally oversensitive when they're presented with honest advice.
@alexspecter1014614 said:
You'd be hard pressed to find all these terrible, elitist, rude people. They simply don't exist.
@alexspecter1014614 said:
Who are all these awful, mean, condescending people on TLS? I'm genuinely curious how after all these years I've largely missed them. (Lucky me, I guess?)
@alexspecter1014614 said: Thanks Mr. Pacifico! I appreciate all the help I get on here. I come from TLS where often replies are negative and nasty under the guise of being "honest". Honesty is important, but around here you can get honesty kindly. :) >
You can say one or another, but you can't say both without it being the textbook version of "hypocritical". It does nothing but make yourself look good. On one hand, you said people are just super sensitive and can't handle honesty, yet on the other, you said the replies on TLS are just nasty under the disguise of "honesty". So which one is it? On the one hand you questioned who these negative people on TLS are, and stated you must have missed them all these years, or they simply don't exist, but on the other, you quoted their replies as negative and nasty, so which one is it? You're saying different things to different people at different times. When you were trying to fit in at 7sage, you talked shit about TLS, but now you're in, you give this MLK "mic dropping" speech to make yourself look good. I've got nothing against you, but I do have something against these kind of actions. This type of behavior needs to be called out. I know this post will be removed and I'll probably get banned by 7sage for telling the truth by calling you out, but I've got to do the right thing. It's actually a good thing for the 7sage forum.
If anyone wants to verify, feel free to go to his first post under profile ("How would the Sages recommend I incorporate The LSAT Trainer?") and check it out for yourself before it gets edited away.
We really have to thank @jy-ping.Y.
@uhinberg359 said:
@katieshuter1737 said:
@uhinberg359 said:
@jhaldy10325 said:
@uhinberg359 they were there! Haha I’m not the only one who saw em!
And I can deff agree with the bias they had lol
As for the T-15 thing, idc if they make fun of me. The problem was I was asking a serious question, and instead of answering, they all exploded about T-15 not existing. What help is that? Haha
Dude, I'm literally cracking up thinking about that. That's the most TLS thing I've ever heard. https://media.giphy.com/media/TUtr2Ky56D4Zy/giphy.gif
"Hey do you think my numbers will preclude me from the T15?"
TLSers: "There's no such thing as the T15, it's T13 now you idiot!"
Yeah... I can kind of see that happening now. Thinking back on it, TLS was full of a lot of sick people. I'm glad it's gone...
I was reading up on an old thread on TLS from a girl expressing her concern over her boyfriend's mental health while he was studying for the LSAT. Asked questions about burnout, etc. There were a couple of nice responses from TLS members about how they dealt with the LSAT & their mental health, but a lot of them were like "what a flamer, dump him" and "if he gets this depressed over an exam then maybe he should just give up on life" etc etc...
I've also mentioned on 7Sage before that I got made fun of on TLS for saying 'my lsat' instead of 'the lsat' lmao
A few good people on there, a lot of not-so-great people either.
Hey @katieshuter1737,
That sounds a bit harsh even for TLS lol. Is that a direct quote or a paraphrase? If they did say that though, that's really terrible and those users are clearly what gives TLS a bad name. :(
Update: I found the thread and no one said anything about them giving up on life. One person (not a lot of them) did note that it may be a "flame" or a troll, however. There were pages upon pages of support and helpful advice. The few people who decided to be jerks were excoriated immediately. So it sounds like you had it backwards and there were 99% kind, thoughtful responses and only a few negative ones. The thread was also from nine years ago...
Also, I'm sorry people on TLS made fun of you for saying "LSATs" instead of "LSAT." I agree that making fun of people for such a ridiculous reason is annoying. There was always a lot of pointless correcting of people on TLS over law school lexicon and minutiae. Even so, sounds more annoying than anything. Next time you run into jerks like that, just ignore them :smile:
I guess the ironic thing to me is that if you go look on TLS, you don't see anyone talking bad about 7Sage's community; quite the opposite. TLS is a big, big supporter of 7Sage. And from my experience, most people are helpful and kind. Only a small minority are as bad as people suggest.
Then you look at this thread and there's a bunch of people making unfounded, negative claims about the folks over on TLS's forum. Many of which are people like me who belong to both communities.
I expect more from my fellow 7Sagers than to make such generalizations about a small minority of people. If you replace that minority of "TLSers" with any other minority of people (black, white, Californians, New Yorkers, etc.) you see how hurtful it can be to judge a whole group of people by the worst of their minority. We should strive to set an example and act in accordance with our own values and principles of being kind and supportive. Cheering on another community's downfall or making light of it isn't a kind thing to do. I love this community and all of you, so I hold you guys to higher standards. :heart:
... And I'm going to leave it at that. If anyone wants to talk TLS and reminisce, shoot me a PM :sunglasses:
@uhinberg359 with the super-cool mic drop!
@jy-ping said:
I think a lot of the TLS=boogeyman stuff is rooted in miscommunication. Though, if someone is a prick for no reason, a simple solution to that problem is to stop reading their posts.
Take in the good, skim over the bad.
TLS needs to be reorganized a bit, anyways. I'm sure the new website will be better.
Yeah I agree. It's a meme, plain and simple. You'd be hard pressed to find all these terrible, elitist, rude people. They simply don't exist. Are there a few examples every now and again of people being awful? Of course. But how that has come to characterize the entire forum is beyond me. Again, I think people are just generally oversensitive when they're presented with honest advice.
I agree 100% that it needed to be reorganized. LSL is already shaping up nicely!
It seems like 7Sage is far and away the best forum for all things LSAT related things. So as long as we have our wonderful community here, I'll be happy :)
@jhaldy10325 said:
@uhinberg359 they were there! Haha I’m not the only one who saw em!
And I can deff agree with the bias they had lol
As for the T-15 thing, idc if they make fun of me. The problem was I was asking a serious question, and instead of answering, they all exploded about T-15 not existing. What help is that? Haha
Dude, I'm literally cracking up thinking about that. That's the most TLS thing I've ever heard. https://media.giphy.com/media/TUtr2Ky56D4Zy/giphy.gif
"Hey do you think my numbers will preclude me from the T15?"
TLSers: "There's no such thing as the T15, it's T13 now you idiot!"
Yeah... I can kind of see that happening now. Thinking back on it, TLS was full of a lot of sick people.
I can’t say I’m surprised....they have always been the worst....
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/897/363/8c8.gif
@zil020511522 said:
I've never really liked TLS to begin with. The name kind of says it all. The people on there always sounded so pretentious, rude, and downright mean, like they took joy from putting people down for not having a 175 score. I prefer 7Sage and Reddit.
I didn't use it either for the same reasons!
A dumpster fire. Lmao
@jacksonmike046527 said:
@alexspecter1014614 said: people are just generally oversensitive when they're presented with honest advice.
@alexspecter1014614 said:
You'd be hard pressed to find all these terrible, elitist, rude people. They simply don't exist.
@alexspecter1014614 said:
Who are all these awful, mean, condescending people on TLS? I'm genuinely curious how after all these years I've largely missed them. (Lucky me, I guess?)
@alexspecter1014614 said: Thanks Mr. Pacifico! I appreciate all the help I get on here. I come from TLS where often replies are negative and nasty under the guise of being "honest". Honesty is important, but around here you can get honesty kindly. :)>
You can say one or another, but you can't say both without it being the textbook version of "hypocritical". It does nothing but make yourself look good. On one hand, you said people are just super sensitive and can't handle honesty, yet on the other, you said the replies on TLS are just nasty under the disguise of "honesty". So which one is it? On the one hand you questioned who these negative people on TLS are, and stated you must have missed them all these years, or they simply don't exist, but on the other, you quoted their replies as negative and nasty, so which one is it? You're saying different things to different people at different times. When you were trying to fit in at 7sage, you talked shit about TLS, but now you're in, you give this MLK "mic dropping" speech to make yourself look good. I've got nothing against you, but I do have something against these kind of actions. This type of behavior needs to be called out. I know this post will be removed and I'll probably get banned by 7sage for telling the truth by calling you out, but I've got to do the right thing. It's actually a good thing for the 7sage forum.
If anyone wants to verify, feel free to go to his first post under profile ("How would the Sages recommend I incorporate The LSAT Trainer?") and check it out for yourself before it gets edited away.
When I wrote the original post, I think I was probably trying to fit in. Who wants to be persona non grata? I definitely think that's part of why it sounds so hypocritical reading it now.
There are often nasty/negative replies on TLS under the guise of being honest - I've never disputed that. What I do disagree with is saying that TLS was made up of a majority of awful, terrible, rude, elitist people. There's a difference, and I think that distinction is important. I've also said numerous times (not just on this thread) that of course there are examples of terrible people on there. I just think the people who leave many of those comments are extremely rare. Again, my issue is with characterizing the entirety of TLS that way.
For the record, I also do prefer 7Sage's approach of getting that same honest advice kindly. The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive. It's why I came here originally and why I've stuck around. It's why I left TLS and supported the creation of lawschoollife and am part of the inclusion/diversity board to make it a kinder and more inclusive place.
Man, that’d be really upsetting if I were a TLS guy. I’d be devastated if that happened here, so sorry to all y’all that used it on the reg and lost meaningful content and contacts. I wonder how much dude payed for it. Sounds like they’ve thoroughly mucked up a good resource and what had likely been a good investment.
I realize that sometimes TLS's advice like RETAKE RETAKE RETAKE may seem hyperbolic, but it's coming from a genuine concern about the future of prospective lawyers. All too often, I hear more stories about what if i retook and got a higher score, and people end up living in regret. In the worst case scenario, if you don't make a measurable improvement after retaking with the proper tools, at least you won't live with regret and in the process, you developed a diligence and dedication to the process that will serve you well in law school and throughout your legal career. TLS gives advice that noone wants to hear but probably should hear. Also, alot of them actually aren't T14 or bust. They believe that going to a T1 or T2 school with money and to your preferred geographical location can work as well.
@uhinberg359 said:
@jhaldy10325 said:
@uhinberg359 they were there! Haha I’m not the only one who saw em!
And I can deff agree with the bias they had lol
As for the T-15 thing, idc if they make fun of me. The problem was I was asking a serious question, and instead of answering, they all exploded about T-15 not existing. What help is that? Haha
Dude, I'm literally cracking up thinking about that. That's the most TLS thing I've ever heard. https://media.giphy.com/media/TUtr2Ky56D4Zy/giphy.gif
"Hey do you think my numbers will preclude me from the T15?"
TLSers: "There's no such thing as the T15, it's T13 now you idiot!"
Yeah... I can kind of see that happening now. Thinking back on it, TLS was full of a lot of sick people. I'm glad it's gone...
I was reading up on an old thread on TLS from a girl expressing her concern over her boyfriend's mental health while he was studying for the LSAT. Asked questions about burnout, etc. There were a couple of nice responses from TLS members about how they dealt with the LSAT & their mental health, but a lot of them were like "what a flamer, dump him" and "if he gets this depressed over an exam then maybe he should just give up on life" etc etc...
I've also mentioned on 7Sage before that I got made fun of on TLS for saying 'my lsat' instead of 'the lsat' lmao
A few good people on there, a lot of not-so-great people either.
@leahbeuk911 said:
Here's an example. I clicked around just a couple of threads and found:
"If you’ve studied 15-20 hrs/mo for 5 months and are still below 150 then my advice is to either A) take the GRE instead, or B ) adjust your goals."
Sure you could make a case that this person is being honest. But is it really helpful? And yes, it is basically telling someone to give up.
My beef was the same as @jhaldy10325, I wasn't personally offended I just thought a lot of folks were unnecessarily rude and often ended up not even answering someone's question. Not everyone was like that, but more than I had the patience for.
How is that advice unnecessarily rude? It's telling them to adjust their goals or take another route. I do think it's helpful. I think I would somewhat agree with the advice that if someone has been studying for 3-5 months, still below a 150, and wants to score a 170 on the next LSAT administration, I think readjusting their goal (whether that be test date/score) is exactly what needs to happen. And I honestly don't see how saying so is at all negative.
I actually commented a bunch on that exact thread (Barack O'Drama) and all the advice seems super helpful. Perhaps I'm missing something?
@jhaldy10325 said:
@7sagestudentservices said:
Oh my lord what have they done...
Looks like it's war....
https://media.giphy.com/media/10KrFxFrBA3ynu/giphy.gif
Literally watching Civil War right now hahaha
Also thank you for the heads up!! I don't frequent enough to have known what's going on, super good to know to stay far far away.