Hi Everyone,

I started my LSAT prep with the LSAT Trainer and it's been a tremendous help. Over the course of doing drills and searching for explanations for correct answers online, I eventually came across 7Sage and found this awesome resource!

Many of you in the community seem to advocate for pairing the Trainer and 7Sage together. I def concur.

However, as I've been going through the CC, it seems JY recommends learning with material pre PT36 and then taking PTs for the next 50 plus LSATs.

My question is, Mike Kim's drills mostly come from PTs 52-60. If I drill with those, then technically, I would lose those 'PT opportunities' that JY recommends. Obviously, PTs are very precious and I don't want to waste them. But I'm also of the belief that there's no reason to start taking full PTs until I develop a solid enough understanding.

Did any of you run into this dilemma? How did you decide to navigate and what would you recommend I do?

FYI: I'm taking the test in June '18 so I still have 22 weeksish to go. Was planning to learn for a few more weeks then drill/PTs for the last 16 weeks or so.

Thanks in advance!!

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Hello,

I'm posting this to get some of you guys' recommendation about the best way to make use of my available time to improve on my LSAT. Since my classes will not start until January 16, I have a lot of time to study for the LSAT.

Just a little background, I'll be taking the LSAT on Feb 10 and I've been averaging around 168 on my PTs. I am aiming to get 173+ on my LSAT.

Here's what I've been doing everyday:

Here's some questions I have:

Should I keep doing one PTs everyday, or is this an inefficient way to improve my score?

So, I know that JY recommends doing at most 3 PTs in a week, but I don't find myself getting burnt out doing one everyday, so I don't see any reason why I should stop doing this if it will help me improve. But I'd like to have some of you guys' opinion on this. I currently still have 20 PTs available to do.

How to improve my LR section? I currently average around -2 to -4. Should I just continue to do many many questions and review?

For LG, I've been doing the "Fool Proof" method recommended in the curriculum (redo all LGs that I missed, multiple times until I mastered it). I'll also be reading the powerscore LG soon. Any other tips?

How would you approach improving your score if you have a lot of time available?

Thank you very much!

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I've been studying for the LSAT since June and I'm taking the Feb test for a third and final time. I need guidance to a hard core study schedule. Not sure where to begin, honestly. My weak area is LG but, there's definitely room for improvement in LR. Thank you!

Anyone sent any petition out to law schools for taking the feb lsat? if so how did it go?

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I took the December test, and prepped with the Powerscore Bibles. I'm retaking the test in Feb and am using 7 Sage now (and rereading Powerscore Bibles). Obviously time is an issue. Is reading the LSAT Trainer worthwhile at this point? Will there be much key advice that is 7sage or Powerscore doesn't touch on. I am studying like a lunatic right now and can squeeze it in. Just not sure if it's worth it. As always, any advice would be MUCH appreciate.

I applied to HLS with 25% LSAT and received an interview request. HLS later in the admissions cycle clarified that people who have taken both LSAT and GRE report both (even though it wasn't stated at the time of submitting application).

I took GRE couple of years ago cold not for LS. Since I assume interview is a positive sign, i am unsure and concerned that reporting sub-par GRE that I took without prep will negatively impact my application, esp as my LSAT is already below median and the feather that could tilt the scale.

GRE score is: 163 v (93%), 167 q (94%), 5.5 aw (95%)

Those who applied HLS with GRE scores, can you share the stats and how bad this GRE would be esp as their median LSAT is 99%?

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I'm looking for a study buddy or two in the Sacramento area. We can meet for coffee and discuss strategies :)

Just wondering if anyone created a list of the logical indicators and the 4 groups they belong in? Thanks

Hi friends -

I wanted to follow up on a question I posted a couple of months ago, about what comes after the CC. I'm now close to the end of the Core Curriculum. Well, actually...I still have most of the Logic Games curriculum ahead of me, but I've had prior exposure to a very similar methodology for Games, so I'm hoping to cover the lessons in about 2 weeks' time.

However, I am still a little uncertain about how to best go about the Drilling / Timed Sections phase after the CC. Here's what I'm thinking:

Logic Games:

-Despite what I wrote above about prior exposure, I know this will be my weakest section when it comes time for drilling. I'm going to need tons of practice.

-I was thinking that I can Foolproof about one PT section per day (PTs 1-35) until I feel like I "own the games," as JY puts it. I'm estimating that this might take say, about 4 hours per day.

-Additionally, redo a previous PT section that I've already Foolproofed, to make sure I can still do it (maybe another 35-60 minutes)

-Questions: What do y'all think about the aforementioned approach? And as I get more comfortable, should I move from Foolproofing to doing timed sections, before I start doing full-length PTs (36 onward)?

LR:

-Simultaneously, while working on the LG Foolproofing, I can do the LR Drills for PTs 1-9 that 7Sage provides in the Ultimate course.

-Question: Should I do timed sections after this first set of drills, before I start PTing?

-Question: Should I save the LR Drills for PTs 10 onward for my BR/PT phase?

RC:

This seems to be my best section thus far. I was thinking of doing a timed PT section per day (PTs 1-35) while Foolproofing LG and working on LR Drills.

Of course, this would probably require about 7 hours of training per day.

Then, once this phase is complete, I was thinking of doing two PTs per week in two 3-day cycles: -Day 1: PT or full-length exam

-Day 2: BR and score + review video explanations

-Day 3: Drill weaknesses

Question: Any thoughts on this PT/BR schedule?

Would love to hear what folks think about this plan -- and what's worked well for you as you've pursued the drilling and testing phases of this journey.

Tagging @"Alex Divine" and @Mellow_Z since both of you offered excellent responses to my earlier post :)

Many thanks! This community is just awesome, and I'm thrilled to be a 7Sager.

Hi all, after taking in some words of advice from the 7sagers I have decided to take my fourth LSAT (yikes), knowing that my previous scores were far below my potential and that it would be a waste not take advantage of my relatively high GPA that I really worked hard for in college.

Now that I've made the hard decision, I'm a little lost as to how I should go about studying... If my PTs were around 173-174 but actual score 166, I believe that some of my fundamentals were shaky, but since my 7sage materials have all expired (happily thinking that my December would be my last LSAT ever), I'm not sure where I should turn to. I'm also not sure how I should approach PTs because I've pretty much seen all the PTs at least once, and am scared that just a more thorough BR would be insufficient to guarantee a higher score on my next exam. I've skimmed through my past BR notes/scrapbook to see where I was lacking when I went into the December exam, but I can't really get a good sense of my specific weaknesses (other than, being weak in NA/flaw questions, conditional arguments in general)... I'm so lost as to where I should begin...

Anyone have some words of wisdom for me?! :(

Hi 7Sage -

I live rurally, so I'm looking for some people to study with on Skype or hangouts. I'm scoring around 170. Scorers below or above that are welcome, we can help each other review/go through problems and questions together. If anyone's interested hit me and we can coordinate. Flexible and eager to teach and learn!

Thanks and good luck! (3(/p)

Hey all - I go back and forth on how I will realistically study and get my school work done when I start law school. I have a 7 and 4 year old and sometimes the "guilty mom" feelings creep in. My husband is supportive and said he would help out so long as we cut our budget since I won't be working during school. I just wonder, that even with his help, how much quality time will I really be spending with my kids? Going to school would mean very little to no after-school activities - at least for a little while. Guilt. It may mean someone else doing their homework with them and not me. Guilt. I want to go to law school so bad but is it worth it at the expense of my kids?? The guilt! This sucks.

So, I was wondering how the other moms and dads are doing it or will do it. Any advice or motivation are really appreciated.

Also,

Since my last post, I got quite a few messages regarding specific questions, thought it'd be nice to just share it here with anyone who's interested, or if any of you have any follow up questions.

Timing

I started at the end of July, and took the December test, so the prep time for me is roughly 4 months. To be honest I think it's a bit tight, but because I was already 3 months pregnant and would definitely want to finish the test before my January due date, so I was left no choice. If possible, I think I'd budget for at least 6 months.

Core Curriculum

I started out using the LSAT study schedule generated by 7Sage and used that as a guideline. I finished core curriculum in 1 month and started timed PTs in September.

During the CC, I followed every single course and exercises in the LR and LG session, but only selected about 50% of the RC part. As I said, my timing was pretty tight, and honestly I think to improve RC, just following the courses won't be enough any way. So I moved into timed PTs after getting myself familiar with the types of questions that appears often in RC.

For LR, something I find extremely useful is to collect all the questions I did wrong, or those I believe contained important implication for future reference, making a scrapbook out of them with detailed analysis. When writing the analysis, it's like I'm re-doing it. And also, as the test date got closer, it'd be great last-minute reading materials.

PTs and Follow-up Exercises

So based on my course package, I started with PT 36 and I do 3-4 PTs per week, depending on if I have weekend plans :) Doing timed PT is pretty standard I think, and of course BR is very important. I usually do the BR right after, so 1 PT would take up my full day schedule.

On the days I'm not PTing, I do the following things:

Score Trend and The Last Month

My first timed PT was PT36 and I scored 165; and I didn't really get my first breakthrough till PT51 when I got my first 170. I think my repetitive exercise between PTs was making a difference because my performance in LG has been stable, and RC has always been hit or miss depending on if there's any topics that I'm extremely uncomfortable with lol, but as soon as I started to get less than -3 in LR, my score showed major improvement.

That's why moving into the last month, I decided to make sure I can have stable LRs during the actual test. I started to re-do LRs from PT 36 to PT 50, in which I was having -4 to -8 in those sections.

In retrospect, I think this practice, plus my scrapbook, definitely contributed a lot to my proficiency with LR. In the actual December test, I scored -0 and -1 respectively in the 2 LR sections.

The last week and What If....

The last week was pretty rough for me as I did the last 3 PTs, and got both very high and very low score. I scored a 166 that almost wrecked my confidence, but thankfully got a 176 in the September PT, which gave me a bit last minute comfort.

I had major nerve issue the night before, and was literally up all night. I think part of the 3rd trimester pregnancy was also a negative factor for me as the baby started moving and kicking real hard during these late days. But I think my adrenalin and New York's chilling winter was high enough to keep me awake.

I'm generally pretty happy with how it turned out, but as I said, if I could have more time, I'd definitely work harder on RC. I got lucky this time because I did just ok with RC in the test (-4), which was average for me. My RC performance has always been unstable, I sometimes can make -1, but sometimes can go as high as -7; Improving RC was really difficult, and I don't think I have much to say in this area, but if you have enough time, definitely spend more energy on it.

Ok, I think I've been rambling a lot. I don't know if these things would be helpful for anyone. But feel free to leave any questions in the comment and I'll make sure to try my best to give some input.

Thanks again 7Sage and JY, this journey wouldn't turn out so great without you guys!

I know my LR question types and strategy for them pretty well, but when i do PT LR sections i screw so many up! I often don't get to finish the last few questions either. Now the interesting part is that upon blind review im able to get the vast majority of these questions right, without taking forever. It's as if my brain doesnt fully abrosb what its reading when im doing tests!

If you have experienced something like this, please enlighten me on how you overcame it!

Hey everyone,

I stumbled across 7Sage after it was mentioned in an LSAT curriculum I've been using. I've since been using the free trial and have been really impressed with the techniques and sense of community. Consequently, I've been flirting with upgrading to the Ultimate grade in order to continue developing my skills. At the same time, I've been looking at some other online courses that offer one-on-one guidance, which I suspect would be helpful in terms of accountability to make sure that my score continues to increase (currently, I'm usually scoring around 163-166 on my PTs). I've been studying for the LSAT since November, and I'm hoping to break the 170 threshold on the June test.

While I wouldn't consider myself to be lazy or a procrastinator, I know from when I completed my undergrad that I always excel in settings where camaraderie pushes me to be better. All that beings said, do people have some thoughts on whether they have found the 7Sage curriculum/community to push them to be consistent in their prep?

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Hi Friends!

I am hoping for some advice.

My situation: I am a college senior who, due to unforeseen circumstances, only completed 1/2 of the CC last summer and hasn't looked at 7sage since September. Admittedly, I also struggled with the sheer volume of the problem sets in the Ultimate+ curriculum, which were exhausting and took hours to review. My diagnostic score was a 155, and with nearly all my wrong answers coming from LG, my goal is to score a 170+ on the June exam.

With all that said, I was wondering if any 7sagers could offer some advice as to my next steps. I have considered the following options:

1- Re-start the CC, doing less problem sets and only skimming material I've previously covered.

2 - Because 7sage encourages longer studying periods than ~ 5 months, I am tempted to go to Kaplan/PR who have 3-month models, and use 7sage as a supplement.

3 - Begin where I left off and review the CC if weaknesses arise when PTing, especially since my primary focus is LG.

Does anyone have thoughts on what I should do? Any of the above/something else? I am open to any advice (within reason lol). I know my goal is ambitious, but I'm going to try! Thank you :)

Hi I'm looking for a study buddy, maybe working together 1-2 times a week (more, if it works!). I'm sitting for the June 2018 LSAT. Preferably looking to study via Skype. Send me a DM with your studying so far, schedule, score goals, etc if you're interested.

Is there a minimum amount of sections needed to “foolproof?” My type A is kicking in and I’m considerig fullproofing 50 plus logic sections. But is that much “needed?” I know obviously the more the better but I need to balance the other sections in time for the feb 10 test. Are there particular games, like pt 1-35 that are best to foolproof? Lastly, what is he Pacifico method? Thanks a lot. I feel lost with this ☹️

Hey everyone,

After completely bombing my September LSAT, I headed into December with more determination than ever and scored a 161 (10 points above what I scored in September!). Obviously that's huge progress and I was pretty happy, but I was aiming for 163 (and had been scoring around that range), so I knew that I would have to re-write in Feb. and squeeze out a few extra points. My LG on December was -3, but I've normally been going -0/-1, LR was -16 and RC was -7 so I know there's a lot of areas I can be targeting in order get 2-3 more questions right in February.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I should proceed these next 5 weeks? The biggest mistake I made in September was burning myself out, and in December I couldn't sleep the night before.. so I'm hoping to resolve both those issues and head into February with a clear, rested mind. Would it be wise to maybe do 6-7 PTs and focus heavily on reviewing, and drilling LR/RC when necessary? Any tips would be appreciated to ensure I conquer the LSAT and never have to face it again :)