A complex argument includes single claims that both give and receive support.
It's an argument that runs on.
Now you don't just have a premise(s) and 1 conclusion but an additional conclusion birthed from the first.
EX:
in a complex argument you have
premise(s) a - conclusion a
premise ab and conclusion b
premise ab - is a sub-conclusion (or intermediate conclusion or major premise) a claim that receives and gives support to another claim. this is both conclusion and premise.
Congratulations, your argument just had a baby!! Its name is Sub-conclusion.
I think I got it, and I learned that you can sometime split a sentence to parse out more premises or conclusions. Here's my example:
Research shows that employees who receive regular feedback are more likely to improve their performance. Improved employee performance generally leads to higher overall team productivity. Since Meridian Solutions recently implemented a system of regular performance feedback, the company’s teams are likely to become more productive. Because higher team productivity allows firms to compete more effectively in crowded markets, Meridian Solutions is better positioned than its competitors.
Premises:
- Research shows that employees who receive regular feedback are more likely to improve their performance.
- Improved employee performance generally leads to higher overall team productivity.
- Meridian Solutions recently implemented a system of regular performance feedback
- higher team productivity allows firms to compete more effectively in crowded markets
Sub Conclusion: - the company’s teams are likely to become more productive
Main Conclusion: - Meridian Solutions is better positioned than its competitors.
hi! does anyone have any tips on identifying the major premises and conclusions? i understand the relationships, just not the order of importance. thanks!
All front row volleyball players are tall. Harper Murray is a front row volleyball player. Therefore, Harper is tall. All front row volleyball players block at the net. Thus, Harper must also block at the net.
all guinea pigs are fast. Mr. Chuckles is a guinea pig. Therefore, Mr. Chuckles is fast. All fast guinea pigs are very hungry. Therefore Mr.Chuckles is very hungry
if we remove the sub conclusion (3. Fluffers is adorable). is the conclusion still supported and strong? if yes then is this the case with every complex argument that you can remove the sub conclusion and it would still make sense?
Complex argument: I am six feet tall. All six foot people play basketball. Therefore I play basketball. All basketball players besides Michael Jordan are worse than Michael Jordan. Therefore, I am worse than Michael Jordan.
Minor premises: I am six feet tall; all six foot tall people play basketball
Major premise/sub conclusion: all basketball players besides MJ are worse than MJ.
Main conclusion: Therefore, I am worse at playing basketball than MJ.
Complex argument: all toddlers are moody. Mori is a toddler. Therefore Mori is moody. Moody toddlers need a nap. Therefore, when Mori gets moody, she needs a nap.
complex argument: Felines are happy. A orange cat is a type of feline. Therefore, a orange cat is happy. Happy felines sleep a lot. Therefore my orange cat sleeps a lot when it is happy.
All coffees are tasty. A hazelnut cappuccino is a type of coffee. Therefore a Hazelnut cappuccino is tasty. Tasty coffees raise the moods of people when consumed. Therefore, my mood was raised when I consumed the hazelnut cappuccino.
All donuts are delicious. Chocochunk is a type of donut. Therefore , chocochunk is delicious. Delicious things make me happy. Chocochunk makes me happy.
Wait so one DOES need watch the video and do the reading? Asking because I just did the reading, grasped the concept and then in the next section I'm seeing terms like minor premise being used and I would't have come across that term and understanding without going back to this section and watching the video? Very confusing and now I'm not sure how to proceed even when the write makes sense. I thought video and write ups were the same thing but now it seems like like more info can be shared in the video then just the write up :/
P - The coach for the Dallas Giants is undefeated.
SC - The Dallas Giants have a great coach.
P - The Dallas Giants have won the Super Bowl.
MC - The Dallas Giants are the greatest football team this year!
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A complex argument includes single claims that both give and receive support.
It's an argument that runs on.
Now you don't just have a premise(s) and 1 conclusion but an additional conclusion birthed from the first.
EX:
in a complex argument you have
premise(s) a - conclusion a
premise ab and conclusion b
premise ab - is a sub-conclusion (or intermediate conclusion or major premise) a claim that receives and gives support to another claim. this is both conclusion and premise.
Congratulations, your argument just had a baby!! Its name is Sub-conclusion.
I think I got it, and I learned that you can sometime split a sentence to parse out more premises or conclusions. Here's my example:
Research shows that employees who receive regular feedback are more likely to improve their performance. Improved employee performance generally leads to higher overall team productivity. Since Meridian Solutions recently implemented a system of regular performance feedback, the company’s teams are likely to become more productive. Because higher team productivity allows firms to compete more effectively in crowded markets, Meridian Solutions is better positioned than its competitors.
Premises:
- Research shows that employees who receive regular feedback are more likely to improve their performance.
- Improved employee performance generally leads to higher overall team productivity.
- Meridian Solutions recently implemented a system of regular performance feedback
- higher team productivity allows firms to compete more effectively in crowded markets
Sub Conclusion: - the company’s teams are likely to become more productive
Main Conclusion: - Meridian Solutions is better positioned than its competitors.
just how someone can be a mother and daughter at same time
a claim can be a premise and conclusion at the same time
the person is a mother or child depending on who she is standing in relation to
same is true in arguments
hi! does anyone have any tips on identifying the major premises and conclusions? i understand the relationships, just not the order of importance. thanks!
All cats like attention.
Mister Ooshie is a cat.
Therefore, Mister Ooshie likes attention.
Cats meow to get attention.
Therefore, Mister Ooshie meows.
yes... Mister Ooshie is in fact my cat
All front row volleyball players are tall. Harper Murray is a front row volleyball player. Therefore, Harper is tall. All front row volleyball players block at the net. Thus, Harper must also block at the net.
All people sleep.
Kate is a person.
Kate sleeps.
All people who sleep get tired.
Kate gets tired.
all guinea pigs are fast. Mr. Chuckles is a guinea pig. Therefore, Mr. Chuckles is fast. All fast guinea pigs are very hungry. Therefore Mr.Chuckles is very hungry
she is mother 💅
if we remove the sub conclusion (3. Fluffers is adorable). is the conclusion still supported and strong? if yes then is this the case with every complex argument that you can remove the sub conclusion and it would still make sense?
All men are cheaters.
Jack is a man.
Therefore, all Jack is a cheater.
All cheaters are liars.
Jack is a liar.
Sorry men, I don't mean to attack you lol. Just trying to come up with a good example.
Complex argument: I am six feet tall. All six foot people play basketball. Therefore I play basketball. All basketball players besides Michael Jordan are worse than Michael Jordan. Therefore, I am worse than Michael Jordan.
Minor premises: I am six feet tall; all six foot tall people play basketball
Major premise/sub conclusion: all basketball players besides MJ are worse than MJ.
Main conclusion: Therefore, I am worse at playing basketball than MJ.
Complex argument: all toddlers are moody. Mori is a toddler. Therefore Mori is moody. Moody toddlers need a nap. Therefore, when Mori gets moody, she needs a nap.
complex argument: Felines are happy. A orange cat is a type of feline. Therefore, a orange cat is happy. Happy felines sleep a lot. Therefore my orange cat sleeps a lot when it is happy.
All coffees are tasty. A hazelnut cappuccino is a type of coffee. Therefore a Hazelnut cappuccino is tasty. Tasty coffees raise the moods of people when consumed. Therefore, my mood was raised when I consumed the hazelnut cappuccino.
All donuts are delicious. Chocochunk is a type of donut. Therefore , chocochunk is delicious. Delicious things make me happy. Chocochunk makes me happy.
1)
All girls are easy.
Stacy is a girl.
Therefore, Stacy is easy.
Easy girls are fun.
Stacy is fun.
2)
All money is invested.
A $100 bill is money.
Therefore, a $100 bill is invested.
Invested money grows.
A $100 bill grows.
nooooo stop adding concepts, lsat is getting more and more confusing by the day
1) All sports are entertaining
2) Softball is a sport
3) Softball is entertaining
4) All entertaining things can be televised
5) Softball is televised
I am willing to bet that Fluffers is indeed cute!
All games are fun.
Marvel Rivals is a game.
Marvel Rivals is fun.
All fun things provide some type of dopamine.
Marvel Rivals provides some type of dopamine.
Here is an example I have come up with:
All Italian olives make good olive oil
Taggiasca is a type of Italian olive
Therefore, Taggiasca olives makes good olive oil
Good olive oil is used in making great pasta
C. Therefore, when Taggiasca olive oil is used, the pasta will be great
Wait so one DOES need watch the video and do the reading? Asking because I just did the reading, grasped the concept and then in the next section I'm seeing terms like minor premise being used and I would't have come across that term and understanding without going back to this section and watching the video? Very confusing and now I'm not sure how to proceed even when the write makes sense. I thought video and write ups were the same thing but now it seems like like more info can be shared in the video then just the write up :/
would this count as an example?
pasta is delicious
penne is a type of pasta
penne tastes delicious
all delicious things create happiness
therefore penne creates happiness
P - The coach for the Dallas Giants is undefeated.
SC - The Dallas Giants have a great coach.
P - The Dallas Giants have won the Super Bowl.
MC - The Dallas Giants are the greatest football team this year!