Here is what helped me eliminate D. Here's an analogous argument to D.
I know my car could breakdown and cause an accident that results in the damage to another individuals property.
Based on that statement is there any basis that I should reasonably expect my car is going to breakdown? Have I said I have a faulty motor? or am aware of engine trouble? No I have not. There is always a potential for just about anything to happen. I know that I could spontaneously combust but if I have no evidence as to how or why then I simply cannot reasonably expect that to happen.
Referencing my car example everyone knows their car could breakdown but that doesn't mean they are constantly reasonably expecting it to happen. The main consideration is acknowledging the spectrum upon which the possibility of an outcome occurs. Pretty much anything could happen. This is on the lenient side of the possibility spectrum, but as likelihood increases the reasonableness of the event occurring increases. In addition the more aware we are of the factors influencing the reasonableness of an event occurring the more reasonable it is for us to expect such an event to occur.
I made a different chain of conditionals but ultimately it led to if (Knew Damage could occur )--> Pay. (I kicked that the damage had happened to domain. Is there only 1 way to diagram things, or is a variance OK as long as it is solid.
basically im hoping I didn't get this question with blind luck
I had A but then switched to D in BR -- I am still a bit confused and unsure why exactly D is wrong. I understand why A is correct but I just do not get why D is wrong, any help please!!
So my question is how do you know you're looking for a full rule based on the QS and not a details. When we did PSA we had some questions that were about looking for 'rules' (which is a full argument that matches the shape of the current example, and we had 'application' which is when we look for a detail - usually part of the premise that would strengthen the application of the implicit rule and make it more likely that the conclusion would be true.
so how would I know what to look for here based on the QS?
In PSA we knew to hunt for a rule when it read:
Which one of the following, if assumed, most helps to justify the reasoning in the archaeologist's argument?
(Look for rule)
In PSA we knew to hunt for an application when it read:
The principle stated above, if valid, most helps to justify the reasoning in which one of the following arguments?
(Have rule, look for application. )
Im trying to abstract from PSA to SA -- is it when the question clearly states that there is a principal stated above that you go and look for a application but when its not mentioned, the assumption is that you should go and look for the rule or argument?
This is why I chose D. The stimulus says "if he could have reasonable expected... then he should pay for damage," but nowhere is said that he could have reasonable expected.... Thus, whithout that piece of information the argument has a gap, which D fulfills. A does nothing but restate what the stimulus already says.
I can see that some people, including myself, are struggling to understand why D is wrong. In my view, I think it's because if we assumed D to be true, we are left with two disjointed facts: 1) trespassers caused damage and 2) Sandstrom knew this could happen. How are we supposed to logically infer that these two facts add up to "she should pay for damages"?
ACs like A and B that are strikingly similar except for a couple words are my biggest weakness. In practice I can tell the difference between them because I have the time, but under time conditions I always fumble these. If anyone has any advice on getting better between identifying the dissimilarities, please let me know! Even reviewing the lawgic terms alone hasn't helped with actual questions.
I determined D was wrong because the logic of the argument makes trespassing the condition for damage. Regardless of the distinctions between know and reasonably expect, I threw out the answer because the second premise stated that the individual had to reasonably expect damage, not trespassing that would be sufficient for people causing damage. While it could be assumed that she could have expected/known that damage could occur (as a result of expecting trespassing and thus knowing damage results from trespassing), I felt a lot more comfortable with A, given the direct relationship between the expectations and damage. Is this a correct way of discerning this answer?
Am I right in the belief that only A and B are the only reasonable answers because they are more broad and generalized? Thats what worked for me in the lessons before and it worked here as well.
I get how A helps fill in the gap between the premise and the conclusion, but isn't there still a gap because we don't know conclusively that Ms. Sandstrom could have reasonably expected the column would lead people to damage the Mendels farm? We know the Mendels claim she could have reasonably expected it, but is that enough to say she could have? With the bar being logical validity as an SA question, that's really hanging me up. Perhaps it is ok because it is a conditional conclusion?
Can someone explain why D is wrong I still have no clue after the explanation. I chose A first then chose D second for blind review because I felt A was restating the premise and conclusion
I think there's a typo in the explanation for answer choice C. It says that "We could have that larger debat", so it seems like it should be fixed to debate. #typo
Being so serious, small fun stuff like the casual simpsons reference really pushes me through the curriculum
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This felt very similar to rule and stimulus application questions. am I wrong to make this connection?
Here is what helped me eliminate D. Here's an analogous argument to D.
I know my car could breakdown and cause an accident that results in the damage to another individuals property.
Based on that statement is there any basis that I should reasonably expect my car is going to breakdown? Have I said I have a faulty motor? or am aware of engine trouble? No I have not. There is always a potential for just about anything to happen. I know that I could spontaneously combust but if I have no evidence as to how or why then I simply cannot reasonably expect that to happen.
Referencing my car example everyone knows their car could breakdown but that doesn't mean they are constantly reasonably expecting it to happen. The main consideration is acknowledging the spectrum upon which the possibility of an outcome occurs. Pretty much anything could happen. This is on the lenient side of the possibility spectrum, but as likelihood increases the reasonableness of the event occurring increases. In addition the more aware we are of the factors influencing the reasonableness of an event occurring the more reasonable it is for us to expect such an event to occur.
I made a different chain of conditionals but ultimately it led to if (Knew Damage could occur )--> Pay. (I kicked that the damage had happened to domain. Is there only 1 way to diagram things, or is a variance OK as long as it is solid.
basically im hoping I didn't get this question with blind luck
I had A but then switched to D in BR -- I am still a bit confused and unsure why exactly D is wrong. I understand why A is correct but I just do not get why D is wrong, any help please!!
So my question is how do you know you're looking for a full rule based on the QS and not a details. When we did PSA we had some questions that were about looking for 'rules' (which is a full argument that matches the shape of the current example, and we had 'application' which is when we look for a detail - usually part of the premise that would strengthen the application of the implicit rule and make it more likely that the conclusion would be true.
so how would I know what to look for here based on the QS?
In PSA we knew to hunt for a rule when it read:
Which one of the following, if assumed, most helps to justify the reasoning in the archaeologist's argument?
(Look for rule)
In PSA we knew to hunt for an application when it read:
The principle stated above, if valid, most helps to justify the reasoning in which one of the following arguments?
(Have rule, look for application. )
Im trying to abstract from PSA to SA -- is it when the question clearly states that there is a principal stated above that you go and look for a application but when its not mentioned, the assumption is that you should go and look for the rule or argument?
how do we know it utilizes the rule-application reasoning?
was that a steamed hams reference
#help
I interpreted the stimulus in the following way:
R => P
? (R)
-----------
P
(R= "could have reasonably expected..."
P= "should pay for damage")
This is why I chose D. The stimulus says "if he could have reasonable expected... then he should pay for damage," but nowhere is said that he could have reasonable expected.... Thus, whithout that piece of information the argument has a gap, which D fulfills. A does nothing but restate what the stimulus already says.
#HELP #FEEDBACK
Does anyone know if the stimulus is written in conditional language than the correct answer must also be written conditionally (meaning if/then)?
#Help
so if the question stem says "properly" then the support must reach MUST (100%) and NOT strengthen?
I can see that some people, including myself, are struggling to understand why D is wrong. In my view, I think it's because if we assumed D to be true, we are left with two disjointed facts: 1) trespassers caused damage and 2) Sandstrom knew this could happen. How are we supposed to logically infer that these two facts add up to "she should pay for damages"?
Going back through this question type because I really struggled the first time. Wish me luck
this lesson left me with a craving for mouth watering hamburgers
ACs like A and B that are strikingly similar except for a couple words are my biggest weakness. In practice I can tell the difference between them because I have the time, but under time conditions I always fumble these. If anyone has any advice on getting better between identifying the dissimilarities, please let me know! Even reviewing the lawgic terms alone hasn't helped with actual questions.
Darude Sandstorm
I determined D was wrong because the logic of the argument makes trespassing the condition for damage. Regardless of the distinctions between know and reasonably expect, I threw out the answer because the second premise stated that the individual had to reasonably expect damage, not trespassing that would be sufficient for people causing damage. While it could be assumed that she could have expected/known that damage could occur (as a result of expecting trespassing and thus knowing damage results from trespassing), I felt a lot more comfortable with A, given the direct relationship between the expectations and damage. Is this a correct way of discerning this answer?
Am I right in the belief that only A and B are the only reasonable answers because they are more broad and generalized? Thats what worked for me in the lessons before and it worked here as well.
I had such a hard time figuring out the difference between A and B, I need up choosing A but I wasn’t confident about it at all.
I didn't even read the other answers after A ahahahahah
I get how A helps fill in the gap between the premise and the conclusion, but isn't there still a gap because we don't know conclusively that Ms. Sandstrom could have reasonably expected the column would lead people to damage the Mendels farm? We know the Mendels claim she could have reasonably expected it, but is that enough to say she could have? With the bar being logical validity as an SA question, that's really hanging me up. Perhaps it is ok because it is a conditional conclusion?
Delightfully Devilish Simpsons reference.
Can someone explain why D is wrong I still have no clue after the explanation. I chose A first then chose D second for blind review because I felt A was restating the premise and conclusion
I think there's a typo in the explanation for answer choice C. It says that "We could have that larger debat", so it seems like it should be fixed to debate. #typo
Got it wrong because I POE'd the rest of the answer choices and forgot to go back and mark A as my answer lol. Hope that doesn't happen on test day...
Being so serious, small fun stuff like the casual simpsons reference really pushes me through the curriculum