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So a few of us moms and dads got together the other day to hang while our kids played. We were talking LSAT and apparently one of my mom friends is really good at logic. They were all interested in an LSAT question since I keep saying how hard the test is so I complied and chose a 4 star SA question. Would you believe my friend answered that question in about 20 seconds and got it right!! Talk about feeling shitty and stupid at the same time! I couldn't even diagram it. My friend is also a scientist and has a PhD so she's just smart all around. Ah well - I told her she needs to take the test for me, lol. Love her and wish I had her brains. Do you have a friend like that? Ok, back to work.

I've been studying since September and I've just hit a wall. I tried to do another PT today but I got so antsy that I couldn't focus, I lost like 10 minutes on one question because I was so out of it, and paced my room rigorously like a mad person. I know everyone says to take a break if you feel burnt out but this is 2 weeks before the LSAT and I'm worried I don't really have time to relax or take a break; I still have stuff to work on/drill and I need to get better with time constraints.

What do you guys recommend doing when you have bad burnout this close to an exam?

I apologize if this has already been answered but I could really use some clarification. I have searched through the forums many times and cannot seem to find a definitive answer on whether or not you should be timing your problem sets. I am about 80% through the CC for LR and I have not timed any problem sets. For many question types I have only done every other problem set to find my strengths and weaknesses so I still have plenty I can do timed. Unless I missed JY mentioning the time for problem sets somewhere in the CC, I have not seen anything about how long each set should take us. Currently, I am mainly focusing on understanding the questions types and how to properly answer them than I am the time, however I am wondering how long I should be timing each one.

I am also getting all of my materials ready for drills and I have the same question about timing. For the question types I struggle with I go through the question bank and use PTs 1-44. I plan on using PTs 45-59 for drills and I plan on taking PTs 60-83. I feel like in general I have a good plan but I am so confused on how long I should be timing each question. Anyone know this information or can point me to where it is located?

Aloha everyone!

Please join me for a night of PT 83 RC at 7 p.m. EST on Thursday, February 1.

We will be applying 7Sage's RC strategies and techniques to the newest RC section on the market. I will also share some of the RC insights that I have picked up from taking every single RC section multiple times and from tutoring. At the end of the session, I will also answer any RC questions you might have.

Who is this session for?

This session is primarily for February test takers who want to reinforce their understanding of RC and see 7Sage's strategies in action. June test takers may also want to attend. However, you might also want to save PT 83 for later in your studies.

How do I prepare?

Please take PT 83 and BR it. Ultimate+ users can access this test here: https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/preptest-83/. Other users can purchase the test here: https://classic.7sage.com/addons/.

Please do not look at the correct answers. We want to think about the questions and really reason through them, which is best done when you don't know the correct answers.

Finally, make sure you have the test in front of you. Because this is a new test, I will not be sharing my screen (test).

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Since a necessary assumption is something that must be true in order for the argument to succeed, does that mean that a necessary assumption question is the same as a MBT question? We the people need answers

Hey all,

The past few PT's I've written have been encouraging and well within what I'm hoping to score in Feb. (166 on PT 78, 165 on PT 69, 164 on PT 71, 164 on PT 76). A couple weeks ago I scored a 160 on PT 72 and today I scored a 162 on PT 79. I'm hoping the 160 was an outlier because I felt sort of groggy that day, but at the same time I don't want to be making excuses for myself. And as for today's PT, I'm concerned that it dropped a 2 full points from what I was scoring prior to that.

Are small drops like this relatively normal and not a cause for concern if I'm aiming for 163-164?. I probably shouldn't be stressing too hard about my PT scores anyway because I know what I know at this point lol. Just wondering if anyone has words of wisdom to pass along to ease my anxiety haha!! (Also if it's relevant to know, I scored a 161 on the Dec.2017 LSAT).

In the meantime, I should probably be meditating and momentarily erasing everything about the LSAT from my mind, I can't wait for Feb. 10th to be done.

Thx for reading and good luck to everyone writing in Feb! :)

Hello :)

I've been studying full time since Aug 2017. Studied about 7-8 hours, 6 days a week. I think I rested like 5 days in total. lol

Anyways, I started with 144 and the 3 recent tests I've taken in the past few weeks are:

PT 76(159): LR : -6, -8 LG: -8 RC -7

PT 72 (161): LR : -3, -8 LG: -6 RC: -9

PT 69 (158): LR : -4, -8 LG -8 RC: -10

So basically I don't have any strong section and I need improvement in EVERYTHING...! I guess my "best" section is LR, only by a little. This is frustrating because I worked on LG the hardest. I worked on daily about 3 hrs just doing LG since Nov. I've been foolproofing 20-35 and I've foolproofed some later ones as well. But when I take timed sections, I am still able to attempt about 3 games. Surprisingly... When I BR, I can get mid to high 170s. The highest BR score was 178.

So it seems like I know the concepts necessary to take the exam, but I just can't do the questions on time.

My goal is to get 165+ but this seems very far-fetched at the moment.

I guess I'm slowly getting unmotivated & exhausted because I'm studying full-time yet seeing very slow progress. I've been stuck in mid to high 150s since October..!!

I'm registered for the Feb test, but because some parts of me already thinks that I won't get a good score in the Feb test, I feel extremely unmotivated to prep for it in the next 2 weeks. Because I probably can't really improve a lot from the scores I've been getting... So I'm planning to take June and Sept test... In my head, I know that I will improve if I continue to study. But as of now, I'm tired and lost as to what/how to study. After the Feb test, I think I need to re-plan my studying but I don't know where to begin... because I don't have any strong sections.

thanks for reading my rant... ^^;;

Hey Everyone. So I've particularly been having trouble increasing my score for LR. I'm getting -10 to -13 and I feel really hopeless. Can someone perhaps give me some tips on how they are approaching studying for LR for better results

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Hello everyone,

I took 3 pts so far and my score have been the same (154).

Hello,

I just went to a pre-law advisor in order to have my essays and resume reviewed. I have done quite extensive research beforehand on how to write them and what to include. The, very nice guy, told me to delete half of my resumé and not to include things like interests, or Dean's list; while sipping coffee from a blue Cooley Law cup. I hoped he would give me some valuable advice, but I have a gut feeling not to follow most of his revisions.

My question is: I only have one more person who can read my essays. Are any of you willing to read and help me proof read them?

English is not my first language and I'm aware I make a lot of mistakes I can't catch myself.

Did you not continue on in the CC until you mastered the section?

I'm going back through the CC again after not taking it seriously last year.

I'm in the Most Strongly Support LR section right now. I'm halfway through the problem sets. I was doing well -0 in the first half of the problem sets. Now on the harder 3+ star problem sets I have been missing one on each problem set.

Should I be drilling MSS questions once I am done with the CC problem sets? Missing 1/5 questions doesn't sound too good

Is there an ultimate goal here in how many questions I get wrong or is this just about the learning process and getting acquainted with just figuring out argument structure...

I just want to go into this with the right mindset so when I start taking PTs after the CC I'm not making mistakes because I didn't 100% understand something from the CC. But I also don't want to take forever on the CC.

I was just checking out some “LSAT watches” as they have a bezel with marks going from 0-35. I know some watches such as those with chronographs have been banned, however this appears to be a traditional watch only with LSAT section length bezel. I thought this could prove helpful, because honestly I can hardly tell time let alone breath when taking certain sections.

Hi all. First time posting, so if i do/say something obnoxious, please spare me.

I self studied for the lsat for about 8 months (from february till the past september) and took the september lsat. I was also stupid during this time and decided to take the june test when I wasnt prepared at all and was way overconfident in my abilities (When i took the test, my average was probably a 170, but that was a 170 average by taking only 4 section tests instead of 5 section ones, and practicing without bubbling (which can cost over a minute a section)). In the end, I also wasn't feeling so well on the test day and I got a 163. Obviously that sucks, but I totally understand the 7 point drop from my average, simply because that was a very inflated average score and i wasnt able to perform at 100%.

During my time studying, i had a bunch of ups and downs, but by the end (as in, between july and september), i was consistently scoring in the 175+ range. I had used almost all the powerscore materials, had been using 7sage stuff, and had used up basically almost all the preptests. When it came to the test though, my score ended up being a 167.

Now, i know that your score drops a few points from your average, but my average for my last 10 tests was at least a 176.

I don't know where I went wrong on the test because it was a sabbath observer test and can't see my mistakes.

If I had to guess i'd say I got a pretty good score on LR (I finished both of those sections with a couple of minutes remaining), missed a couple of points on games (the last problem was seriously hard), and I know that RC felt super super difficult and I barely understood a word of some of the passages, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that was the section that got me.

My question is this:

I want to retake to actually hit my potential (or at least get close to it) - how should i study for it again?

To be honest, It's hard to locate specific weaknesses I have, because on practice tests I've gotten even 180s before. I just want to get to the point where even on test day, that 180 practice can turn into a 180 (or even 173) on the test.

It's not that I have anxiety when i take the real test, or anything like that - which makes it harder to solve the problem**. I just want to be able to get to the point where absolutely no matter what is thrown at me, I can make sure to hit very close to my average score.**

That all being said - how should i study? Should I get a tutor? Would a tutor be able to help me (seeing that I already know the concepts really well). I need more of a study technique and study plan thatll get me to the point to translate my practice scores into real scores.

ANY and ALL help is really really appreciated.

[also, side note: I was satisfied with my score and even applied to a bunch of law schools this past october, but over time i realized i'd come to regret not reaching my potential (after all, it could save a bunch of money down the line), and i wanted to work anyway].

In the example “All lions like to nap. Most lions like to eat meat. Therefore, some animals that like to eat meat also like to nap.”

I’m a little confused how we go from lions specifically to animals in general?

Hey everyone,

I just got done with my INDIVIDUAL Georgetown interview. I thought it would be helpful if I laid out my experience so people may learn from it, or in case you have a Georgetown interview coming up soon!

So first, in case you were wondering, it went really well for me. Like really really well. Like extraordinarily well :smile:

Here are my "situational" takeaways:

1. It was very informal

You should still wear a suit, but the interview itself was not structured at all. In fact, when my interviewer walked in (after a brief banter about the ties we were wearing) he explicitly said "This interview is very informal, so don't be stressed."

2. It was "so I could learn more about Georgetown."

In fact he never said it was so Georgetown could learn more about me. It honestly felt more like he was selling me on Georgetown than I was selling myself to Georgetown.

3. It was so they could make sure I was a human being.

In fact, my interviewer explicitly said that. They want to make sure that you aren't just a great resume and numbers, but can actually be social and like, you know, talk to people :smile:

Here are my suggestions of how to prepare:

1. Know your resume.

Be prepared to discuss the jobs you held and what roles you played (informally). My interviewer talked through some of the jobs I held and asked me about what my role was. He asked me about my time working on a presidential campaign, and I talked through my general responsibilities. Additionally, he asked me about my time interning for an appellate court. *He asked me about the procedure of how appellate cases were decided. I recommend that if you have any law-related experience on your resume, you should work hard to remember the specifics of what you did. Afterall, you'll be interviewing with (presumably) a lawyer and they will know the topic in depth.

---1a. If there are any atypical things on your resume, be prepared to discuss them.

----------For example, I transferred from one school to another after my freshman year. Just be able to come up with a coherent reason why you did the thing you did. If you transferred, I highly recommend you have a more compelling story than "I just didn't like my old school." You should be able to discuss at length why you did X, Y, or Z.

2. Be a good conversationalist.

As I said before, this interview was NOT formal. It was NOT my interviewer reading from a list of questions and jotting down notes. Instead, it was a conversation. That being said, you should be good at small talk. If they bring up their children it's not bad to ask about their age, what college they go to, etc. It's not bad to ask questions either, and you should ask questions throughout, since there is no formal "Q and A" portion of the interview. Just smile and be friendly and open, and don't be scared to go down a relevant tangent every now and again (me and my interviewer talked about felony disenfranchisement for 10ish minutes).

3. Bring questions! AND LOTS OF THEM!

And these don't have to be super specific questions either! Just ask what their experience was like at Georgetown, what the professors were like, what was the student community like, etc. Also as said above, just ask questions throughout the interview since there is no Q and A. The interview will be more like a conversation, and it's good if you have questions ready to be able to fill the awkward lulls and transition to new topics.

----3a. Ask questions about your interviewer's experience

-----------I feel like this is just a good interviewing tip. Someone once told me "people rarely remember what you say, but they remember how you made them feel." It makes people feel good to talk about themselves, so let them :smile:

4. Be prepared to answer soft-ball questions.

Like your typical ones: why law? what field of law are you interested in? I wasn't explicitly asked a question about "why Georgetown?" but I'd be prepared to give that answer too. I had no hard-ball questions though. Nothing like "what was a stressful situation you were in and how did you get out of it?" type questions.

All in all, my Georgetown interview process was really nice. Congruent with what others have said before, its very informal and felt more like they were selling me Georgetown than I was selling myself.

If you have an individual interview, it's probably a good sign! It felt more like a gateway than a test for admission. One pre-law advisor said that among individuals who received an individual Georgetown interview, 75% are admitted. So if you got an individual interview, just sit back, relax, and be yourself! So long as, you know, "yourself" is a cool person :smile:

Anyone taking it there in a few days?

Hi,

I took my first practice test last week and received roughly a 162-3. This was my first experience with the lsat in any form. I was very pressed for time on the lg section, but I finished the others with about 13 minutes left. I missed about the same number of questions on each section. I’ve already improved signifcantly on the lg section as a result of the 7sage curriculum, but my other scores haven’t made the same jump. I have time to review those sections but it hasn’t seemed to help. Will it be possible for me to get up to a 173 by this summer?

I know last minute you won’t make huge gains, but what are people’s study strategies before February test date??

I’ve been doing PTs every other day, and the other days section work. I know which question types I typically get wrong - should I instead be drilling those? I’ve been consistently scoring between 156-159 but today’s PT I got a 150...I’m afraid I’m backtracking. Any ideas or anyone else feeling like this??

Anyone else having trouble printing this PT? Never had an issue before.

I am having a technical issue. I was trying to ask a question under my test pretest 36 dec 2001. But for some reason when I type it goes to the answer choices I selected, not allowing me to actually write a note. For instance, I tried to write "technical" however, when I got to select "e" it would go to the answer choices above and did not allow me to write any full words at all.

Can someone please tell me if I am doing something wrong or is this just a glitch?

I am curious if anyone knows whether there is a way to request a switch of the PTs released with each upgrade? If I'm planning on eventually upgrading to Ultimate + after first upgrading to Ultimate, it would be much more beneficial to have the earlier PTs (released only in Ultimate +) first since I just finished the CC and would like to start fool proofing logic games 1-35.. The PTs gained from upgrading to Ultimate are pretty much useless until much later in preparation (after FPing and earlier PTs).

Is there someone we can email to request a "swap" of Ultimate and Ultimate +'s PTs?

I’m under the impression that schools emailing you to apply are doing so just to get there apps up, and therefore, have a lower admittance rate (although it’s obviously a business that needs attendees, too). I haven’t really given it much thought until I got an email from Harvard today. Any thoughts?

I have this big worry that I peaked and I am not getting better but worse. Looking at my analytics shows this and I don't know how to get out of this slump before Feb 10! Any tips?