7Sage Course Changes
Beginning on March 29th, our Starter, Premium, and Ultimate courses will no longer be available for purchase.
Instead, we will offer two subscription Ultimate+ options.
The first option is USD $69/month.
The second option is USD $599 for one year (12 months).
Both options are equivalent to the current Ultimate+ course in terms of content access. That means every single PrepTest, the entire Question Bank and Problem Set generator, all the video explanations, etc. In a word: everything. As new PrepTests get released and explanations made, they will be automatically added to your account.
But...
LSAC Changes
In order to use either option, you must have an active LSAC Prep Plus subscription from LSAC which they launched yesterday and for which they charge $99/year. You might have already heard about this from these two posts on reddit.com/r/lsat.
What wasn't mentioned is the fact that with the launch of LSAC Prep Plus, every student who wants to use a prep course that uses real LSAT questions must have an active LSAC Prep Plus subscription. That includes us, 7Sage, and any other LSAT prep course that uses real LSAT questions.
Again, this means that in order to purchase our course once the change takes effect on March 29th, you must have an active LSAC Prep Plus subscription ($99/year). For example, enrolling in our courses will cost:
Option 1: USD $69/month + $99/year for LSAC Prep Plus
Option 2: USD $599/year + $99/year for LSAC Prep Plus
Note that you only need one LSAC Prep Plus subscription no matter how many prep courses you use. That means that if you use prep courses from multiple companies, you don't need to purchase multiple LSAC Prep Plus accounts. You can use the same one. But, and I'm repeating myself, if you want to use any prep course that uses real LSAT questions, you must sign up for LSAC Prep Plus.
Grandfathered Courses
Students who get or already have a Starter, Premium, Ultimate, Ultimate+ course before March 29th will be grandfathered into the course they currently have. In short, this means that these changes do not affect you as long as your grandfathered course is active. You will still have the option to extend at the current rate.
For example, if your Premium course expires on July 1, then you will continue to have access to your Premium course until it expires on July 1. Or you can extend it. You will not need to purchase an LSAC Prep Plus subscription. Again, in short, you won't be affected by these changes. You can stop reading here.
The longer version is that for some but not all of the grandfathered courses, an LSAC Prep Plus subscription will actually be needed. But, if this applies to you, you won't need to pay the $99 fee. We will cover it for you. Obviously, we don't want to incur this fee, but we also don't want you to incur it either.
Questions
These are big changes and you probably have questions. Please ask. We'll collect your questions and answer with an update in a FAQ in a week.
FAQ Update
Question 1:
For grandfathered accounts, what extension options are available?
Answer 1:
Right now extensions are available for 1 month at a time only for $25/month. Soon, we will make them available for 1, 2, or 3 months at a time at $25/month. There will not be an option for automatic subscription for grandfathered accounts. If you wish to keep your grandfathered account active, you must manually extend before the account expires. Once the account expires, it will be gone and cannot be reactivated.
Question 2:
Can I enroll in the new Ultimate+ course (monthly or 12-months) right now or before March 29?
Answer 2:
Likely yes but our system is not yet ready. The planned transition date is March 29. If we can get it ready before then, we will let you know here.
Question 3:
Say it's May and I have a grandfathered account. I know that means I won't have to pay for LSAT Prep Plus ($99) but you said I "might be required to have one anyway." How will I be contacted if that applies to me and what will I need to do?
Answer 3:
If this applies to you then you will receive an invite email from LSAC saying that you have a subscription already. You just have to login to LSAC to accept it.
Question 4:
Currently, Starter, Premium, and Ultimate courses can upgrade and purchase new PrepTests as addons as they are released. After March 29, will this still be possible?
Answer 4:
Sorry, no. After March 29, there will no longer be any upgrades or purchase additional PrepTests addon options. Grandfathered S/P/U accounts (i.e. S/P/U accounts purchased before March 29) will only have the option to extend their existing account (see Question 1) or the option to enroll in the new Ultimate+ options.
Question 5:
Is it a better deal to purchase Ultimate+ now and get a grandfathered account or wait? It seems like it's a better deal to wait since it will be $50 cheaper ($599 + $99 LSAC Prep Plus) = $698 versus right now it's $749.
Answer 5:
It depends. The content and access time for both are the same. The costs are not.
Ultimate+ now is $749 with $25/month extension option.
Ultimate+ after March 29th is $599 + $99 LSAC PrepPlus for the first 12 month = $698. If you need to go over 12 months, you can extend at $69/month but you also need to repurchase LSAC PrepPlus for $99 again because it's an annual subscription.
So, if you're planning to study for 12 months or less, then probably waiting is the better deal. If you're planning to study for more than 12 months, probably getting a Ultimate+ now is the better deal.
For example, assume study time of 15 months.
Ultimate+ now is $749 + 3x$25 (3 month extension) = $824
Ultimate+ after March 29 = $599 + $99 (LSAC Prep Plus year 1) + 3x$69 (3 month extension) + $99 (LSAC Prep Plus year 2) = $1,004
46 comments
Wow. LSAC is so full of it, this is their attempt to lower barriers of entry into the legal profession? To charge prospective test takers $99/year if they want access to legitimate test material? ON TOP of paying for an LSAT course which so many already cannot afford. Good job LSAC, the kings of hypocrisy.
For a "non-profit" they sure are a greedy bunch of assholes.
I will never stop hating the LSAC.
Thank you 7Sage for adapting the course material to at least attempt to make it affordable!
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Hey guys, sorry that was so unclear in the initial post. I've updated it to hopefully answer your questions and I'm copying that part of it here as well.
Grandfathered Courses
Students who get or already have a Starter, Premium, Ultimate, Ultimate+ course before March 29th will be grandfathered into the course they currently have. In short, this means that these changes do not affect you as long as your grandfathered course is active. You will still have the option to extend at the current rate.
For example, if your Premium course expires on July 1, then you will continue to have access to your Premium course until it expires on July 1. Or you can extend it. You will not need to purchase an LSAC Prep Plus subscription. Again, in short, you won't be affected by these changes. You can stop reading here.
The longer version is that for some but not all of the grandfathered courses, an LSAC Prep Plus subscription will actually be needed. But, if this applies to you, you won't need to pay the $99 fee. We will cover it for you. Obviously, we don't want to incur this fee, but we also don't want you to incur it either.
Standardized testing and their barriers...... wow :(
@christinaparchem604 said:
Standardized testing and their barriers...... wow :(
I feel like lots of these courses preach about equal access to education materials and then bam, capitalism rears its ugly head. I hate it so much.
This does have some advantages. Ultimate+ will be meaningfully cheaper. That’s good. More people will be able to afford it. The month-to-month will provide a bridge option to many others. This seems like a very well balanced response to this terrible policy. Still, many others who previously got a great value with the lower level packages may be priced out altogether. I know this test is not cheap to produce or administer. They do have to fund themselves. But schemes like this have the polarizing effect of shutting out poor and working class students entirely. LSAC knows that and has been actively widening that gap.
Thanks JY for standing between us and them and for responding to their bullshit as well as possible to keep all this available to as many people as possible.
LSAC at it again. Not surprised.....
I am so glad to have a grand fathered in account. I heard a little about LSAC’s $99 dollar prep test option which I thought sounded okay for people who don’t have an Ultimate or Ultimate+ account like we have the option of but wow to hear that they want to make everyone not grandfathered into a plan pay for that plus LSAT prep is beyond ridiculous!
Thank you for the information JY. I do not like what the LSAC is doing but I love how 7Sage is doing everything to help us. It goes beyond just teaching... You guys are providing all the tools for us to succeed. Thanks for that guys
We just got permission from LSAC to start offering the new subscriptions a couple of days early! So if you don't have an existing grandfathered course and would like to sign up for one of the new subscriptions, you can do it right now:
7sage.com/pricing
If you run into any issues, please let us know!
@maizinburly527 said:
@juliet7sage said:
@maizinburly527 said:
Hi, I am not sure if you have answered this question. But is there discount for those who have the LSAC fee waiver?
Hi there,
Due to recent changes to our courses, we plan to modify our LSAC Fee Waiver program, but we have not yet finalized the details of how the new program will work. Sorry!
We will update you when we have more details about the new fee waiver program.
Hi, Juliet!
Do you have an update on this?
Hi there,
Yes, 7Sage's Fee Waiver Program allows students who have LSAC fee waivers to access our Ultimate+ curriculum at reduced cost. With your fee waiver, you can enroll in our Fee Waiver Program and get four months of Ultimate+ for $40. You can find more information about our Fee Waiver Program on this page: https://classic.7sage.com/fee-waiver/.
Please let us know if you have any further questions.
@jcutley93771 said:
Hello,
I am unsure if this was answered above, but I just have a quick clarification.
I have been on the Ultimate+ plan since last year - my account is currently set to expire on August 25, 2020. If I decide to extend later on by the month, will I have to then get the LSAC subscription? I am absolutely hoping to be done with the LSAT by then lol - but I just want to make sure.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
Since you already have an Ultimate+ course before March 29th, you will be grandfathered into your Ultimate+ course. In short, this means that these changes do not affect you as long as your grandfathered course is active. You will still have the option to extend at the current rate.
You will not need to purchase an LSAC Prep Plus subscription. Again, in short, you won't be affected by these changes.
Let us know if you have any further questions!
Hi everyone, I just posted an update FAQ that attempted to consolidate the questions that we've been getting here and privately via studentservices. Please see update in the original post above.
Separately, this thread is getting so long that it's hard to read.
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I deleted your questions that have been answered. I didn't delete anything else (i.e. comments). I took a screenshot of the original thread though, so it's archived here-page-1 and here-page-2.
If you're able to answer this, are you guys - and other companies - still going to be paying LSAC fees for using their content then? So now they're getting fees for content from students and test-prep companies? Wow.
Thanks for the clarification J.Y. That's good news for those with a grandfathered account!
Thanks for clarifying J.Y.
@dring80418 said:
Wow. LSAC is so full of it, this is their attempt to lower barriers of entry into the legal profession? To charge prospective test takers $99/year if they want access to legitimate test material? ON TOP of paying for an LSAT course which so many already cannot afford. Good job LSAC, the kings of hypocrisy.
I echo your sentiments.
@juliet7sage said:
@maizinburly527 said:
Hi, I am not sure if you have answered this question. But is there discount for those who have the LSAC fee waiver?
Hi there,
Due to recent changes to our courses, we plan to modify our LSAC Fee Waiver program, but we have not yet finalized the details of how the new program will work. Sorry!
We will update you when we have more details about the new fee waiver program.
Hi, Juliet!
Do you have an update on this?
@rlh5757297 said:
Hi, my course is set to expire next month and I am planning on extending through August. Is there no longer the option to purchase practice tests to extend?
Thanks!
Sorry, no. From March 29, there are no longer any upgrades or purchase additional PrepTests addon options. Grandfathered Starter/Premium/Ultimate accounts (i.e. Starter/Premium/Ultimate accounts purchased before March 29) will only have the option to extend their existing account by purchasing an extension at $25/month or the option to enroll in the new Ultimate+ options.
Hi, my course is set to expire next month and I am planning on extending through August. Is there no longer the option to purchase practice tests to extend?
Thanks!
@jhaldy10325 said:
Do you plan to have an autopay option in the future so we don't have to keep entering payment information? If not, I understand, but if so that would be very helpful.
Hi there,
Sorry, we do not have any plans to create a recurring charge for extending grandfathered accounts.
Do you plan to have an autopay option in the future so we don't have to keep entering payment information? If not, I understand, but if so that would be very helpful.
@maizinburly527 said:
Hi, I am not sure if you have answered this question. But is there discount for those who have the LSAC fee waiver?
Hi there,
Due to recent changes to our courses, we plan to modify our LSAC Fee Waiver program, but we have not yet finalized the details of how the new program will work. Sorry!
We will update you when we have more details about the new fee waiver program.
@leecpr219 said:
Hi! I have a standard (I believe that's what it's called) subscription that is set to expire at the end of April. If I want to extend the standard to May or June, I only have to pay the $25 to extend it, but not the additional $99?
Hi there,
You can extend your grandfathered Premium course by purchasing an extension on this page: https://classic.7sage.com/addons/. The extension is $25 per month. You are not required to purchase an LSAC Prep Plus subscription for your grandfathered account.
Hi, I am not sure if you have answered this question. But is there discount for those who have the LSAC fee waiver?