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Do you think that I have a chance for either NYU or Columbia with a 170 and 3.9 GPA but no extracurriculars. I scored 6 points lower than my average LSAT practice tests on the September exam

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I've been studying off-and-on for the last 9 months with the 7Sage Ultimate + package (finished the CC), but now I'm ready to hunker down and put in about 15-20 hours of studying per week; however, I work full-time and I have no idea how long this will be sustainable for me as I've only been going at this pace for the last few weeks. My goal is to reach 165+ by June/September 2017 and recently a paralegal job at work has opened up that is only W-F, which would allow me a huge amount of additional study time. Before I apply for this job, does anyone who has scored in this range (PT or an administered test) have any insight about working full-time or part-time and how this has affected their test score? (Obviously more time is better, but I also have 7-11 months at 15-20 hours to fine-tune what I've already learned and PT.) Any words of wisdom would be much appreciated! Many thanks!

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My reach schools were Columbia/NYU

My target schools were Michigan/Berkeley/Duke/Austin

I'd apply Mid November.

I'm already registered for the December retake.

My softs are okay & work experience

My last 10 PT average was ~169 with two low 160's days before the test. I definitely suffered from nervousness as over half the questions I missed were in the first 10 of each section.

I'm leaning towards waiting another year to save on app money. I'd use that saved money to purchase the admissions package for PS writing.

I appreciate any advice or insight. Thank you.

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Sorry for the dramatic title. I wasn't going to post this because I don't want to scare any future test takers, but I really need some help. I was averaging 169 consistently for the final month and a half before the September LSAT. Well, I got a 150. This is 8 points lower than my cold diagnostic. I have no idea what happened. I told myself that I wouldn't let this number define me, but I'm absolutely crushed. Between full-time school, work, and a special needs child I don't have time to study for the December LSAT, but I'm planning on retaking it in February.

Here is my average previous to the September LSAT:

LR: -3

LG: -2

RC: -3

Here was my actual score breakdown:

LR: -11

RC: -15

LG: -9

LR: -11

Looking over the test and my answers (briefly, it was very painful), I can clearly see the mistakes that I made. I struggled in EVERY section, which is strange because it did not feel very difficult. I'm not sure what caused this drop, nerves possibly? I don't know. I'm considering taking an actual in-classroom course, but I just don't have the money and I would have to take out a student loan to do it. I also let my subscription here lapse because I was confident that I was ready. Ugh! I feel like I'm in a nightmare.

What should I do? I could really use some clarity about this situation.

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Hey everyone, pretty new to the application process and thought you all could help with my question. I am currently towards the GPA 25th percentile (3.45) and the median LSAT (164) for my target/reach schools. I have been working for a few years now, and I think I have time to study hard for the December LSAT to boost my score a few more points. However, I know applications are reviewed on a rolling basis and would prefer to submit my application as soon as possible.

Is it recommended to apply after I have received my December scores, before I receive my December scores or just go with what I currently have?

Any input would be a huge help, thanks!

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OMG I woke up this morning (living in Beijing) and found that an email from LSAC waiting for me... And I opened it... Bang! 177!

To be honest, I couldn't believe my eyes!

Thank you so much 7Sage. This is a huge increase from my 161 on September 2014 LSAT. The blind review method and the study group was sooooo helpful! This would not have been possible without JY and 7Sage community.

Ahhh I'm so happy right now <3

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So I am retaking my LSAT in December and I just need to improve my LR. I am going through powerscore books and re-learning each question type because I didn't really study LR by question type last time. So I am reading the chapter for example right now on Must be True/Most Strongly Supported which I think some people call inference questions, and then practicing a ton of questions in that category, then once I am answering with good accuracy I will move on to next question type. Then I plan to take a practice test. My worst section is technically reading comp so I every day I will do one practice passage to try and improve that and mix in logic games here and there but thats my best section. Does this sound like a solid plan/does anyone have further advice for improving LR? Bear in mind that I can't afford any more books or programs, I wish I could because I would def do 7sage but that retake cost killed me.

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All the best to the NEW SAGES:)

This better be the most kick-ass story of why to make the most of your lives NOW with No Regrets!!

I still have the sales receipt from Aug 2014 for a Kaplan LSAT book. My twin daughters were Junior’s in high school and because of many transitions in their lives, I was dedicated to be available when they needed me in their last years at home before leaving for college.

Always a dream of going to Law School, I thought that I would take the LSAT. Hmmm, dumb-ass, not recognizing the full aspects of the test, I made every prep mistake known – and then I found 7Sage. Then, I found another way to screw up by casually going thru the curriculum the 1st time through. If anyone needs a testament for their parents to understand that it takes time to understand the test, I am happy to send them a note:)

After almost 2 years of intermittent prep and many hours being a part of 7Sage, I un-officially dubbed myself the historian of knowledge of those that came before us. JY created an amazing curriculum but his investment into the community to me is what makes 7Sage very special. The gift from everyone in the last cycle and all they did to create opportunities for the current students really changed the landscape at 7Sage to achieve not only their personal goals but also to give back sharing strategies for future test takers. The current cycle of test takers are embracing JY and the community to continue to help everyone take their studies to an even higher level.

If there was a time in our home when my girls had an issue, they would beg me to study because they knew it was a deflection from my attention towards them. Smart, huh! Whenever I was a witch with anyone on this site, I hope they understood that it was because I cared and knew that they were capable of so much more. The friendships that I have built mean the world to me and I am behind you every step that you take. Thank you for allowing me to be a part of your life.

While respectable, my score is not going to cut it for me to pursue Law School. I love how life works and 2 things happened in the last 24 hours before receiving my score showed me that I have other things in my life that need me more than Law School.

I wouldn’t give anything to change my life and where I am today. 7Sage has given me a “safe” place to be while I transitioned to being an “empty nester” and I am so thankful. While the LSAT test itself has aged me beyond my years, the community has kept me young at heart:)

Love,

T

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Looking for some advice. I was averaging about a 168 with a high of 172 and BR scores around 175 in the PT 30-40's. When I started on the 70's about a month before the September test my average and BR dropped to about a 162 and 170 respectively. I just received my score and was disappointed to learn that I got a 159. I am set on applying this cycle and have been studying since March (diagnostic of 151 if it matters) of last year. I am looking for advice about what my game plan should be between now and December in order to ensure that I am not disappointed next time around. In addition, is it worth applying with a 159 even with a note that I'm retaking?

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Hey guys! This is my first time posting here I've been watching the game videos for awhile now but just signed up for the course. So happy I did! This community is amazing! So have few questions. 1. I've been studying on and off now for good few months now and I'm planning on taking December my first diagnostic I got a 149 and since then my top score has been a 157 that was about 2-3 months ago. When I do untimed LR I usually 1-2 wrong timed like 4-6 . My LG is where i was lacking a lot been drilling that a lot and definitely getting better (especially bec of the videos) and my RC untimed usually pretty good but timed I'm in trouble. So my question is how should I go about studying the next month and a half. And specifically how should I be studying for the LG and also how does the BR work for the LG. Thanks so much!!

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I just wanted to say a BIG thank you to all of the amazing people who make 7sage a possibility. I scored 170 on the September test, which is a 20 pt increase from my diagnostic. This increase would probably not have been possible without this program - I have been with 7sage from the beginning of my prep and hardly used any other material along the way. After a year and two takes, I have (hopefully) scored high enough to get me into my dream school!!

THANK YOU!!!

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I don't know what to do. It's really discouraging when you've spent nine months actually studying for hours almost everyday throughout the weeks and it doesn't count for anything to improve my score substantially beyond my diagnostic. How would actually putting in the work every day NOT improve your score? Really embarrassing, and really disheartening. Don't know if I will bother trying again. It's ridiculous to think all that work would do nothing, and yet it did, so it really discourages me from putting even more work in. Just being real here. Definitely considering ending this whole endeavor, it just seems like the effort won't pay off.

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My sincerest thanks to YJ, the mentors and the general 7 Sage community. I hit my target score of 170 and hope that everyone else did as well or better than they had hoped. Goodbye forever!

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Got my 174. Could not have done it without the resource of 7sage. The LSAT analytics helps a ton! Thank you so much 7sage for willing to share so many great resource for free! Wish everyone hit their target score <3

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Hi all. My score came with 6~7 points lower than my usual range. (162)

Even, it was the same score I got from my 2nd take which was 3 years ago. :(

I don't know what to do or what went wrong and had a whole day feeling super gray.

I think I will try to overshoot for just one or two schools.

But would there be disadvantages for me to apply in later cycle? say, 2018? cause I think I will study for one more time, but I don't want to rush since that would be my 4th time. geez. So I am planning to get a job since I am about to graduate my grad school and then try to retake it next June.

Maybe I am overconfident but I believe I still have a hope for myself.

What would you do if you were in my shoes?

Thank you in advance. I seriously hope someday I will post on 7sage thanking all the 7sagers

for making me finally have my 170+ ! :D

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Hi folks:

Here's a long question but it seems like a lot of smart people weigh in here and I wanted to provide the data.

I took the Sept LSAT. Got a 167. I took despite all warnings re: "wait until you're -0 or -1 on LGs, wait until you've peaked on PTs" - I needed to have something concrete in front of me to keep working on this decision. I self-studied from the Trainer, the PS LR bible, and the 7sage LG videos. This was up 10 pts from my diagnostic and to be honest I only really studied from early August on so a short (but very intense) run. I went -6 LR overall, -3 RC (that Mesolithic one really got me; I've been PTing a steady -0), -6 LG (ran out of time/the viruses got me). Of the LR I missed, 2 were MSS, 2 were RA, two were "what does this piece do in this argument" (one comparative, one on its own). Clearly, there are some fundamentals to be polished. I was PTing around 170 and doing more like -1 or -2 on LR for timed sections and it was the MSS/RAs giving me the most trouble along with being slow on games.

I am leaning towards retake because I am frustrated at these errors and frustrated that I am so close to being eligible for these top schools but not quite there. I am excited by the flexibility, options, and access they get me (like everyone else). I worry that if I cram for December I won't see the gains I would if I wait for February or June and do this all next year. I also worry that waiting for a December LSAT and applying then makes me too late w/my GPA and that I wouldn't see a big enough increase - but then conversely, Everyone Says that if that increased score is a 170+, it is ok to be late. I'm an older student with an Interesting History, a splitter (3.63 LSAC), and I get the impression that I will be taken as a little bit of an anomaly generally speaking.

Given this, what do you think? I am in a moment where I actually have the time to study 20-25 hours/week or so and there are so many reasons this is the moment for a big change in my life but I am 100% buying the romance of "your whole life will be different at HYCCCN" and would hate to close doors just because I am impatient. Wait? Cram? Sit it in December and if the score isn't there, chill out a minute and plan for June?

Thanks a million in advance.

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For September exam, which was my third shot, I ended up getting 173.

This is still high score, but I am still wondering whether smudges for 2-3 questions in my answer sheet affected my score or not.

During the exam, I found I had marking mistakes and corrected for some questions. I erased as cleanly as possible but some gray marks were still noticeably visible.

The problem is that I took the exam in Asia, which is a nondisclosed exam, so I cannot check whether the machine correctly marked my answer or not.

What do you think guys? Should I apply for handscoring? I don't want to waste my money but since higher score with 2 or 3 points will give me much better chances of scholarships so honestly I am leaning toward handscoring... Is there anyone who was or is in similar circumstances?

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I am done with the curriculum, though I am sure I will revisit it. However, I was planning on going through the LSAT trainer first before doing more PTs. My question is if anybody did that already, did you see your score improve after LSAT trainer?

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Any tips on how you guys improved reading comp? I'm signed up for December and have been fool proofing LG's 1-35 and I'm already seeing improvements. I just took PT 62 and scored a 163, which is close to where I want to be.(165+ preferably) My problem is that I scored a 163 despite my terrible RC score. 22/26 and 23/26 were my LR scores as well as a 20/23 for LG... However, I scored a 13/27 on RC. I usually average 16-20 on RC but, 13? lol. Pretty annoying to be honest because I feel like I'm improving everywhere else. I don't even know if there is a clear cut way to improve RC but I guess I'm going to have to incorporate a lot more RC passages into my daily studying. This is more of a rant/ asking for advice type of post. Appreciate any feedback!

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