7Sage After Dark: PT 77 Logic Games

A 7sage Webinar, hosted by @Pacifico | Weds. 1/20 9pm ET

The first in a series of webinars exploring everyone's favorite LSAT section. Pacifico will be taking you through the LG section from PT 77 to include the infamous 3rd game! Pacifico will be covering question specific strategies, when to split game boards, time/section management, and what to do when weird games rear their ugly heads. Last but not least Pacifico will be starting a living document of LG guidelines to help you on your LSAT journey. Join Pacifico for the first edition of 7Sage After Dark this Wednesday at 9pm EST.

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I access my account, the silent questions show as playing, nothing appears but a dark screen??

This is relatively minor but for transcripts, if your semester hours are relatively low (98) should you write an addendum? I took a lot of AP classes in HS to graduate early and I don't know if that would be reflected on my application.

Is there a ETA on these explanations (77 - Dec 2015) ? Read a post several weeks ago that they would most likely be out before Feb 2016 exam.

I have seen a lot of posts regarding a decrease in PT scores and/or an increase in difficulty with the newer PTs (70-77). Is there anything in specific that makes these tests harder? I am just starting to PT(starting in the 30s and working my way up) and wondering if there is anything I can attempt to practice while taking these older PTs in preparation for the more moderns tests.

Taking the test in a few weeks and I want to make sure I perform my best on test day. I do my best to mimic test-day conditions in terms of break/time but I usually take these tests in really quiet rooms. Yesterday I took a free proctored exam offered by Manhattan and it was also really quiet. Will it be like this on test-day or should i expect to be distracted? Also, does anyone have any other tips on how to make sure one performs his/her best on test day? TIA!

Terrible with mapping and circle games and would appreciate if anyone can recommend a book/site to help. 7sage doesn't really address these kinds of games. And also, does anyone have a list of all they types of miscellaneous games? Want to make sure I practice at least a few of each type. Thanks!

Hey, everyone!

So I took the LSAT in December and scored a 151 in spite of consistently scoring 155-160 in my PTs. I'm taking the test again in February and need some advice from those who have used the LG/RC Bibles. I'm allotting 8hrs a day every day until the test to digest these two new books and was wondering if anyone has used this material and has any advice?

I'm worried that I won't have enough time (roughly three weeks) to get the most out of the new material. If anyone can shed some light on what they believe was most important/helpful in these books, I would really, really, really appreciate it!!!

I'm a non-traditional student and worked FT since age 16 to support myself. Ended up getting a GED in my early 20s, going to community college, and transferring to a top 3 private university. I have been working with nonprofit legal services providers for the last 4+ years. Still, I had 5 jobs before graduating and all of them were in restaurants. I would like to include at least some of these in the resume, but not all.

I'm just having difficulties deciding how far back I need to go for pre-graduation jobs. Do I start with the job I had when I started community college? Or should I just include all 5 of them?

I would really appreciate some advice. Thank you!

Is there anyway we can add a grader to the problem set sections? This way after the course is completed I can view my overall percentage of where I missed the most and work accordingly. Would also be nice to revisit these problems mixed up to truly see if I have understood the concepts without knowing the type of problem I am working on.

Thanks

Hey everybody,

Since many people have been clamoring for this I thought I'd start a new thread for the older and non-traditional future lawyers among us. Feel free to ask any questions you may have or share any stories or ideas you think would be beneficial to the non-trad community here. I'll bump this thread as needed for awhile to keep things going if people are lurking more than posting.

All that being said, don't despair old people! This is not business school so you are not getting dinged for your age around here. I know we are getting late in the app season but if anyone has questions for applying as an older candidate then bring them on and myself and other old timers will do our best to assist you!

Also feel free to talk about any other old people stuff you want (e.g.- marriage, kids, finding a reliable babysitter, etc.) and most of all have fun!

Anyone working on their personal statements (whether just starting or polishing the final), I strongly suggest reaching out to David Busis (www.davidbusis.com). He's the guy who wrote 7Sage's personal statement add-on lessons (which you also should buy). I worked with him directly to help my essay along. We brainstormed about strong topics, organization, and articulation of key ideas. TREMENDOUSLY helpful. Reasonable hourly rate, and well worth it. He's not the kind of guy to milk the clock, and the thorough advisory letters and edits he writes for you offer you insights that will allow you to make fairly drastic changes to your paper. If you're committed to differentiating your personal statement, he is your guy. Any questions about my work with him, message me directly and I'll clear it up for you.

Good luck to all sagers.

After giving PT 70 and 71 i felt LR was considerably harder than before, is it only me or everyone felt this ? Is LR harder for PT 70+ compare to PT in 60's

I am just starting the course and targeting the June or December LSAT.

I have a question that may seem trite, but goes to the heart of learning. Why in the world would we be asked to take a practice test (at the beginning of the course) on concepts many of us have never studied? Do you take a logic exam on the first day of class in philosophy? Do you take a geometry "practice test" on the first day of class? I get the measuring "baseline", but shouldn't your baseline be AFTER you have taken the course material ? Your improvement from there is what matters, not from what you walk in with.

I'm just curious as to the reasoning. It makes no sense to me but perhaps I am missing something.

In taking the LSAT in October and then again in December, I improved my LSAT score by 11 points. Thank you to JY and all of the 7Sage staff for producing a great program!

Best of luck to everyone preparing for the next exam!

I'm almost done with the curriculum (skipped many problems sets on purpose). I have pretty good accuracy and speed with LR. But I have trouble with LG. I can always make all the right inferences, but it takes me way too much time to complete the entire game. This is quite consistent with my first diagnostic test (75% right on LR and only 40% on LG). I want to improve my LG with the Fool Proof method before I start PTing. I bought almost all PTs. Many people on the 7Sage forum mentioned that PTs have changed quite a bit over the years. I'm wondering if I should start with PT1 or a more recent PT to specifically focus on improving my LG? Thank you guys very much!!

I currently have three (of what I would presume to be solid) academic references, all from professors. I have been out of school and working at my current job for just under two years. I plan on applying during the next cycle, so I will have hopefully been at my job for just over three years. With this gap between schooling and my personal statement centering around my job, should I shoot for a professional reference? If so, is four total references (usually the max allowed, it seems) obnoxious?

Hi everyone. Just attended an amazing webinar by David Busis about writing law school essays. However, the questions round had to be limited to 20 minutes. There was an interesting question that we missed just at the end of the session and it was something like - "how to explain 6+ years of experience before applying to law school". Any ideas, folks? Or if David is around maybe he can guide us. Should this be an addendum rather than a PS? I'm an applicant with about 5 years total experience so I'd really like to know :). Thanks!

I have a brief question regarding the question difficulty label (i.e. the Question Level from 1 -5) on 7sage. How are these determined? Are they relative difficulty compared to all LSAT questions, or relative to questions of the same set?

I searched the discussion archives and couldn't find anything. Some suggested that it's related to how people responded to the question on 7sage. But that doesn't seem to be right, for some questions (e.g. P38, Sect 1, #21, difficulty level 4), most people seemed to have gotten it right (based on the answer choice distribution).

I would love some insights about this. Thanks!

I've found that I'm very stubborn when I take a PT and BR questions. But the problem is when I review the question and listen to the explanation, even if I understand my mistake, I can never seem to really change my thought pattern when I revisit the question weeks later. The explanation just doesn't seem to be sufficient enough to override my own false intuition. Even if I end up getting the question correct, I can't help but notice that it's more because I remembered the right answer than understood exactly why. I could recall the reason used to justify it as the right answer but I can't say with all honesty that it's entirely convincing or that I would be able to spot it in future questions. I think this is a product of having studied for so long for this test where I've internalized certain ways of thinking that I just can't seem to change. I wouldn't say my fundamentals are lacking because I've been through this course, and others before, many many times. Instead, I think my problem is that I'm unable to extract patterns because I get so bogged down on the individual question that I resort to the same thought pattern that leads to pick the same exact answer choice.

Any advice on how I can actually learn from my mistake? How are people able to effectively understand a problem, abstract it, and apply it to others to improve? I think this is what's always held me down and is the key to any sort of improvement on LR.

For some reason I am having a lot of trouble with these and it is weird because I spent a lot of time on identifying the parts of arguments correctly in the beginning stages of the course and things seemed to be going smoothly up until then.

I noticed that except for Harvard, most schools do not provide a column for listing awards received in college. Where can we list those? On resume?

Thank you so much.

I'm trying to apply to law school but I have a major problem. I've worked at an uneventful startup the last two years. It's been my passion but now I don't have anyone to ask for a letter of recommendation. I graduated in 2013 and I don't think that my professors/ mentors will remember me. Also, my resume has major gaps bc I've only been at this "company" and the shitty odd jobs in college. I'm the first person in my family to graduate from college. Any suggestions would be great.

I'm just curious and trying to gauge how long other people take because sometimes I feel like I'm taking forever. I also clean copy BR

After I take the LSAT, I usually BR the RC and half of a LR Section. This takes about 2-3 hours so my total time for that day plus LSAT is 5-6 hours. At this point, my brain is drained and I don't think I'm doing myself any favors by continuing.

The next day, I BR the other half of the LR and the other LR. This can about 2-3 hours. Then. It takes me about 3-4 hours to throughly review the questions I missed. I type out my reasoning after watching JYs explanation.

Then I review the RC, which takes about an hour to 1.5 hours.

Then I do the games/watch explanations and re-do them. About 2-2.5 hours.

All in all, I usually can't even finish in 2 days. It takes me about 12+ hours to throughly finish. Am I hitting diminishing returns? Thanks.

If you won the powerball? If I won, I'd be more likely to buy a law school than attend one.