I first chose A, until I read D, then figured because it isn't a PSA question type, A isn't right because it presents a principle type of answer, where as D presents a premise.
So when we choose answer choices for SA, during my blind review I treated the question as a PSA and chose A, (what I initially thought the answer was), should I just keep doing that? Or how do I know that if I'm looking for an answer choice that's kind of a principle (generalized) vs if I should look for an answer that's more specific to the stimulus like D.
@SofiaFuentes remember in the previous sections, JY said that even if you confused an SA question with PSA (conditional logic) it is still the same trick, it's the same thing we think when we are saying some and many can be used with each other. Just use the same formula Premise> conclusion.
Is it sick and twisted that I lowkey just got this kind of wrong so I could use the correction for my notes? Trust, I didn't know what to look for, so I just went with one I thought was okay, knowing fully well I would get it wrong. I've taken down my notes, so hopefully I get the next few questions correct. Wish me luck, guys! I'll see you in the next question!
Ok, I got this one right, basically off my intuition.
But can someone explain why we can just automatically throw out answer choices with "only if" or other necessary condition indicators?
Like, what if it was established that Ms. Sandstrom had known pointing out the anomaly would cause people to flock to the farm prior to writing her column?
@JohnThorn The stimulus says: Sandstrom should pay for this damage if, as the Mendels claim, she could have reasonably expected that the column would lead people to damage the Mendels' farm.
Just based on the conditional we can say: Expected damage then Pay.
The B says: One should pay for damage that one's action leads other people to cause only if, prior to the action, one expected that the action would lead other people to cause that damage.
This translates, because of the only if, into: Pay then Expected Damage.
If you already know that the main relation is E then P, whenever an answer changes that (P then E) it will be wrong.
@JessM In the stimulus (conclusion), "should pay for this damage" is on the right side of the arrow since it is before the sufficient indicator "if". Answer choice (A) has "pay for any damage" also on the right side of the arrow because it is before the sufficient indicator "if". Whereas (B) has the necessary indicator "only if". Whatever is before "only if" is on the left side of the arrow. It is basically the wrong reversal of the conclusion. Hopefully that makes sense! I would recommend watching the foundational videos on sufficient vs necessary assumption indicators and conditional reasoning.
In general, is it safe to assume that when the conclusion in the stimulus has to do with something that someone "should" do, the right answer will also address that "should"?
For this question I didn't really look at C, D, or E because it didn't seem like they addressed the should claim so then I just looked at A and B because of the should piece, but I won't do that going forward if that's not a safe assumption.
If Sandstrom expected the column would lead to damage of the farm --> Sandstrom should pay for the damage of the farm
The question is asking the argument's conclusion can be properly inferred IF which one of the following is assumed. So we want to find something in the answer choices that ensure this CONDITIONAL will follow that if someone expects something will cause damage that they should pay for the damage. AC A. does this by setting the conditional if one expects the actions would lead other ppl to cause damage --> one should pay for the damage. THIS ENSURES that the authors conditional conclusion follows because if this is true than it ensure if Sandstrom expected the column would lead to damage of the farm --> Sandstrom should pay for the damage of the farm. Making the conclusion airtight.
This is a great way to visualize it. The only reason I got this right is because in the content leading up to this it was explained that what differentiates SA from MBT is that we aren't looking for the conclusion, we are looking for the missing link that would guarantee that the conclusion (in this case 'Ms. sandstrom should pay') is a MBT conclusion. The key factor for me is that in these question types we're looking for the missing premise.
i will say the readings before this comparing MBT to SA certainly made this confusing. I pegged A as being "correct" but not what the question was asking.
the prior lessons before this really tripped me up. I thought it was A but after reading through the SA lessons I doubted myself. I think the lessons could've been explained better
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D played in my face
SA is going to be a LONG unit
I first chose A, until I read D, then figured because it isn't a PSA question type, A isn't right because it presents a principle type of answer, where as D presents a premise.
So when we choose answer choices for SA, during my blind review I treated the question as a PSA and chose A, (what I initially thought the answer was), should I just keep doing that? Or how do I know that if I'm looking for an answer choice that's kind of a principle (generalized) vs if I should look for an answer that's more specific to the stimulus like D.
how is this any different than PSA
@Bruh or principle while were at it
@Bruh no literally
@Bruh Yeah, I'm really thinking the only difference b/w the two is the stem. Gonna treat them as such until proven otherwise
I literally skipped A because it seemed like an answer to a principle question... boy was I wrong.
@SofiaFuentes remember in the previous sections, JY said that even if you confused an SA question with PSA (conditional logic) it is still the same trick, it's the same thing we think when we are saying some and many can be used with each other. Just use the same formula Premise> conclusion.
@JimmyCrosbyMalanda Thank you so much for this thoughtful comment :)
@SofiaFuentes SAMEEE!
Is it sick and twisted that I lowkey just got this kind of wrong so I could use the correction for my notes? Trust, I didn't know what to look for, so I just went with one I thought was okay, knowing fully well I would get it wrong. I've taken down my notes, so hopefully I get the next few questions correct. Wish me luck, guys! I'll see you in the next question!
is this just not a psa question? I dont really get the difference lwk...
NUTS MY BRAIN STILL THOUGHT ABOUT IT NOT BEING A BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE A PRINCIPLE BUT IT WAS A GOOD INFERENCE FRIIIIIIIIIICK
B got me because I thought for A, "any damage" was too strong as the stimulus says "this damage." Ugh.
B got me lol
Almost got tricked by E.. but got it right!
I got this wrong, but I'm now understanding what I ought to be looking for when working on sufficient assumption questions.
I got this one right !
Ok, I got this one right, basically off my intuition.
But can someone explain why we can just automatically throw out answer choices with "only if" or other necessary condition indicators?
Like, what if it was established that Ms. Sandstrom had known pointing out the anomaly would cause people to flock to the farm prior to writing her column?
@JohnThorn The stimulus says: Sandstrom should pay for this damage if, as the Mendels claim, she could have reasonably expected that the column would lead people to damage the Mendels' farm.
Just based on the conditional we can say: Expected damage then Pay.
The B says: One should pay for damage that one's action leads other people to cause only if, prior to the action, one expected that the action would lead other people to cause that damage.
This translates, because of the only if, into: Pay then Expected Damage.
If you already know that the main relation is E then P, whenever an answer changes that (P then E) it will be wrong.
Greatly appreciate the Simpsons inclusion. 😂
Can someone explain the difference between answer choice A and B like I have CTE? They seem the same, B is just more strict.
@JessM In the stimulus (conclusion), "should pay for this damage" is on the right side of the arrow since it is before the sufficient indicator "if". Answer choice (A) has "pay for any damage" also on the right side of the arrow because it is before the sufficient indicator "if". Whereas (B) has the necessary indicator "only if". Whatever is before "only if" is on the left side of the arrow. It is basically the wrong reversal of the conclusion. Hopefully that makes sense! I would recommend watching the foundational videos on sufficient vs necessary assumption indicators and conditional reasoning.
That hurt my head, but I got it right.
In general, is it safe to assume that when the conclusion in the stimulus has to do with something that someone "should" do, the right answer will also address that "should"?
For this question I didn't really look at C, D, or E because it didn't seem like they addressed the should claim so then I just looked at A and B because of the should piece, but I won't do that going forward if that's not a safe assumption.
yayaya!! got it right! :) was a little tricky but super happy I got it correct !
those answer choices almost gave me an aneurysm omg
@clairebraz2 lololol same
The author concludes
If Sandstrom expected the column would lead to damage of the farm --> Sandstrom should pay for the damage of the farm
The question is asking the argument's conclusion can be properly inferred IF which one of the following is assumed. So we want to find something in the answer choices that ensure this CONDITIONAL will follow that if someone expects something will cause damage that they should pay for the damage. AC A. does this by setting the conditional if one expects the actions would lead other ppl to cause damage --> one should pay for the damage. THIS ENSURES that the authors conditional conclusion follows because if this is true than it ensure if Sandstrom expected the column would lead to damage of the farm --> Sandstrom should pay for the damage of the farm. Making the conclusion airtight.
Anyone struggling like I did, hope this helps:
Compare how each following answer fits:
Notice how option D adds nothing new to the problem?
Once option D establishes that Sandstrom DID expect damage, there is no point in the conclusion asking IF she expected damage. It's redundant.
@Mitch91 Thank you!
This is a great way to visualize it. The only reason I got this right is because in the content leading up to this it was explained that what differentiates SA from MBT is that we aren't looking for the conclusion, we are looking for the missing link that would guarantee that the conclusion (in this case 'Ms. sandstrom should pay') is a MBT conclusion. The key factor for me is that in these question types we're looking for the missing premise.
I knew A was right but i was confused because of the previous explanations so I literally did not choose it I literally crossed it out and chose D
i will say the readings before this comparing MBT to SA certainly made this confusing. I pegged A as being "correct" but not what the question was asking.
the prior lessons before this really tripped me up. I thought it was A but after reading through the SA lessons I doubted myself. I think the lessons could've been explained better