I have taken 2 preptest already and I am missing most of the "V.high" questions but get ALL "V.low" questions I get correct? Has anyone had trouble with this? Lower PT with higher BR

159 --> 178. Still in shock, but I know I have a debt to pay J.Y. and the rest of the 7Sage Staff!

Those of you who were able to close a consistent 10+ point gap in your actual/BR score to break to the mid 170s, what would you recommend focusing on?

Sample of recent PT/BR scores: 170/178, 167/178, 170/180, 165/179, 166/176, 168/180. Edit: since posting 169/180, 166/177

My range on all sections is -0 to -3ish except games which I can swing a -1 on a solo timed section about 60% of the time. On a PT I'll usually do -5 to -7.

Current areas of focus based on analytics:

Timing/skipping strategies.

More exposure to difficult questions under time.

Conditional logic under time.

Grouping games

Games under time.

I think the primary issue is an insufficient volume of timed work as my actual test scores have been consistently lower at 162 for may and 163 for june. While games is obviously the biggest killer for me and there's not a lot of detail here, I was just looking for any general considerations I may have blatantly overlooked as I work to close this gap. I do see a few threads on closing BR gaps... am reading through this one: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2520. But also looking for any considerations which might be specific to my score range.

Edit 8/8: still working on this. Trend has continued with a 169/180, 166/177. I've continued to work games, now having done everything from PT 14 up at least once with a -0. Redoing a lot of the timed mini sets in the CC. Haven't been able to increase volume of timed PTs due to family all being cooped up in the house.

Still looking at the same areas of focus, and more broadly, just applying known strategies under time i.e. sticking to the plan after getting punched in the face. I'm exploring video of PT takes, but haven't settled on a way to record both the digital interface what I write on paper.

Does anyone have experience with a tutor that can help address these issues? I've used a couple brilliant tutors here (Josh and Ben... both of whom I recommended very highly) that I've since had to discontinue due to finances... just wondering of there are any recommendations for my specific purposes before reaching out again. I'm thinking if I can get a good recording setup, I'd like someone to review video of me and work on both game-day strategies as well as fine tuning the actual question work.

I have just taken the June test and scored a 167 - I plan to take the test in August and my goal is to score 170 or better. If you are in a similar situation or have been in my shoes, what would your study plan look like? How many PTs per week should I shoot for, and how much time should I spend drilling materials/LG etc.? I plan to spend a lot of time foolproofing games as that is the largest variable in my score (on PTs I have been anywhere from -1 to -8) as well as going through the Loophole strategy. Thank you for any advice!!!

Hey guys,

With all these major success stories being posted (congrats to you all, you're an inspiration for the rest of us), i would love to hear from anybody a little bit further along in their LSAT/7 sage journey. My question is about how many pts with rigorous BR did it take for you to start noticing improvement?

a few details: i've finished cc. my diagnostic was 148 2 years ago and just took my first 3 pts within 2 weeks, all 158,159, and 157 (mentally struggled on this one). these were pt 40, 41, and 42 btw. each section is actually pretty even in terms of stats (-7 LR, -8 RC, -5LR, -9 LG). i am about to start fool-proofing LG in conjunction with ~2 pts/week. trying to take August 29 and planning for October 3 too, as i would like to apply this cycle.

my BR strategy is pretty intensive. i quite literally retake the entire test and reconvince myself of every answer, and on questions that are not immediately obvious I convince myself of why every other answer choice is not correct. as a result my BR score is pretty high (173, 175, 171) for where i'm at in studying. It does take me about 2 days to do this fully.

My reason for posing this question is I want to know that i'm not wasting time with the extensive BR that i'm doing. i am putting a lot into studying for this thing - it's a labor of love, really. but i only have so much time before these exams and i want to be doing the most effective strategies possible. is the extremely extensive BR strategy worth it? or should i just be devoting more time to LG foolproofing upfront instead? i don't know how long fool-proofing will take (i was a math major in college and i can solve the entire section almost flawlessly in BR) but i'm hoping it will only be a couple of weeks so i can continue to focus on BR.

Would love to hear anecdotal advice, critiques on strategy, really anything for how you guys saw your scores increase over time!

Thank you in advance!

I finished the CC and I was wondering where to go from here. I've taken 2 full/timed practice tests, but should I be doing untimed sections or timed sections or both? Also, which tests should I use for untimed work vs. full on timed practice tests?

Hi all,

I'm a recent student of 7sage and must say I'm loving the content! The information in the first 2 weeks are very detailed, granted it can seem dull, but I understand the approach. It might be just my years as a philosophy student that makes me see the overview as overkill, but, I do understand this may be completely foreign to some people, and quite necessary.

Anyway! My question is, since this is the first time I'm studying for the LSAT (highly nervous), I think I overshot with the prep materials I purchased. Before I came across 7sage, I purchased all the Powerscore bibles. I started reading the LR bible last week, but I found it a bit too detailed and convoluted. I seemed to be more confused after reading the first 2 chapters, and doing their practice drills, than if I didn't read the chapters. Not sure anyone else felt that way?

But for those of you who have purchased the trilogies in addition to taking the 7sage course, do you feel it's a necessary support to your study prep? Trying to figure out if I should even bother keeping the books.

I'm struggling internally with not reading every single prep material that is considered the "holy grail" of LSAT studying. I feel like if I don't include it into my study schedule, it'll be reflected in my score. What do you all think? Is it necessary to have those bibles?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks :)

I will be taking the FLEX using a desktop computer that has a camera, and was wondering if anyone has experience with how to make this work with the flex requirement to show around your testing area (really would not be easy to pick up the entire monitor and show under my desk lol). Does anyone know if I could get another detachable camera to use? Or if I would be able to get a mirror and angle it to show my surroundings?

I just finished the core curriculum. I am taking the actual October. How many should I take a week until then? Where should I start, should it be more recent tests or should I start along somewhere in the PT50s?

Hi! Is it too late to switch my July flex test for the August test? I think I could benefit from the time to do extra practice tests. Thanks!

When I took the LSAT for the first time I did horribly. I got a 143 and was in the 20th percentile.

After 4 months of studying (2 of which were here on 7sage - the other 2 were on Khan Academies official LSAT course) I took the June Flex test and got my results back.

I have increased my score by over 20 points to165 which puts me in the 91st percentile.

I am about to register for the August test so I will be here for a while but I really wanted to express my gratitude to the entire 7sage community and to JY in particular!

As of today, the trajectory of my life has changed. I am forever grateful.

Now I can confidently say "I'm [going to be] a lawyer" in my best Harvey Levin impersonation.

My results came back - 171!!! JY straight up taught me how to play logic games. Seriously. Huge thank you!

I received a 167 on the June test and have a 3.98 GPA. Georgetown and Vanderbilt are top 2 choices, but I'm wondering if I should retake the test in August to increase my chances of admission and scholarships. I am a little worried about getting a lower score, which I don't anticipate but I guess is always possible.

hi, this might be a silly question but after you input your answers for a preptest into the answer sheets on 7sage, how do you go about inputting answers for a blind review session on that same preptest?

(i did a preptest directly on lawhub and then manually transferred all the answers into the 7sage answer sheet for that preptest, now i'd like to redo the test using the blind review method, but not sure how to put in my answers on 7sage).

Hey yall. I need some help. I looked at my score this morning, and I am no where near where I want to be! This was my first LSAT, so I expected a lower score and to take it again, but I am still FREAKING OUT. I am planning on signing up for the August test, and I am REALLY hoping that it is a FLEX exam. I have terrible ADHD and I don't know if I can make it through a five section test phahahah. I am wanting to make about a 15-16 point jump before I feel comfortable to start applying. Is it too early to take it again? Should I give myself more time? Also, I still have access to my Kaplan self study plan until the end of August, so I plan on continuing to use that. I spent wayyy too much time getting through all of the fluff in videos and lessons, so I think that was my problem (very frustrating because I spent way too much on the program). I am going to commit to focusing on practice rather than content this go around and hope that I can get where I want to on my next exam. Please leave some suggestions as to if taking the exam again in August is too soon and ANY tips on how to increase my score! Thanks!

Hi everyone,

I just took the June flex exam after spending only less than a month on 7sage (unfortunately I didn't find this website in time). I'm not satisfied with the score I got the on the June exam, I had only spent two months prior to it getting ready, and am planning to take it again at the end of August. I've already gone over most of the videos available in the course, should I start from scratch or focus more on taking more prep tests and my weaknesses? Any advice would be welcome.

Thank you!

I just got the same score as my diagnostic, been prepping for about a month. My scores seems to fluctuate widely and the logic games section kills me every time. I'm genuinely getting worse and worse at this

Hi everyone,

So I started my LSAT journey 2 months ago and got a 144 diagnostic.

I had this idea in my head (probably ill-founded) that 4 months is all one should need to study if you study close to fulltime.

So I put in 4/5 hours a day for a good month and half and have now upped my efforts to around 6-8 hours a day -this is chiefly due to anxiety about not being prepared for the August test.

We're two months out and I have only completed 65% of the CC (I'm trying to be thorough: BR, Foolproofing LGs etc).

I'm getting pretty anxious because I've only started LG a week ago and while fairly accurate, I'm quite slow at them. Moreover I've seen many people here mention that one should FP the LGs from PT 1-35 before taking PTs and there's no way I have time to do all of that- I could maybe, maybe do half.

Best case scenario I finish the CC and have a month to take PTs. I guess I just wanted to reach out and see if people have seen substantial improvement with only a month of PTing, given they've spent a good amount of time on the fundamentals.

I've signed up for the October test as well just in case, although even then, I've heard a month between takes is too short?

I'd really appreciate any advice!

Hi everyone,

I'm taking an Aug test and need an advice on how to continue studying before the test.

I completed the CC and did 4 untimed PTs with full BR. It takes me somewhere 5-6 days to complete one PT, I translate and write down every stimulus, write down my assumptions and go through every AC in details. With only couple of months left I worry that I won't be able to go through enough PTs if I do one PT a week averagely.

I'm really struggling with the daily schedule. I'm studying 6 days a week, 5-6hrs a day. Should I be doing untimed PTs or should I start timing them? Should I be doing a full PT or just one section at a time? How should I schedule LR, RC, and LG so I spend enough time on each section before the test?

Any advice would be appreciated or if you could share your daily schedule 😊

When you hover over the answer choices, the percentage of people who chose a particular AC and the avg LSAT score of those people appears. How is that intended to be used/how do you use it? As a confidence booster/score predictor/difficulty gauge or what?

TIA!

Hi everyone!

Just curious for anyone who used the loaner tablet to take the LSAT flex what was your experience like?

I have been studying for about 2 months and am still in the LR section of the CC. I am getting nervous as to how much time I will be able to devote to PTs before my exam in August to have a chance to retake before fall 2021 admissions. Approximately how many should be completed and BR before taking an actual test? Does anyone have any advice on getting through the CC quicker, or which sections would be most important to focus on? Any advice in general would be very helpful. Thanks in advance!

Hey all! I have been wanting to search for threads to see what people are saying about the LSAT-FLEX. However, when trying to search for anything related to the FLEX in the search bar, nothing relevant is provided in the search... anyone else having this or a related issue in the discussion search? Thank you!

I was reading the LSAT FAQ on LSAC, and I noticed this statement: "The online, remotely proctored LSAT-Flex tests do not count toward this total as they were administered as an emergency response to the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic." I am a bit unclear on what this means. So if we take 2 LSAT Flex tests, they will not be counted towards the limit of 7 tests in a lifetime?

Here is the link:

https://www.lsac.org/lsat/taking-lsat/lsat-faqs

I am just curious about if we have access to the February 2011 and February 2010 LSATs? Or are certain tests previously administered not available? I am also wondering if LSAC uses some of the test sections that we have available as PrepTests for upcoming LSATs?

Thank you for any response!