Hi

So I asked my professor to write a letter and she said yes, but until I take the test she will not write one for me...

Does this happen to you?

Because if after the test, it takes a month to see the result and if she starts to write a letter after that it will take more time.

In fact, the other day when I asked her she said she may not be able to write depending on the deadline.

so...when should I ask her then?

I'm not even sure when I will take the test...

Hi

So I think I know the fundamentals of LR but I still miss questions on the ones that I should not have missed...

I do choose very carefully when I do timed-test...why does this happen???

I do review throughout after taking the test but this continues for months and I feel very disappointed...

People say it takes time to see improvement but why?

If you know fundamentals, shouldn't you see improvements very soon??

If not, doesn't that mean you still do not understand the basics?

I don't know whether my way of reviewing is not good or it just takes time or...just frustrating...

Hey,

I recently ordered practice 79 but it doesn't look like its going to ship in time for me to receive it by the December 3rd LSAT DATE. Are there any games similar to the virus game that I can use to prepare for a game like that?

So I'm taking the December LSAT and I'm stressing super hard because I still can't get the timing aspect of the test down. I have the concepts down enough to score relatively well when doing a blind review of my PT but when it comes down to the real deal I don't do nearly as well. My most recent example is that I scored a 152 timed, but after a blind review of my PT, my new calculated score would have been a 165, which for where I'm aiming I'd be perfectly okay with scoring on the real test. I have underlying diagnosed anxiety problems which I'm now starting to find out may be affecting me more than I previously thought especially with LR. I feel like my anxiety makes me focus on the time in my head too much which in turn messes up my focus in deeply grasping the stimulus, but I obviously am way too late to seek any type of accommodations for the December sitting. I don't even know what to ask tips on, but does anyone have tips on I guess how to kind of push the timing pressure aside or even what you have seen helps you focus better on the questions?

When I first started studying for the LSAT in June of this year, I went -12 on my LG diagnostic. After dredging through a BluePrint course for three months, I was not seeing any improvement, despite my drilling and constant practice. Nothing clicked. The supposed "easiest section to improve on" was not the case for me, and I was in total disbelief when people told me "You'll eventually enjoy logic games." It didn't make sense because, well, it's really hard to enjoy something you're terrible at!

At the beginning of October, I found out about 7sage through TLS and started tuning in. I signed up for the core curriculum exclusively for JY's advice. I took the time to go through all of the Lawgic materials. I took it seriously when JY said things like "If you don't understand this, you need to go back to the (x) section and review your fundamentals" before listening to the explanations. After a month of review, I started doing LG again. I drilled and practiced like an animal, fool proofed games, tracked my timing, and filled an entire notebook.

I accomplished my first -0 on LG on PT 59. Yesterday, I went -0 on PT 78. Now LG and I are friends.

@"J.Y. Ping" Thank you!

Sorry to be melodramatic, but all of life is hopeless and I want to die. Just kidding, at least about the dying part, but I need some advice about to what to do.

I just walked away from PT 79 (SPOILER, I'm going to discuss the order of the sections) in the middle of the RC section - which is usually my best section. I didn't feel like the RC section or the LR section before it was any more difficult than any other PT, but I just felt like my mind was in a haze. I was moving much slower than usual and felt like I wasn't comprehending what I was reading.

Some background - I went to bed early last night, slept well, got up early, exercised, ate breakfast, had coffee, warmed up with half of a LR section and 2 easy Logic Games. I felt confident - I really felt like this was the day I would get a 170. I have done well (for me) on my last 5 PT with an average of 164.8 (166,166,167,162,163). I took a timed, proctored PT 73 last Saturday under test-day conditions and I didn't do as well as I had been doing (163). This damaged my confidence some, but I attributed the score to nerves which caused me to choke on the LG section. But that's always my worst section. I normally get -2/-3 on RC and LR and today I felt like I was choking on those!

So, what do I do? Don't say postpone. I know it's good advice, but my situation is different than most of you and I have to take the test on Saturday. I'm taking advantage of the University of Oklahoma's "early entry" program and I need a score to finish my application. I can retake in Feb and even June for scholarship purposes, and my lowest score is still in the top 25% for OU. Do I take a day or two off? Is this just regular burnout or something else?

Hey there,

Anyone have any suggestions on where I can (quickly) purchase PT 79? I am hoping to have it in time to write before the December exam. I am already on the wait-list for Amazon where it is out of stock (Canada).

U.S. Amazon usually doesn't ship to where I am in Canada.

Thanks in advance!

The BR meeting quit unexpectedly, I was in the middle of the question with DUE, are you here???

Guys I know we're all stressed out but can anyone lend some advice on whether or not taking practice tests this week and next is a good idea... I have been consistently taking them almost daily for a month now... I give myself rest days every 5 days or so.

But I keep reading about people doing only 2 a week now am I missing something... please help don't want to burn out this far out...

What are some suggestion on being as accurate as you can be when it comes to LR & RC? Especially when you get down to 2 answer choices? I feel like I don't really know what I'm looking for when I I'm fumbling 2 answer choices in my head.

I'm guessing just read better? But how would you suggest to really get the information in front of you as clear as you can? Paraphrasing gets you the idea but towards the 15ish mark there are pieces of information that you miss when you paraphrase that are essential to the stimulus that are hard to keep in a paraphrase.

Any suggestion that you think could help or that helped for you would be greatly appreciated!

I keep seeing this expression about taking Preptest cold. What is that exactly? Because I think I may be doing that, since when I take a practice test the first section kinda just smacks me in the face and about halfway through the second section I begin to find my rhythm and get comfortable with the test. Is there any way to fix this?

Help?!?! Who do I contact in regards to a refund? I find that I learn better in a classroom environment.

Thank you David for sharing your BR strategy in your Webinar and Office Hours!!

JY's Blind Review has been an invaluable part of all of our studies. At least for me, I would take a clean copy of the PT and BR the questions that I circled in each section and then score the entire PT at the end. Learning from confidence errors and double misses on questions has helped guide my focus on drilling and weaknesses before the next PT.

For your BR process: as you are going through the LR section, for each question that you circled, you would BR that question and write out your own breakdown of the question down with full analysis of stimulus and answer choices (whether within 7Sage comments or on your own Word type document).

As I hopefully understood the next stage of your process = The NEW aspect is that you would actually pull up JY's explanation immediately following each flagged BR question and evaluate your thought process in contrast to JY's. I really appreciated what you said - having that immediate feedback while your thought processes were dedicated to that specific question made more of an impact than watching the videos later for all of the questions you flagged or missed.

As I learn more about how to utilize the Question Bank, your process has to be one of the greatest opportunities to use this feature. When BRing LR tonight, I had the Question Bank open. For every question that I circled, I would watch the video after I BR'd it. Immediate feedback on my reasoning process has been a "game changer" in how I will approach my future PT BR process.

@"Accounts Playable" If I missed anything or you have more to share about how to implement your strategies, I would gratefully appreciate your advice:)

Hope this helps!!

And feel like not ready, can we move it to other dates? such as June 2017...

I am considering to upgrade to the ultimate admission pkg... how long does it usually take to get the apps done when you work with David? I am applying to all t14 schools... cause I am writing for both Dec and Feb test, I am trying to finish the app process as soon as possible

Hello everyone,

how do you draw out the logic for the following statement, and take the contrapositive.

Statement: The only way to stop the baby from crying is to give her some cold medication or a nip of wiskey, but not both.

Hi everyone,

Anecdotally I have heard that the LSAT standards for law school have already, or are currently slightly declining. My understanding is that this has something to do with fewer applicants, and thus colleges having a harder time keeping high LSAT numbers.

Does anyone know if this is supported by any data?

I had a quick look at UVA for an example, and a year or two ago their median LSAT did dip by 1 point, but then it went back up again the year after. UChicago's has stayed the same in the last few years as far as I could tell. I'm wondering if this 'declining standards' idea is just an urban myth? Maybe it's only true of some schools? Just curious if anyone has read anything in detail about this topic.

Despite going -6 on RC, I managed to break the 170 barrier for the first time (171)! Went flawless on LG (another first). Big confidence boost going into December test.

Does "A is always the Best Student" mean "A --> Best Student" or "Best Student --> A" ?

Does "A is the only Best Student" mean "A --> Best Student" or "Best Student --> A" ?

I get a bit confused when "is" or other referents are used in conjunction with Group 1 - 4 logical indicators. I know the convention is to follow the rule of the indicators, but when I think about what the sentence is saying instead of just blindly following the rule, I'm not always so sure.

I know the forums always gets inundated with frantic, nervous posts around this time, and I hate to add to them, but I need some advice on how to spend the next two weeks.

Let me start off by saying that I'm not going to postpone, even though I know many of you will think that I should. I am taking advantage of an "early entry" program that my school (OU) offers to its undergraduates. I am pretty much already accepted unless I just completely blow it. The top 25 percent LSAT score at OU is a 159 and my current average is a 164. I would love to eventually get a 170 for scholarship reasons, but I've been told that if I retake in February, they will take that score into consideration as well. I just need an LSAT score now so that I can finish my application ASAP.

Last week, I took 3 recent PT and scored 166 on two and 167 on one. Then, I took a proctored test under test conditions and scored a 163 mostly due to freaking out during LG which continues to be my worst section. If I am able to get through 3 games, I should have no problem getting a 166-167 or higher because I'm getting -2 to -3 in the other sections. I have never been able to get through an entire LG section during a timed test and they are just the bane of my existence.

So, how do you guys think I should spend these last two weeks? Here are my current possible scenarios, but I'm open to other suggestions:

1. Take 3 timed PT/BR this week (72, 77, 79 on MWF) and then retake a test I've already done (78) on Monday but timed per section then focus on drilling LG T-TH the week of the test.

or

2. Take 2 timed PT/BR this week (77 and 79) and otherwise focus on drilling LG until the Friday before the test.

Maybe the differences are subtle but basically should I spend the majority of my time taking timed PT/BR or focusing on LG?

I'm trying, really trying to have interests in the passages but sometimes its really hard to keep concentrate on what it says.

How do you stay focused and have interests in the passages?

What is active reader anyway?

Hey guys, so I'm going to take the December LSAT and maybe retake in FEB if i need to but I'm just wondering what i should do the final week before the test? Im planning on taking PT 79 on Tuesday and attending the BR session that JY is going to have but then I'm not sure what to do for the final week to stay sharp. Should i just keep doing separate sections of LG,RC, LR, and just BR them afterwards just to stay sharp? What do you guys suggest? I was thinking about having PT 79 be the last practice test i take so i can take it semi easy the final week leading up to the test.

A long, strange LSAT journey Top-Law-Schools.com

Postby fredfred » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:21 pm

This is my experience with the LSAT and it should be read by anyone who is looking for LSAT motivation.

In college, I started thinking about the LSAT and law school. I went to a free kaplan session where there is a proctor (tutor) and he gives a full exam. I had not prepared at all and left with a 143. My head was spinning and I went to talk to an advisor of mine. He said if someone wants to go to law school, they should have started studying in high school. That was his serious advice. It takes 3-4 years to master the LSAT at a minimum (he went to HYS law and Princeton PHD so the dude is extremely smart himself). That did not help my confidence.

Fast forward a year. Just graduated college, I was headed to graduate school. It is June 1st, 2014. It was the first time I seriously tried to study, aiming for the September exam. I was doing okay, never really breaking 160. Games was my worst section, going -15/-20 at a time. Having access to some family support, I reached out to a tutor to teach me games. Worth every penny and started going -10, then -5, then -1. Progress! Unfortunately reasoning wasn't progressing as I would have liked, but I was getting tutored on Skype as my graduate school was far away. I was doing what my tutor told me all the way up through the September exam and was pting mid 160s. Eventually September came and I received a high 150's score. I was devastated. 4 months of work, lots of money, and still not even breaking 160. I was distraught, a failure, a waste. This was all in the mist of graduate school and it was just awful.

I take a month off of studying and decided to try again in December. I dumped my tutor (but LG was a massive improvement getting to -0) and decided instead of trying to learn everything just focus on LR. I had games down and just needed LR help. I buckled down for a few months and studied hard. December came, did great on games and not as great on LR, but a significant improvement. I had been pting from 164-174 on any given test. Come December, I went -6 on RC. Received a mid 160s score. Was devastated again, how could I possibly get into a t14? My dreams were over.

I applied everywhere and had a good cycle. Got serious scholarship money from top 20 schools and wl at a few t14. I decided on one top 20 with a nice scholarship and my parents were proud, I was proud, it actually was all okay. But something was bugging me, it was the LSAT. I felt like twice it had won, twice it beat me yet I wanted to try again. My parents said no, why even go through this again?

So I signed up for June. I threw out everything I knew about the LSAT and started at PT 1. I took EVERY SINGLE LSAT from 1-76 (or whatever it is) and then redid 60-76 again. I wasn't trying to beat the test or learn the test, rather I was just going through it systematically. If I got a RC question wrong, I spent 15 minutes breaking down every answer choice and trying to figure out where I went wrong and which one is more right. I did this for 4 months, on top of grad school.

It now brings me to this moment. I received a mid 170s score in the 99th percentile in June. Within 12 hours of the score, I had received a call from a t14 I was rejected from offering me unsolicited admission along with 2 others just outside the t14. It looks like I will be sitting out a year and reapplying.

What this is all about ultimately is I had around a 30 point increase from first pt to June 2015. It was a full year of studying with small breaks in between. You don't need a tutor. What he taught me I found the same on youtube for free. What matters is you determination to really work at it. Actually take every single PT ever given over and over. By my actual count, I have taken over 150 full pts this past year (obviously repeating each one at some point). My professor was wrong, you don't need 4 years of study. You need 1 and the determination to do it.

tl;dr I started from the bottom (143) and now I am here (mid 170s). Good luck, you can do it.

I have been under a rock for the past 3 weeks. Now I am back just in time for the sessions that start tonight.

I just took PT63 and the score is around 140s, far below my target score(160). I know that it would be a hardship to move 30s in next 2 months.I registered for Feb, 2017(hopefully enroll in 2017) But I has a ambition to conquer. I still suffer at LGs(lots to improve). I want to stay in America while I finish my OPT(internship for international student) and start my law school.

Any suggestion is appreciated.