Messed up a bit on the last one. I set it as a premise rather than an author’s note. Knew there wasn’t a conclusion though.
So are we saying that when an argument isn’t present, there’s no conclusion? I mean, it would make sense because if I play this out as a conversation and asked someone “Well, what was the point of you saying that?” I’d expect the response to be along the lines of, “I was just saying it to say it.” Lol.
Again bringing the political lense, just because... Sometimes it's useful to make assertions WITHOUT stating your premises, as it makes your conclusions seem obvious and factual and like everybody already understands what you're saying without even having to back it up. Keep your reasons for your beliefs in your back pocket in case somebody decides to challenge you.
The phrase "Notwithstanding the planet Dune being a desert" is a phrase and does not have any actual verb. So I assume, when indicators are used like this ( like no aux verb or main verb), then we know it is not an argument. I might be wrong.
How is Q1 an argument? I understand that "With my current medical condition, there may not be another alternative,"supports "I've decided to go ahead with the operation," but the latter seems like a simple statement of fact and not an argument.
@WilRothman I think arguments like this are where the original definitions of premise and conclusion being taken extremely literally. It may not sound like it's trying to be persuasive, but it is still a "statement that is supported by another statement" which is all a conclusion is in the context of an LSAT question.
You can rewrite it as "I've decided to go ahead with the operation because my current medical condition may leave me no other alternative" and it works, and maybe even sounds a little bit more of an argument!
@MelanieLorraineTrevino I read it as a conclusion because the choice is there to have the operation, or to alternatively not have the operation (the argument for the author then becomes "Should I have the operation?". I try to rephrase things like that and it has helped me a lot, phrasing parts of the passage into easier digested questions. Since the option exists to not have any operation, I think that is what makes it an argument.
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5/5 ;)
I felt so smart realizing the last wasn't an arguement. Finally!!!!
5/5!
4/5, got confused on the last one.
Messed up a bit on the last one. I set it as a premise rather than an author’s note. Knew there wasn’t a conclusion though.
So are we saying that when an argument isn’t present, there’s no conclusion? I mean, it would make sense because if I play this out as a conversation and asked someone “Well, what was the point of you saying that?” I’d expect the response to be along the lines of, “I was just saying it to say it.” Lol.
5/5 lets go
4.5! I considered the people's point as an argument on Question 5.
Again bringing the political lense, just because... Sometimes it's useful to make assertions WITHOUT stating your premises, as it makes your conclusions seem obvious and factual and like everybody already understands what you're saying without even having to back it up. Keep your reasons for your beliefs in your back pocket in case somebody decides to challenge you.
YAY! 5/5
Anybody confuse the Premise/Conclusion in #4? Or did I just work too fast
@StarBrooks same
I say I scored 4.5/5 because the last question tripped me up. I answered:
Concession: Notwithstanding the planet Dune being a desert,
Premise: it was revered and
conclusion: considered invaluable by the people.
But oh well, I'll take what I can get :D
@Dom80 same!
I didn’t watch the video because I felt like I understood. Anything I missed?
4/5 - Got the last one wrong.
The phrase "Notwithstanding the planet Dune being a desert" is a phrase and does not have any actual verb. So I assume, when indicators are used like this ( like no aux verb or main verb), then we know it is not an argument. I might be wrong.
Something to consider, the concessions are usually going to counter the conclusion.
How is Q1 an argument? I understand that "With my current medical condition, there may not be another alternative," supports "I've decided to go ahead with the operation," but the latter seems like a simple statement of fact and not an argument.
@WilRothman I think arguments like this are where the original definitions of premise and conclusion being taken extremely literally. It may not sound like it's trying to be persuasive, but it is still a "statement that is supported by another statement" which is all a conclusion is in the context of an LSAT question.
You can rewrite it as "I've decided to go ahead with the operation because my current medical condition may leave me no other alternative" and it works, and maybe even sounds a little bit more of an argument!
@SavanahHoffstein Thank you for the clarification.
5/5 yea!
5/5 Yay!
5/5 Let's gooo. The dune one almost got me lol.
@Richard.Quiles21 same, but then I asked myself okay WHY is dune revered and invaluable? With no support, there is no argument, it’s just a statement.
@Richard.Quiles21 lol same, it's the shortest example yet the trickiest.
Dune mention!! Anyone watching Dune part 3 in December?
Got 4/5 on this one too. I thought more of the first sentence on 4 was the concession, not realizing it endde mid sentence
Dune mention 🤘
So in other words a concession point is admitting that the other side has a good point
5/5 let's go!!
How is I've decided to go ahead with the operation an argument or conclusion? That reads like a choice or fact to me.
@MelanieLorraineTrevino I read it as a conclusion because the choice is there to have the operation, or to alternatively not have the operation (the argument for the author then becomes "Should I have the operation?". I try to rephrase things like that and it has helped me a lot, phrasing parts of the passage into easier digested questions. Since the option exists to not have any operation, I think that is what makes it an argument.
@MelanieLorraineTrevino I just imagine this person arguing with themself in the mirror - should I or should I not have the surgery?
5/5 again!