I've taken some formal logic classes in the past and am familiar with some of the rules they use. I've really been struggling with parallel reasoning questions so I've returned to studying valid categorical syllogisms. Long story short, I've encountered some areas in formal logic which seem to contradict the lawgic lessons of 7sage.

For example, universal negative propositions (No S is P) can be diagrammed in lawgic S ---> ~P. This form of diagramming and the 7sage lessons imply that P ---> ~S is a valid inference (contraposition). In formal logic, however, this is not a valid form of contraposition. You can contrapose No S is P to infer that some non-P is not non-S (with limitation).

I don't mean to get this deep into formal logic but this contradiction is apparent from even a shallow review of valid syllogism forms.

Am I missing something? Or are there areas on the LSAT that do not conform to formal Aristotelian/Boolean logic?

Is there anyone else that has studied formal logic deeply and successfully applied it to the LSAT?

bummed out! Debating on whether to go through the CC one more time and give it another shot in November. Is it possible to go up 10 -15 points from here to November?

Hey guys,

Do you guys have any tips for what to do during times that you feel like you're stuck in a bad place mentally? I have been suffering with my mental health for a while (generalized anxiety disorder and depression). Are there any tips or routines y'all could share with me? I'd love to know what helps you guys out :)

Hey all,

So I was an acting major in college, completely new to binge study sessions like the ones you need for the GRE and LSAT, however, I studied for around four months and got a 158- Verbal and 154- Q for GRE. Math was my worst subject, so passing the 50th percentile mark was cathartic for me. As I've been studying English and classical texts for the majority of my life, I never really focused on improving that score, since it was already fairly high percentile-wise.

This, now, brings me to the LSAT. If I converted the GRE to the LSAT on ETS' little calculator, I get a score of 161. Now, from what I've been reading, that's a reasonably good score, and qualifies as the mean score for several of the t-35 schools. My GPA was a 3.4 (because acting, amirite?) and I wanted to get anybody's thoughts on whether or not I should study for the LSAT and improve in that regard, or just apply using my GRE score, if 161 would be too high to attain on my own. I haven't done a diagnostic test, but I'm worried that I'll have to study for another four months for the November LSAT or further just to attain a score that's pretty close to the 161 equivalent GRE exam that I took. Thoughts?

Also, If I'm in that range already, which schools seem reasonable to apply for and which would seem like stretch goals? There's so much noise about how to about this fresh, it's making a newbie like myself a bit hesitant in taking a step in any direction.

Personal experiences welcome, brag about it, let me know what you went through!

Best,

Michael

Hi there, I was wondering if anyone has any advice for what I should study 8 weeks out? I have already completed the entire LSAT unlocked handbook by Kaplan, and really just need extra practice on Logic Games, Assumptions and Argument - based questions. I work full time, so I only have 6 to 10 hours a week I can put into studying. Please let me know what you think. Thanks!

I am planning on (re)starting my LSAT studies soon for the November 17th, 2018 LSAT. This will give me about 4-5 months of FULL time studying. With that considered, which package should I buy?

Here is a little background info about myself in case it helps you answer my question.

Cold Diag 138.

Highest PT of 152

Official Score of 147 (studied for about 1 month, was very busy with full time job)

I am aiming for 160-165 , do you all believe this is possible to obtain with 4-5 months of full time studying?

Please feel free to drop any pointers, tips, and pieces of advice that might help me on my 4-5 month study journey.

Thanks all!

Does the LSAC still allow a watch with a non-click rotating bezel?

Hello everybody!

I recently wrote a draft of my diversity statement. I wrote it on being a first generation high school graduate and working my way through college (working on a farm, McDonald's, Mexican restaurant, Marriott hotel, Sears). I worked a bunch!

I shared my diversity statement with a couple of friends in law school and they were confused and asked why I didn't write it on being a Latina or a woman. I don't feel like those two aspects of my background are as important in my development as my first gen status/work experience has been. I could definitely write a story on being a Latina. I went to an all white school most of my childhood and my family would accuse me of acting white when I spoke. (I've read this diversity statement a dozen times from other applicants-doesn't feel new)

What do you all think?

Saw this online and thought I'd share...

You are very lucky and privileged to have access to almost unlimited knowledge and you should appreciate that.

Be one of those rare people who step over their insecurities and succeed.

Only 5 minutes. Only today. (Repeat it 5 minutes later and every day)

You will know what to do as soon as you start. Ideas never appear from inactivity.

Make yourself proud.

One hour every day doesn't feel like much but it's 365 hours a year. You can't not succeed after so much work.

It's not supposed to be easy. Nothing good is easy.

If you had a child to look after, you'd make them study because you want them to accomplish something. Don't you love yourself?

"Everything you want is on the other side of fear" - George Aair

Every mistake increases your chance to make progress.

If you give up now, you'll have to return to this later anyway but from the very beginning.

Let the process be your result.

Every moment you thought your fears would suppress you has become the time you made it.

Maybe you think you can never find something to use your skills and mindset for. But if you continue investing in what matters to you, it will find its way out there.

I allow you to think globally. You have the right to the boldest of dreams.

Hello everyone- I have 1 prof who is writing on of my lors as an academic reference , the school then wants a non academic reference for the second lor . Would it be ok to use a high school teacher providing I volunteered with him in my first year of undergrad. The recent places I worked at were Work study’s so I don’t want a peer to write the lor (they are the supervisors). The same goes for my voulenteer experience. So should I pick a peer supervisor/ coordinator or go with a high school teacher? And I can’t use another prof because they said non academic.

I am new to the 7Sage Community and all the discussion threads are very helpful. I stumbled upon the 7sage by looking for Logic Games explanations and was really impressed. Then after checking the forum and seeing the discussions, I had to join.

My goal was to take the September test and then retake in November and submit my application shortly after (not the best timeline but reasonable). However, due to my work schedule, adjunct course load, and other publishing obligations this past spring I was not able to focus on studying until like May 15th. I finished the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim and my PTs are at 152 and BR 160. I'm starting Logic games fool-proofing for PT 29 -38 and most likely going to do PT 42 -52 as well.

So my question is, what do you guys think if I skip the September Test and take November and February? I would submit my applications after November Test scores and then update it once Feb scores show. I know earlier applications are better but If everything else in my application is concrete would a late cycle application really adversely affect me an Admission decision for Fall 2019?

Thanks

C.Porter

Following off a thread stating that we should be focusing on pts 60-80s for rc ... does the same hold for lr why or why not

I’m trying to determine how much money studying with a tutor will cost me. I understand that they charge by the hour; however, I don’t necessarily know how many hours on average one spends with a tutor. I know this number is probably arbitrary but, if you did use a tutor, about how many hours did you spend with him/her? Thank you!

Hey all,

I was wondering where I can find the prompts to the supplementary essays (specifically for Cornell)? I checked their admissions page but there is only information on the personal statement. Am I looking in the right place/are these prompts only released once apps open in September?

Thanks!

Hey guys,

I am planning to take the July 23rd, 2018 exam. I would really like to get a hold of the copy of the June test if I can.

LSAC tells me that I won't be able to get a copy of the June 2018 test until August.

I am wondering if I can get a pdf copy of the June LSAT with the answer key. If any of you took the test, it should be available to you.

In attempts to get some of this material down to intuition, I've seen a lot of people say they have used flash cards to drill constantly. I have only done this with the logical group indicators even though it was like a folded flip sheet but same thing basically. What else have you all placed on flash cards? I know it's a few other things that I can put to use but I do not want to miss anything! If it can help, I want to apply it to flash cards.

Just started doing the questions from the problem sets. Should I use only the 1:24 time for each question to start out with? Or should I allow myself a longer time, say 2 minutes? Or not time myself at all to start out with?

Hey everyone,

I recently completed the June LSAT and scored a 169. I know it's a good score, but it was under my target of 170, so I've decided to take it again in September before applying in October.

So far I've only studied on my own (that is, without a formal class), using LSAT PrepTest books and the logic games tutorials provided on this website. I've gotten pretty good at logic games, consistently scoring between 0-2. However, I'm less consistent at logical reasoning and reading comprehension. On average, I miss 3 per section, but it can vary between 0-6. I was regularly scoring 170-173 in the timed preptests I took leading up to the June LSAT, but I performed poorly on the reading comprehension section, which led to me scoring below my practice scores.

I'm now considering buying the LSAT Ultimate + course in order to guide my study over the next two months. I can spend 15 hours per week studying for the LSAT. So I'm wondering: is buying the LSAT Ultimate + worth it in terms of nailing down consistency in scoring in the low 170s in LR and RC? And if so, what what you recommend I focus on given the time available to me to study?

my question is : why don't more ppl quit their jobs to study for the LSAT -- if they are financially able to do so?

i understand that for many ppl, they need to work to pay off loans, living expenses, etc (which are all reasons to do have a job). But I'm more asking for those who have enough savings, family support, etc (where finances would not be a problem).

I'm in favor of part-time work and volunteering when full-time studying for the LSAT (much needed mental breaks is important). But what I'm really confused is why people with demanding 60-hour a week jobs who can't get enough LSAT studying in don't just quit their jobs to study for the LSAT?

the LSAT is the most important part of your application. It's like weighted 4-5 times more than your GPA.

If someone has military experience, tons of prestigious extracurricular activities and awards, and other additional amazing work experiences, but has a 150 LSAT score, it's going to be really tough to get into a t14 law school.

Contrast that to a K-JD candidate who has no work experience but a 175 LSAT score -- who will most likely get into many if not most of the T14.

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A 170+ LSAT score can literally change your life -- and save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. It will allow you attend a T14 law school and open up many many doors to you --BigLaw, federal clerkships, etc. Many T-20 law schools will also give you full scholarships worth up to $200,000 for a 170+ LSAT score.

Given how important the LSAT is, why don't more people devote themselves to it? The expected rate of return for a 170+ LSAT score and its impact it'll have on saving you money (potentially 200k) and opening up doors for you is MUCH MORE than working as paralegal making 30k a year and not having enough time to adequately prep for the LSAT.

We all know how much work the LSAT takes. Many ppl do upwards of 60 PT's before they take the real test.

Why do people settle for less and allow a 50-hour a week paralegal job (for example) prevent them from reaching their goals?

Financially, those 50 hours are much more valuable when used studying for the LSAT (considering how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you'll potentially save with a 170+ Lsat score)

I’ve already taken it and was wondering if I should take a diagnostic before starting to study again or if I could rely on my last official LSAT score as my diagnostic. It was last month’s administration so very recent. Thank you!

This is a somewhat off topic post, but I recently decided to check out Stanford's free online philosophy encyclopedia (plato.stanford.edu) and found it to be a tremendous resource. It contains a staggering amount of posts on theories/thinkers ranging from antiquity to now (there's a ton of material for any nerds of legal theory) and, considering some of the subject matter, is written in a clear and understandable way. If you ever have some spare time and are even remotely interested I'd recommend checking it out at some point

Hello, I just finished my CC, took 36, 37, and improved 10 points from the last PT of another company (Smh on my poor bank account...). I am still aiming to improve much more until September...

Anyways, I've improved greatly on LG and RC, but not too much on LR. I am continually doing BR right after the timed PTs.

My study schedule says I should be taking 3-4 PTs a week... I don't think this is very realistic and effective.

I'm taking time off from literally everything, but with BR, I may be able to squeeze in 3 PTs, but for sure, 2 solid PTs.

My ultimate goal is to take the September exam, but I'll also be taking the one in July.

I believe these two are my available options:

If so, how many, and which ones to skip over?

or

If so, also, how many per week?

Also, if you have any suggestions in terms of improving LR, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm thinking that I should just go back to the CC and look for drills for those sections...

Thank you!!

Hi!

I've started my 7Sage course this week and I've just finished up until learning how to BR. I guess the serious business only starts after that.

I'm registered for the October LSAT in Abu Dhabi (hence the odd date) and aiming for a 170+. I did a diagnostic from Khan Academy and got a 150.

With barely 3 months to study, do you have tips on how to best optimize my studying? Initially I thought of spending 2 months on the CC and then PT-ing in the month to follow.

Also I'll add, I realise that I am studying at an extremely slow pace, slower than the time stamps next to each topic :(

I don't know...please help!

I took the September 2017 LSATs after almost a year's worth of studying with the Kaplan LSAT prep. I was devastated after scoring a 155, because I felt that the score did not reflect the amount of energy and dedication I poured into studying for the LSATs. I had to stop studying for a couple months because of the sheer disappointment and lack of confidence I felt. I decided to try 7sage after my friend recommended it. I didn't have much hope for it because I would only have 4 months of studying for the June LSATs (started studying with 7sage on Jan). During and even after the exam I didn't feel so hot but I ended up with a 166. I know many people here have scored much higher but I was so elated and happy with my score. I credit it to 7sage and the 7sage community, hope everyone who took their June LSATs are happy with their scores as well. I just wanted to say if I improved, anyone has the potential to.

I just finished the causation and phenomenon portion of the course. For the most part I understand the concepts, but I was only averaging 4/5 correct on the problem sets. Should I take the time now to review these types of questions or is it best to just continue through the course?