Is it possible to put a PT on a flash drive and then print it at a location of your choosing ? Thanks

Fellow 7sagers,

I'm in a bind and am in serious need of advice. So it's already been about 10 months since I first started studying for the LSAT, and the June 2017 test was my second attempt, after the first one which I ended up canceling (turns out I was way too underprepared to deal with the test day anxieties and pressures). By the week before the June test day, I had done almost all preptests from 1 to the most recent 80s, and was averaging in the 170s, with the highest score being 177. Of course, I took into consideration that some of these scores were inflated because they were retakes (with about 3 months break).

I felt quite confident leaving the test center in June, feeling that no particular question gave me a hard time and that test difficulty was not much different from that of the numerous PTs I took. Unfortunately, turns out that was false confidence, and I was quite devastated to receive my score of 166, a score that is far below my average PT score. I know that 166 is not the end of the world, but I'm just disappointed and frustrated because despite all the work I've put in, my real test day scores simply do not reflect what I can achieve.

Although I've heard that 3 attempts may not be received so well by top tier schools, nevertheless I've reached the conclusion that I should take it one last time, as I feel like giving up now would be a total waste of what I've invested so far. I have a GPA of 3.93 from University of Chicago, and was really hoping to boost my application with a strong LSAT score.

But the problem is, I simply don't know where and how to begin studying for a third retake. I've used up all the practice tests, gone over the 7sage curriculum multiple times, and am pretty confident (or thought I was) with the fundamentals of each section. From my previous PTs, I know that my RC is the weakest, but I don't know where I went wrong on test day because the tests taken in Asia are all undisclosed tests (am I correct?). I don't know if 7sage has done all it could possibly do for me and whether I should turn to other resources... I think test day pressures have a huge impact on my performance but I'm not sure how to remedy that, or if I will ever be able to.

That brings me to the issue of when I should take my final test, because I'm not sure if I'm currently worn out from long period of intensive studying, or whether I should be gritting my teeth and committing 2 more months to prepare for the September test. I know that September will put me at a better place to apply early for my top choices, but then again I'm thinking, what good would that do if my scores are subpar?

I'm just a bit lost as to how I should approach my third and final exam, all the while writing my personal statements, essays of all sorts. I'm sorry for this lengthy chunk of text but I would tremendously be grateful any kind of advice you guys have for me. I've been thinking about it on my own for a few weeks but am feeling nervous and hesitant about not knowing whats best for me.

thank you so much guys!

Hi everyone! I'm relatively new to 7Sage and have a question about blind review. When you go through it, do you use the same copy of the test that you did your PT on, or a blank copy? And also, does anyone use highlighters or write anything down (i.e. your thought process), or do you just go through it as you would a timed section just without a time restraint?

Under my previous study plan, I was reviewing my PTs on the same copy and highlighting somewhat excessively. I feel like this maybe wasn't the best approach.

Thanks so much and happy studying :)

Hi everyone!

I wrote the LSAT in June and scored at 158 after PTing 165+, so I'm planning on retaking in September. I've purchased the Starter course and am going through the core curriculum now, and though I'm definitely learning lots to help me later, I was wondering if I should also be incorporating timed sections? I really don't want to waste any time, but I want to get the most out of the course!

Thanks :)

Proctors:

We had three, older, women proctors. We started out with two, and there must have been an extra proctor floating around the building because while the directions were being read, two women came into the room—one announcing she had another proctor for us and showed the third proctor into the room.

I was not a fan of these proctors at all. While they were cheerful and tried to be careful with assigned seating, that's about where their good professional aspects end. They were incredibly disorganized and they were the sole cause of all the distractions during the administration of the test. I'll go in more detail under "irregularities."

Facilities:

The facilities were nice and decently clean. Once you were in the building where the test was administered, there was plenty of signage directing you to your assigned room. And at every hallway junction, there was a proctor or some other staff member with a clipboard with room assignments who was able to direct you to where you were supposed to go. I and others found that very helpful. However, it was unclear when you walked into the building if you were supposed to check in before you go to your classroom, or if you check in for the first and only time upon entering the room. I think that would be helpful information for the LSAC to include on the admission tickets.

The hallways were crowded with everyone waiting to get into their rooms, but once you were in, the classrooms were clean and an adequate temperature. The bathrooms were convenient, but could have been cleaner. I think I saw vending machines with food and drinks on the first floor, which is nice if you forgot to bring a snack.

What kind of room:

We were in a fairly large classroom, but it felt comfortable. It was big enough to accommodate everybody but also not an auditorium. It was all level (there were no stairs within the room) and the room temperature was neither too hot nor too cold. There was adequate light—all fluorescent and no windows— and there was a clock in the back of the room, so definitely bring a watch if you test here.

How many in the room:

At least 100, possibly 125, plus the three proctors. There were 10–15 rows that were 10–15 desks deep. Not every chair was filled, but most of them were. It definitely didn't feel like there were that many people in the room though. For the most part, everyone was quiet and respectful, and the layout of the room made it feel smaller/more intimate than it actually was. We had assigned seats, which slowed us down in getting started, but otherwise, I didn't mind.

Desks:

The desks were what you would typically find in any high school classroom—hard metal/plexiglass-plastic-type desks with the basket underneath the seat and desk top attached to the chair on the right-hand side. They didn't flip up like you might find in a lot of college/some high school classrooms. The actual work surface was smaller than I would have liked—I almost pushed my extra pencils off and almost dropped my answer sheet a couple times—but it wasn't too small. If you didn't have your pencils vertically aligned on your desk they would roll off, which was annoying. The desks were clean and seemed fairly new. They were stable and didn't rock. I was in the front row, but it seemed like some of the desks behind me were not spaced out very well and if you had someone in front of you who leaned back during the test, they definitely would have been over your work space, which I'm sure would have been annoying and distracting.

Left-handed accommodation:

I wasn't aware of anyone who was left-handed in the room, but I also did not see left-handed desks, so I imagine if there were any left-handed test takers, it is unlikely they were accommodated.

Noise levels:

Minimal. Thankfully! The walls were thick, plus it's a small community college, so there was no noise coming from outside in the halls. The lack of windows prevented any noise/distractions from outside as well. Almost everyone taking the test was very considerate and did their best to be silent. No beeping watches. Hardly any sniffling/coughing. The only noise was from the proctors, which I'll get to in the irregularities.

Parking:

There was PLENTY of free parking, which was great. And it was a short walk to the building where we took the test. However, I am very glad I read my admission ticket carefully and examined Google Maps and a campus map in the week before the test because there was NO signage indicating where to park or how to get to the correct building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

We definitely did not start on time. There were lines outside of all the classroom doors past 9 a.m. The proctors didn't start letting people into the rooms until just before 9 a.m. They checked each person's ID and ticket and directed them to their assigned seat. As you might imagine, the assigned seating slowed us down. I didn't have my watch set for the actual time (rather, I had the hour hand set at 7 to help me better visualize how much time I had left during the test), so I'm not sure what time we actually started, but we did not leave the testing room until 2 p.m. and our break was 11:35–11:50 a.m. I guess through deduction, we started around 10 a.m.

There were two students who showed up 20 minutes late, which is puzzling, but that certainly didn't help us get started on time since they had to be directed to their assigned seats and the proctors had already put the seating chart away.

Irregularities or mishaps:

Yikes. Where do I begin? I'm sure this isn't the worst horror story you'll read, but it definitely wasn't pleasant. I have no complaints about the actual facility or other test takers, only the proctors.

First, we were assigned seats in the classroom, which I assumed was to help the proctors stay organized when collecting books, answer sheets, IDs, and tickets. If that was the reason, it failed spectacularly. One proctor was in charge of reading the directions while the other two collected IDs and tickets. The two collecting IDs and tickets, did so with no methodology that would allow them to quickly and easily hand them back out when it was time. This came back to haunt them immediately because they collected our tickets while the head proctor was reading us the directions to fill out our biographical information on the answer sheet—which includes filling out your LSAC account number. All the tickets had been collected before we got to that part, so at least 20 minutes was wasted while the proctors had to hand the tickets back out because no one knew their account number. And then re-collect them. I'm assuming in an attempt to try to make up for that lost time, the head proctor asked us approximately every 15 seconds if we were done filling out the answer sheets, when clearly, we weren't. But, I was willing to look past these minor annoyances figuring I was just being Type-A and overly critical.

The head proctor struggled to read the directions coherently, so I'm glad I had listened to them with 7sage a couple times before the actual test. And once we got started, the proctor distractions continued. During one section, the head proctor was tearing pages out of something—and not doing so quietly. This went on for several minutes at multiple times throughout the section. Additionally, one of the other proctor's phone kept vibrating. I doubt that the people in the back of the room could hear it, but since I was right up front, it was distracting for me. Later in the exam, her phone even audibly rang. It made it all the way through to voicemail before the proctor was able to get to her phone to turn it off. It then made another audible noise indicating a voicemail or other message.

When it was time for the break, the proctors struggled to pass out our IDs in a timely fashion (again suffering from the disorganization). Not even half of the test-takers had their IDs back when the head proctor announced the time we had to be back from break, and reminded us not to leave before we had our IDs. I and a couple other test takers made sure she wasn't going to hold us to the time she originally announced because half of us didn't have our IDs yet, so we couldn't leave and therefore wouldn't get the full 15-minute break. She did end up conceding and waited to start the break when everyone had their IDs in-hand.

When we returned, the proctors again struggled to pass our test booklets and answer sheets out in a timely and organized manner after having not collected them in a way that would facilitate that happening.

Lastly, during the second half-of the exam, the head proctor announced we only had five minutes left in the section we were working on. She was incorrect—we had 15 minutes left. This prompted me and one other test taker to rebut that we should have 15 minutes left. The proctor didn't understand at first and then called the other test taker up to the front and then out into the hall. When she re-entered, she announced to the room she was wrong and we had 15 minutes left (at that point it was more like 12). But that was an incredible distraction and it took me a minute to get my stress level back in check after panicking for thinking I had not well-managed my time.

Other comments:

I ended up writing to the LSAC to complain about the proctors.

Would you take the test here again?

I am taking the test there again in December in an attempt to reduce nerves. Having a sense of familiarity will be helpful for me, but I am crossing my fingers that they have some better proctors. Otherwise, I would be indifferent about taking the LSAT there again.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

Sept 24., 2016

So, any tips on what to do if you don't even understand the stimuli? Obviously, this will make it hard to answer the question.

I've finished the CC and have taken a few exams averaging 155. I BR in the mid 160's. I'm stuck at a plateau. I need some guidance on some hardcore prep for scoring at least a 160 on the sept LSAT. Currently making flash cards to review some core concepts and starting to practice reading comp. (Yeah, haven't given it much attention).

Logic games: averaging -5 (simple mistakes that are currently being fixed)

Logical reasoning: averaging -8 currently hung up on flaw and parallel method of reasoning questions)

Reading comp: 90% of my problem is time. -3 on BR

QUESTIONS:

What are your post CC techniques or tips?

What's the best way to really break through a 155 plateau?

Best course of action to really destroy Reading comp?

I'm in my fourth week of study for the lsat and my approach has been to go through as many tests I need to untimed until I'm consistently within the 175-180 range. I've heard that you shouldn't waste any tests by not adding time constraints but I have a really big pool of past exams to study from so it's not really an issue in my opinion, and I've started at the oldest (1993) tests I have access to and am working up until I feel comfortable enough to ramp up the pace. I'm guessing I'll be able to add time limits around the end of July as my scores have been slowly improving from the mid-to-high 160 range to around the mid 170s, but again this is untimed so I'm not sure if that's really any good. Does anybody else have experience with this approach and would you recommend it? For the now the plan is to study consistently and take the test in December, but part of me thinks I can be ready in time for the one in September.

What's the best advice you received when you got bummed out while studying? What gave you the motivation and confidence to continue pushing? Thanks!

So i have been at the LSAT for awhile now. I see the benefits of prephrasing im just really having a hard time employing it on a large part of the test.

Does anyone have any drills or methods they used to help them "work out" their prephrase muscles? Mindset?

I just wanted to take a few moments to thank you all for being the most welcoming and helpful community of aspiring lawyers I could ever imagine (which is so outside the norm it's not even funny - I'm sure we all know many nasty, spiteful, shithead current/aspiring lawyers).

My LSAT journey began last July, when I was thinking about fleeing my current job via postgraduate education (I actually love my organization and coworkers, but it was and continued to be a brutal few months at work). I took a diagnostic test (153), registered for September, and jumped into the old powerscore books I bought in 2013 when I thought I'd go straight to law school from undergrad. They were pretty helpful, but I wasn't anywhere near my target score (173+), so I decided to withdraw the night before the September test.

Since December was going to be my last chance to apply that cycle, I was really aiming to hit that test out of the park, and have my applications ready for when I received my score. I went back to studying amidst 60+ hour work weeks. I discovered 7sage around Halloween and found the LG explanations tremendously helpful, but I was so close to my test date that I felt like it wasn't worth getting even the starter pack.

Unfortunately, I bombed the December test, and knew it walking out of the test center. My maladroitness with logic games had been brutally exposed, as I ran out of time on the last two games, and it was reflected in my score: -8 on that section alone, and a 166 overall (which obviously isn't terrible, but was several points below my average and way below my target score). I made the tough decision to delay my applications and retake in June.

After about a month off of anything LSAT-related, I jumped back into studying with renewed vigor - I knew that I had to and could shore up my LG, so I worked on them disproportionately. I used a modified version of the foolproof method (which I'm happy to share with anyone who's curious - I think 3-4 tries on the same LG is super unnecessary tbh) and worked through pretty much every single logic game the LSAC has ever released at least once. I threw in a full PT about every weekend (I tried to do at least 3 a month) and jumped on a few blind review calls.

Come June, I was feeling way more confident, and the amount of work I put into LG finally paid off. Last night at 9:40PM, after spending an agonizing 4 days constantly refreshing, I finally received some good news - I'd gotten -0 on LG, and hit my target score with a 174 overall. I'll be applying as early as possible when applications open, and then I'm quitting my job in February to globetrot for 5-6 months before starting law school in the fall of 2018.

I do genuinely feel bad about never having invested my own money into 7sage; it just never made sense for me given the stage of studying I was at (the core curriculum wouldn't have helped me very much, and I already had access to every PT thanks to some friends), but it almost feels as if I took advantage of the rest of you who do pay, and all the sages who put in so much time and effort to make this product and community great. For that reason, I'll still poke around the forums sometimes and answer questions if I can, and am happy to jump on the occasional BR call if requested and available. I'm also happy to do personal statement swaps and whatnot once apps open up in the fall!

Special shouts to @twssmith for being one of the kindest and most encouraging people I've ever had the pleasure to (virtually) meet, JY for helping thousands of schmucks like myself on their paths to law school, and all you weirdos who are obsessed with definitively finding the perfect test-taking pencil.

And for anyone who may be feeling frustrated after their June results; I'm so sorry, I've been there and it sucks. But you can and will hit your target score the next time!

TL;DR: Y'all are fucking awesome, stay fresh.

PS: this was me hungover at work today -

This has been asked before but for the sake of it I am asking it again. Is the statement "V happens if and only if Y happens" represented as Y(----)V (/V(----)/Y). Thank you for the clarification

i've often heard of this being the final plateau for lsat students.

for those of you that are averaging in the 175 range: how did you get there?

If I am getting many of the problem sets in the Starter Package package correct,will I get less correct on the harder problems? Basically, I am wondering whether I am only getting them correct because they are "easy" or because I actually understand the material and would get them right regardless of the level of difficulty. Obviously, one way to find out is when I take the PT's....

Hey all!

So currently I've only been doing 4 sectioned PT's and I want to take the September LSAT so I'm wondering if I should be doing 5 sectioned PTs instead (maybe even with the writing sample)? Or if I should just continue doing 4 sectioned PT's or maybe just do a couple of 5 sectioned PTs?

Do you all typically do 4 or 5 sectioned PTs?

Thanks everyone, hope you're all well :)

Hello 7sage,

I am looking for a quiet location in NYC for a Preptest Exam this weekend, any suggestions?

Thank you.

I've been experiencing a lot of technical issues with the question bank. Regardless of how many questions I choose, only half will actually load. It's also not possible for me to choose multiple question types in LR.I tried google chrome, firefox, and safari.

Is anyone else having issues as well?

Good evening, all:

My time at 7Sage is coming to an end, as I’ll be taking my last LSAT retake on Saturday. I just want to thank the 7Sage staff and community for all their help, insight and transparency throughout my time studying. Before my account expires, to all the test takers, I just want to offer some advice. My score has increased since my diagnostic, but not only because of the sacrifices I’ve made for devoting most of my time to studying, but also, and more importantly in my opinion, is that I have made taking this test and studying for it exciting and fun. I think that everyone should be excited to take this test and not dread it when the time comes to take the actual test. This is the first step to becoming a lawyer, and regardless of what type of lawyer you want to be, this test is the first step, or one of the first, in getting you there. So for all my February test takers, and all the ones who are taking it after Feb, enjoy this experience. Enjoy taking the test. You are going to be reading and analyzing things your whole career now, so you might as well enjoy it and make it fun!

Thanks again to all the staff. JY, you have a phenomenal service and are doing the community a great service.

Cheers!

In the military we used this saying all the time, "Complacency kills". I just learned today that this saying is just as apt to the LSAT as it was in the military.

Today I decided I needed a new approach to LR. -5/-7 per section was just killing my score. I went back to the CC and scrolled through each type of question and compared it to my analytics. One question type popped off the page to me. "Method of Reasoning - 30% accuracy." These questions seemed fairly straight forward to me when I did the CC and during practice I did not miss much. How was I missing this many during PT's?

After looking at the ones I got wrong I realized what I was doing. Somewhere during my training for the LSAT my mind merged Flaw questions and Method of Reasoning questions into each other. I would approach a Method of Reasoning question trying to identify the flaw. While this doesn't sound super harmful, it actually was. I would get down to two answer choices and not be able to tell exactly why one was the flaw. I would feel time slipping by, guess and move on.

That's ridiculous! This type of question should be fairly straight forward why was it causing me to trip up!

Complacency.

I just assumed I knew the question types from each other because I've been doing this for about a year. I didn't even bother checking to make sure I was attacking each type of question correctly. Because of this Method of Reasoning just vanished from my mindset.

That is an absolute killer on the LSAT.

I saw @"Cant Get Right" post a couple days ago about how little mistakes inevitably are indications of bigger ones. If you feel stuck on a section, go back and review the most basic foundations. Something as little as this can cost you points.

As for me ------ Lesson learned.

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After getting my June score back a 158 (3rd try) and once again getting way below my PT averages (162-164) has left me questioning what I should do. I know for sure that I am better than what I scored on the exam, as every single one of my PTs leading up to that exam was significantly better than what I got on the actual exam. All of them taken in test-like conditions under strict timing. After taking a couple weeks to decompress I have decided that I want to try for it again in September. But I am looking to change up how I study, and a lot people that I have talked to have told me to try 7sage, as I am not the typical case going into this, I was wondering what your guy's opinions were, how I should be studying, how much I should be studying, and if 7sage is the proper channel for me to use.

For reference my June test I scored in each section compared to my averages on my PTs

RC -9/ Average on my PTs was -5 to -7

LR -16 /Average was -10 to -12- LR was actually going quite well but the second section I got the final 7 questions in a row wrong which significantly brought down my average.

LG -4 /Average was -0 to -2

Hi guys! I didn't do as well as I wanted to on the June lsat. I am looking to increase about 6-8 points by September, but I am kinda of stumped how to do so. I worked with a private tutor for almost a year and I feel like I have learned kind of up to my capacity, and now I am just irritated and do not know how to study from here. Any advice?

Hey! Can someone please help me out I'm not sure how to do BR for a full prep test. How do you go about doing BR for logic games for example. Thanks!

So i saw someone else with this idea for CC, i hope he/she doesnt mind that i am borrowing the idea.

I am currently in my PT/ intensive phase. I have already finished the CC and foolproofed games 1-35.

If anyone is interested in picking LR and RC sections from 7-50s to intensively review and speak out the underlying principles, i would love to listen and exchange ideas.

I find that, when it comes to this test everyone has strengths and things they can bring to the table, i would love to hear and try to employ yours and reciprocate if i can.

I will be studying full time come the end of this week. Comment and PM if your interested in a phone call or chat

My first semester Freshman year GPA was around a 2.4, but after that semester my GPA has been a 3.8 which still leaves me with just barely over a 3.5 going into my Senior year... (My LSAT score is 164). Will schools take into account that I had a first semester screw up and have been doing great besides that semester, or will they just focus on the low 3.5 GPA.