Does anyone know which states offer the multi state bar exam?

I've also heard that some states offer reciprocity but I'm not sure which ones & if you have to be practicing law for a while or not to do that.

Thank you in advance for any information.

Hey all,

I seem to have found an issue in my thought process which needs addressing. I cannot distinguish between an analogy in an argument and counterexample.

For PT23 S2 Q11, an AP question type, I was pretty convinced that the part of the argument I was asked to describe was a counterexample when in fact, it was an analogy (question wrong :( ). After watching the explanation video I was still a little hazy on this but could definitely see it as an analogy.

Fast forward to PT33 S1 Q2, a MR question, I was faced with the same dilemma. Down to two answer choices, one describing the argument as using an analogy and the other saying it was a counterexample. My instinct wanted to choose the counterexample but I began to recall what caused me to err on the aforementioned AP question. I ended up choosing the analogy AC which ended up being correct.

I feel as if I am on the brink of having an 'ah ha' moment (or am way overthinking this) and was curious if anyone could shed some light and help clarify these two concepts for me.

From what I have taken away, an analogy is used in an argument to show that something is like something else and, because of the similarities, proof that the original reason for the initial something being argued for is in fact a valid. For example, If I say all Jedi use the Force and all Sith Lords use the Force as well, then Luke Skywalker is, therefore, both a Jedi Knight and a Sith Lord. The analogy of the Jedi and Sith assumes that Luke is both, when all avid Star Wars fans know this is not the case (although, this is not an entirely invalid argument. Anakin Skywalker--Luke's father--was, technically, both a Jedi and a Sith).

A counterexample almost directly opposes the initial claim made by the argument. If I say that all Jedi use the Force and I find a Jedi who has no ability to use the Force, then that would be a counterexample. It's like an exception to a rule.

Am I thinking straight? Thank you in advance.

Hey 7Sagers,

I'm teaching a live RC webinar mini course! Seriously, it's going to be me but live.

What is it?

We'll start with RC theory and fundamentals and then we'll apply it to select RC passages. Some materials in this webinar will overlap with what's in the Core Curriculum but most will be new. We're only using pre PT 36 materials. You don't need to have anything printed out, just follow along on screen or you can access the content via the Question Bank.

Who's it for?

I'll be picking a very very small group so everyone can interact. I will be asking lots of questions and will cold call just like in law school! Terrifyingly fun! Priority will be given to enrolled 7Sagers. You should have completed the Intro to Arguments, Grammar, and Main Point/Conclusion classes. No other background in RC necessary. If you're already advanced in RC, eh, this is probably not for you.

When?

Session 1: Monday, April 4

Session 2: Wednesday, April 6

Session 3: Friday, April 8

All sessions 8pm - 9:30pm (Eastern Time)

You have to commit to attending all three sessions. This is a long term relationship.

How do I sign up?

Step 1: Fill out this Google Survey before Sunday night 11:59pm.

Step 2: We'll do selections and email you next week.

Step 3: If selected, we'll ask you to place a small deposit to incentivize your attending all three sessions. If you do attend all three sessions in their entirety, we will refund you 100%. If you don't attend, you will not get your deposit back. Instead, we will donate your deposit to the political organization that you hate the most.

For some reason I'm not getting any RC data for my analytics. The other sections show up fine, but for question type analysis, RC is blank. It says "no data available"

Anyone else having this issue?

First of all, high five!

So now what do I do? Take a break? Drill? PT? Start over and do it again? What have some of y’all done to transition out of the curriculum?

Lots of points made in this short video from Bloomberg Law. I agree completely with his viewpoint about the importance of writing and recommending that people should generally avoid pre-law courses in favor of having a more well-rounded focus in undergrad.

Nevertheless, I think it's a little harder to justify making law school 4 years due to the extra monetary/time costs and the perception of many law school students who felt that their 3rd year was useless (http://www.businessinsider.com/third-year-of-law-school-is-useless-2012-11; http://abovethelaw.com/2013/09/recent-graduates-overwhelmingly-think-their-third-year-was-useless/). It certainly could be the case that these law school students are just simply wrong, but of the many law school teachers, current lawyers, and retired lawyers I've talked to, the vast majority seem to think that law school either is a year too long or 3 years is fine.

Idk though, I haven't been to law school (yet), but I'm interested in what current law school students/law school grads think.

I still can't figure out how to enter my original score and my BR score when I'm checking the answers. Could someone help me?

This may seem like an overly anxious question, but I was wondering if people take their practice tests in the same way they expect to be taking it on test day? I just realized I will be taking the LSAT this June in a large auditorium, with those tiny desks (the ones where you can't fit both the test and answer sheet completely on it at the same time), compared to the testing center I took the test in last time in which I had an abundant amount of room to spread out the test booklet and the answer sheet. I honestly never took "bubbling strategies" too seriously, but now I'm starting to think I may need to develop a bubbling strategy that caters to not having the answer sheet available on the desk to bubble in at any time. Any thoughts or strategy tips would be really appreciated.

Dear 7sagers,

I have this dean who knows me very very well. I was afraid that she could not write LOR before school deadlines, so I submitted all my applications without indicating that there will be a third from her. Now hers has arrived. Shall I talk to schools to submit one more LOR? Does it hurt? Does it help?

Thank you so much!

I've been steadily and consistently studying for about two years for the LSAT, and I've managed to score in the low 170s a total of about ten times (a little less than this). With this, however, come the occasional hiccups (e.g. a 164 on my most recent test), though I think these somewhat infrequent though dramatic drops in my score reflect the stupid mistakes I make more so than anything else.

This stated, I'm getting awfully tired of scoring in the low 170s for a few tests with a bad test that follows. I've fallen into a frustrating repetition despite feeling like I know more about the test than I did when I was first scoring in the 170s, which was as long as a year go.

As noted in my header, I want to see anyone's input on where I should go from here. With more 170s than not, I'm confident I have a good grasp of the material, especially of LG sections. RC sections fluctuate for me, though consistent practice seems to solve the problem nicely. My LR is usually good, though my last test was severely marred by miss after miss in LR. Has anyone been in this situation? If so, did simply PTing and BR-ing solve this for you, or did you have to go back to study material and possibly drill by question type?

Note: When I refer to BR-ing, I mean my personal process of circling questions I do not feel super confident about, though I BR the entire test anyway.

If you are on any waitlists, you NEED to attend this webinar!

Letter of Continuing Interest (LOCI) Bootcamp with David Busis

Thursday 4/14 at 9pm ET

Have you been waitlisted or put on hold? You should think about writing a letter of continuing interest (LOCI). In this webinar, we’ll go over the how, when, and why of communicating with law schools from limbo.

About David: David is a graduate of Yale, where he received a prize for excellence in the English major, and the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, where he received a third-year teaching fellowship. His nonfiction has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic online. His fiction has won two national contests, received notable mention in The Best American Short Stories 2014 and been anthologized by Autumn House Press.

David has taught literature at Phillips Academy Andover, fiction at the University of Iowa and creative writing at Southern New Hampshire University. He currently teach creative writing at Southern New Hampshire University, and has designed a course about law school personal statements for 7Sage LSAT.

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Hi guys,

I currently work full time 9-5 as a legal assistant, but wake up as early as 5:30-6 because my commute is pretty far (DC traffic is terrible!!!). I usually get home around 6:30-7 and I'm exhausted. For those who work full time, what are your study schedules like? How many hours do you devote to studying when you get home? I'm planning on taking the LSAT in September or December, so any tips would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

I want to delete all my previous test results on grader.

But it seems like there is no reset button nor could I delete the answers myself. When I erase all the answers from the answer sheet, it still shows as I took the test.

Is there a way I can restart the grader?

For high scorers (high 160s, 170s), how have you guys kept answered questions from reading comprehension passages that test on specific details from the passage accurately and efficiently. These questions stump me because they usually test a detail that I may have glossed over. I usually fare ok on the questions that test passage structure but this particular question type has been getting me recently. I noticed in particular when the passage asks about a detail relating to a particular time frame, I find myself wondering where I have seen that particular detail.

Thanks

I don't know about you, but after each exhausting 5-section practice test I take, I have to do something else to decompress for a few hours. Usually I'll either play some video games or watch YouTube videos, but today I was fortunate enough to watch Middle Tennessee knock off Michigan State. Do you guys jump right from the PT into BR, or, if you take some time off, how long do you take and what do you do?

Hey guys! A 7Sager had a question I thought you could help out with. Here it is:

I’ve been studying with your 7sage ultimate+ package for about 3 months, and I took this February test after finishing almost all your core lessons and about 7 timed PTs. I knew I wasn’t ready and I only got a 157. So I’m gonna take another test this June.

I was wondering if you can give me some advice on how to study for the coming three months.

My main problems were RC and LG.

1. Since English is not my mother tongue, I can only manage to finish 3 passages in the 35mins RC section, and the correction rate was horrible.

2. I can’t finish all 4 games within 35mins most of the time. (But I was less worried about LG than RC, because I feel I can get faster by keep practicing the ’10-clean-copies’ method you suggested.)

I feel like I can’t deal with these two problems by simply keeping doing timed PTs set by set for the next three months, because it seems I’ll just keep not being able to finish them again and again from the experience of those 7 complete PTs I did do (I just wasn’t getting any better!).

So would you please give me some advice on how should I train myself to get a 170+ for the next 3 months (especially for these two main problems I pointed out)?

Thanks a lot for your help!

I need to know where can I find the circle games and the pattern games?

Trying to be prepared for the curveballs that the LSAT may through at me!

Is anyone thinking about retaking the LSAT in June before matriculation to law school for a possible increase in scholarship/ stipend?

I just wanted to put this out there for anyone who might have done/is doing what I just did in my study process. Just to give a small preface, I'm generally a pretty impatient person and I also set extremely high standards for myself. Sound familiar?

That being said when I started 7Sage I was so eager to get through it and start cranking out PTs to see how I was performing, sure that as soon as I knew some of the material that would somehow manifest in immediate and remarkable improvement. Needless to say I quickly saw the huge flaw in making that kind of mistake. Even though I initially did see improvement from my diagnostic (152), after about the 6th PT of getting the same score (160, 159, 161, etc), I realized I must be doing something wrong. What I did wrong was that I rushed through a lot of the Core Curriculum. Because many of the concepts made sense to me I didn't see it as necessary that I really spend time drilling them into my brain to make them second nature. The impatience got the best of me. I now realize there is a reason to spend your sweet ass time on the curriculum - it actually makes you better at this test. Who woulda thought?!

I know this all seems logical and for many of you perhaps it would seem ridiculous I would do that, but I figure that if I did it there are probably others who have or who are doing it as well, and keeping themselves from a true opportunity for growth simply because of a lack of patience. I stopped taking PTs because I saw it as pointless to waste precious tests if I wasn't getting out of them what I should, and went back to the CC. I started to review lessons I skimmed over and really did the drills in full. Instead of just answering the questions (kind of doing BR but not really), checking my answers and then moving on, I began to do the questions, BR them, then watch the videos - and this is important - EVEN if I got the answers right. There is so much in these videos that helps in solidifying being able to recognize the patterns of this test that anyone who has invested in this program would be doing a huge disservice to themselves to not take advantage of. Before I only watched the videos, if I did at all, for the questions I got wrong. I missed a great opportunity in doing that to learn so much valuable information that can be gained from different question types.

Again I'm putting this out there because even though I it's embarrassing to admit not doing something the way it's meant to be done and thereby making the mistake I made, it's something that I'm sure plagues many eager students who want to see quick and big results. All I can say is go to a yoga class, take a few deep breaths and say Goose Fraba - it'll all be okay. Learn as much as you can, soak in the CC, then march into those PTs and start getting the scores that are more reflective of your potential. The only reason you would not be scoring where you'd like is because somewhere along the line you cut corners (or at least that's what I think).

Hope this helps someone out there struggling with the same issues I have been struggling with.

Cambridge just stopped making the PDFs of all the Practice Tests available a few weeks ago. I was going to send a friend the link because that's where I got a lot of mine, but couldn't find it anywhere on their site. I called them up and the guy confirmed they discontinued selling them because LSAC is cracking down. Would be nice if LSAC would make these available through their website at the very least... I feel bad for all of those who missed the boat on this one.

That being said, does anyone know of other companies that are still able to sell PDF downloads of the tests? I think people would find it helpful to see an updated list since it seems this kind of thing is changing rapidly. I know there are some books out there besides the 10 Actuals and Superprep that have some of the PTs not covered but the one's I have found are very expensive.

My 18 Point Increase Story (with Sage Nicole Hopkins)

Friday 3/18 at 9pm ET

You asked for it—this Friday I'll be sharing insights from my epic 1.5 year journey from a 152 diagnostic. This webinar is appropriate for all levels of prep. I'll share the good, the bad, the ugly, and the burnout—and the goal is to help you avoid some mistakes I made as well as highlight some best practices I've collected along the way. Bring your questions!

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My 18 Point Increase Story with Sage Nicole Hopkins

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I've just had an apostrophe, and it's about time too. I think it's something a lot of people probably deal with, so I thought I'd share in the hopes that maybe someone else can benefit from my many months of error.

Time is a huge shadow hanging over the LSAT. No matter how much we know, none of it matters much if we can't apply it with speed. So over the course of my studies, I have been in an epic struggle against time, fighting it with every tool at my disposal. As is good and right. However, I've realized that I was in a race down the stairs, and I was jumping off the landing when I should have just been quickly and calmly descending the stairs.

I discovered this by taking an LR section with a stopwatch instead of a timer. I wanted to find what I'm calling my "natural speed"- not a BR, but not time restricted either. How far away from my goal of a comfortable 30 minute LR section am I? So, I moved quickly and calmly, finished the section, and stopped the clock at 32:30. I couldn't believe it. That's my average speed under timed conditions. Inconceivable.

This result obviously called for some reflection. What does it all mean?

And what it means is this: I had no idea what speed meant. I thought I was "going fast" but all I was doing was "panicking." Speed is not attained by moving ever faster and faster. It's earned by mastering the fundamentals. If I'm having time issues, it doesn't mean I need to go faster, it means I've got to go back to core. If I'm spending six minutes on a complex parallel question, it doesn't mean I need to "go faster," it means I need to go back to the lessons so I can translate the question and answers into lawgic more fluidly. That's the nature of speed on the LSAT.

I hope this resonates with/helps out some others. Mostly because if it's just me then I look like kinda an idiot. But also because if you're like me and feel that underlying sense of haste and panic, maybe this will help you put your finger on the problem and to ultimately overcome it.

Did this happen yesterday?

Sufficient Assumption Intensive (with Sage Jimmy Dahroug)

Wednesday 3/16 at 7:30pm ET

Sage Jimmy (173) will be taking us to Logical Reasoning: Sufficient Assumption bootcamp this Wednesday, so get pumped to ramp up your LR skills and join this webinar.

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