Although it would be smart to go to sleep right now instead of studying, if I want a 170+ by September, I may have to relegate some time in the morning to extra sleep to compensate for more studying at night. ;0
A concession seems very similar to a counterargument to me. FFrom what I understand, a concession involves acknowledging the validity of an opposing argument, recognizing that it may hold some truth, but ultimately asserting that the original argument remains the stronger option. On the other hand, from my understanding a counterargument i counterargument is a direct refutation, stating that the opposing argument is wrong.
Example: Yes, I know the Patriots have gone to the playoffs every year within the past 5 seasons and Tom Brady is an elite quarterback. However, the Patriots don't have a better defense than the Seahawks. Defense wins championships. Therefore, the Patriots will lose to the Seahawks in the championship.
@isabellagirjikianContext/Concession:Yes, I know the Patriots have gone to the playoffs every year within the past 5 seasons and Tom Brady is an elite quarterback. Premise: However, the Patriots don't have a better defense than the Seahawks. Defense wins championships. Conclusion: Therefore, the Patriots will lose to the Seahawks in the championship.
If anything, these types of sentence structure is similar to that of thesis statements for papers.
e.g. "Despite its well known popularity and effectiveness in treating cancer (concession), chemotherapy can hurt the patient's life expectancy because the induced pain may adversely affect the patient's health by putting too much physical stress on the body."
@lemonpie Exactly, it will be a statement that contradicts the conclusion of the author's argument. Another example would be:
"My mom says that I can only have one gaming console. Even though I already have a Playstation 5, I still want to get a gaming PC as well because they're upgradeable, and I can play online with my friends that have PC's."
so an example of concession would be like: I know Harry Potter is not the bets movie in the world but it is fun to watch so I think we should watch it. It diminishes the movie and may turn someone form wanting to watch it but they watch it because it is fun? Does this makes sense?#feedback
this is funny. People use these concessions all the time in discussion almost making it clear they are trying to discount your perspective. I just think its great to learn more about this sort of context
@JamesFoleno I think some people say is very similar to points offered in concession in that they both are points that the writer disagrees with. However, its structure is just different.
How does a concession differ from the context of other people's opinions? It seems like in both, you're presenting the opposition's argument first and then contradicting it with your own. Is concessions "in spite of this argument..." and other people's opinions "contrary to this argument..."?
I assume context can support or deny the authors opinion, or just some background information. Such as "the star wars sequel just released a new movie set 100 years later....". This doesn't support nor weaken the argument in anyway, just gives some additional random information that may or may not be useful to the readers. Whereas a concession in my understanding is like fishing, you give the fish some bait so it bites the hook. You pretend to side with the opposing argument only to flip it around with your conclusion.
So an example would be: Although it would require billions of dollars in tax revenue, we should enact universal healthcare since it would allow everyone to receive medical treatment and many other countries already have it.
Even though Jackie is being treated unfairly at work, she should stick around do her best despite her manager not taking her concerns seriously because leaving now would hurt her future references
Even though Red Bull gives me heart palpitations and has sent me to the ER in the past, it has sugar free options and is always at a gas station making it the perfect go to drink!
As a very logical thinker, this lesson was very helpful. It defined concessions, points offered in concession, premise(s), context and addressed that not all context is the same. 10/10 lesson
@KhushyMandania As I understand it, concessions are claims made by you that would otherwise hurt your argument if made by the other person, rather than just a single word like "but, however or yet". I like to think of it as acknowledging your flaws or, in this case your argument's flaws before another person can.
@Summy ohh right. I think I confused them. If I recall correctly, "But, however, yet" are indicator words for when we are switching over from the context to the argument.
@Ryo I have been taking notes of what I think is the main point of the lessons/summarizing. I know these foundational lessons eventually should be operating at a subconscious level, and I find note taking to be a useful resource for me when it comes to recall. I think it's all up to the person!
@GiselleSt.Claire Thanks for your reply, I've taken notes on the Powerscore textbooks but not 7sage. It's kind of like a recap so thats why I haven't been taking too much notes.
@Ryo I take notes on the main points - vocab, etc., but I also include the examples as we continue going into the others lessons (expanding more upon them to follow along!) Hope this helps!
@Ryo I have been taking key notes on definitions as well as screenshotting examples/wrong answers to create a board and reference anything that may come up as confusing to reference back at.
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Concession example: "Although it makes sense to study the LSAT months in advance, I am going to just wing it because that is a lot of work"
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Although it would be smart to go to sleep right now instead of studying, if I want a 170+ by September, I may have to relegate some time in the morning to extra sleep to compensate for more studying at night. ;0
A concession seems very similar to a counterargument to me. FFrom what I understand, a concession involves acknowledging the validity of an opposing argument, recognizing that it may hold some truth, but ultimately asserting that the original argument remains the stronger option. On the other hand, from my understanding a counterargument i counterargument is a direct refutation, stating that the opposing argument is wrong.
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Even though Panda Express is very good, we should eat at Wendys since its closer by and still has the things we enjoy.
Lmk if this is right
@GDatria715 Even though a commentator loves Panda Express, people should not eat there because authentic Chinese food is objectively superior.
@PowerUp_Tutoring Even though Panda Express is not authentic Chinese food, we should eat at Panda Express because many people love it and it's nearby.
Example: Yes, I know the Patriots have gone to the playoffs every year within the past 5 seasons and Tom Brady is an elite quarterback. However, the Patriots don't have a better defense than the Seahawks. Defense wins championships. Therefore, the Patriots will lose to the Seahawks in the championship.
@RyanKelly Yup, I would say this is a good example of a concession 😀
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@Jurcis I never expected to see a Drake Maye reference studying for my LSAT. This just confirmed I will score a 180 now. Thanks!
@RyanKelly Are you from the future?
@RyanKelly Could you help break down the example? Premise, conclusion, context, and concession - just to make sure I'm following correctly. Thanks!
@isabellagirjikian Context/Concession: Yes, I know the Patriots have gone to the playoffs every year within the past 5 seasons and Tom Brady is an elite quarterback. Premise: However, the Patriots don't have a better defense than the Seahawks. Defense wins championships. Conclusion: Therefore, the Patriots will lose to the Seahawks in the championship.
Even though excessive alcohol is bad for your liver, we should celebrate by drinking some wine tonight since you got accepted into law school.
So, a contradiction?
WHAT? new star wars widely acclaimed?
so concessions could be thought of as counter-arguments?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.
If anything, these types of sentence structure is similar to that of thesis statements for papers.
e.g. "Despite its well known popularity and effectiveness in treating cancer (concession), chemotherapy can hurt the patient's life expectancy because the induced pain may adversely affect the patient's health by putting too much physical stress on the body."
To provide a stronger argument one can say; star wars will be streaming for years while Harambe the Movie has a limited release!
so basically if im understanding this , concession points are opposing views of what the author actually thinks?
@lemonpie Exactly, it will be a statement that contradicts the conclusion of the author's argument. Another example would be:
"My mom says that I can only have one gaming console. Even though I already have a Playstation 5, I still want to get a gaming PC as well because they're upgradeable, and I can play online with my friends that have PC's."
@JamesHague Just to make sure this is correct in your example?
Premise 1: Because they're upgradeable
Premise 2: I can play online with my friends that have PC's
Conclusion: I still want to get a gaming PC
Context: My mom says that I can only have one gaming console
Concession: Even though I already have a Playstation 5
so an example of concession would be like: I know Harry Potter is not the bets movie in the world but it is fun to watch so I think we should watch it. It diminishes the movie and may turn someone form wanting to watch it but they watch it because it is fun? Does this makes sense?#feedback
Even though McDonald’s is unhealthy, we should eat McDonald’s since they have chicken salads now and it’s convenient
this is funny. People use these concessions all the time in discussion almost making it clear they are trying to discount your perspective. I just think its great to learn more about this sort of context
How should this be distinguished from "some people say" context?
@JamesFoleno I think some people say is very similar to points offered in concession in that they both are points that the writer disagrees with. However, its structure is just different.
How does a concession differ from the context of other people's opinions? It seems like in both, you're presenting the opposition's argument first and then contradicting it with your own. Is concessions "in spite of this argument..." and other people's opinions "contrary to this argument..."?
I assume context can support or deny the authors opinion, or just some background information. Such as "the star wars sequel just released a new movie set 100 years later....". This doesn't support nor weaken the argument in anyway, just gives some additional random information that may or may not be useful to the readers. Whereas a concession in my understanding is like fishing, you give the fish some bait so it bites the hook. You pretend to side with the opposing argument only to flip it around with your conclusion.
So an example would be: Although it would require billions of dollars in tax revenue, we should enact universal healthcare since it would allow everyone to receive medical treatment and many other countries already have it.
Just think of B-Rabbit.
Imagine after the concession the lsat author just hits us with a "but I know something about you 😈"
Even though Jackie is being treated unfairly at work, she should stick around do her best despite her manager not taking her concerns seriously because leaving now would hurt her future references
Even though Red Bull gives me heart palpitations and has sent me to the ER in the past, it has sugar free options and is always at a gas station making it the perfect go to drink!
This is interesting.
As a very logical thinker, this lesson was very helpful. It defined concessions, points offered in concession, premise(s), context and addressed that not all context is the same. 10/10 lesson
So is "but, however, yet" also a type of concession?
@KhushyMandania As I understand it, concessions are claims made by you that would otherwise hurt your argument if made by the other person, rather than just a single word like "but, however or yet". I like to think of it as acknowledging your flaws or, in this case your argument's flaws before another person can.
@Summy ohh right. I think I confused them. If I recall correctly, "But, however, yet" are indicator words for when we are switching over from the context to the argument.
Do people take notes when doing these? I haven't so far
@Ryo I have been taking notes of what I think is the main point of the lessons/summarizing. I know these foundational lessons eventually should be operating at a subconscious level, and I find note taking to be a useful resource for me when it comes to recall. I think it's all up to the person!
@GiselleSt.Claire Thanks for your reply, I've taken notes on the Powerscore textbooks but not 7sage. It's kind of like a recap so thats why I haven't been taking too much notes.
@Ryo I take notes because I feel it cements info in my head. But we all learn differently too
@Ryo I take notes on the main points - vocab, etc., but I also include the examples as we continue going into the others lessons (expanding more upon them to follow along!) Hope this helps!
@Ryo How much has that helped? I figured 7sage simplifies arguments in a very digestible way. How does powerscore elaborate on a lesson like this?
@Ryo I have been taking key notes on definitions as well as screenshotting examples/wrong answers to create a board and reference anything that may come up as confusing to reference back at.
will lsat questions use either context or concessions in their argument? or will some questions have both?
@ReaganPressley they could have both, but I would assume that usually they'll have one or the other, but there is no guarantees.