Hello there everyone,

happy to say that I finally got myself out of burn out and back into the "killing the lsat while riding a unicorn" mindset.

I am planning on taking the Dec 5th, LSAT (Not sure if that's a good idea or not). I did a PT before starting the 7Sage program and my baseline score was a 137 (I didn't have enough time to finish LG but I thought I was going to get a 120 so I surprised myself for an LSAT noob). I am getting through the 7Sage program slowly as I am going back and re-taking lessons and re-doing quizzes and practice questions so I 100% get it before moving on.

Anyways, I was wondering if anyone else is taking another form of LSAT prep? Like a course? (I'm in Canada so some courses we don't have here) or reading books? I've heard lots about the LSAT Trainer and the Powerscore LG Bible and I will be taking a LG weekend course in Toronto in Nov.

Just wanted to get some opinions as I kind of feel like the 7Sage program might not be enough. I did buy the Kaplan books last year but I find them very hard to follow and haven't heard good things about the Kaplan program so I want to keep my LSAT mind away from any bad habits Kaplan would get me in.

Thanks :)

Hello! I just got my Academic Summary report back from LSAC and it has recalculated my GPA to be far higher than my university lists it as. The policy differs from college to college within my university, but mine doesn't count grades received from performing and visual arts classes into our GPA's. The arts classes must be taken for credit and the grade is shown on my official transcript, so LSAC went ahead and added them to my GPA. (It's kind of nice I guess because one of my ensembles is pretty demanding and eats up between 10 - 20 hours a week of my time. I love it, but it's challenging at times with work/class.)

Do you think I'll need to write an addendum to explain the discrepancy? Also, I know they'll get my university transcript anyways, so is the boost pointless?

Hey all,

I compiled employment data for the T14 and feeder schools. For the purpose of this, Biglaw=firm with 100+ attorneys

Disclaimer: this data alone does not take self-selection into account

The following is the outcomes in order of the rankings

Yale- 60.43%

Harvard- 71.16%

Stanford- 74.87%

Columbia- 78.85%

Chicago- 75.71%

NYU- 71.40%

Penn- 78.06%

UVA- 67.62%

Duke- 70.23%

Berkeley- 62.37%

Michigan- 53.85%

Northwestern- 64.95%

Cornell- 74.35%

Georgetown- 48.40%

UT- 46.44%

UCLA- 39.58%

Vanderbilt- 41.24%

USC- 41.01%

Fordham- 37%

Ranked in order of outcomes

Columbia

Penn

Chicago

Stanford

Cornell

NYU

Harvard

Duke

UVA

Northwestern

Berkeley

Yale

Michigan

Georgetown

UT

Vanderbilt

USC

UCLA

Fordham

I'm on my 5th PT, and I've ranged from 156-159 with about 8/9 in LR, 6/7 LG errors, and 7 RC errors on average. My blind review scores are upper 160s. Most of my wrong ? types are Flaws, SA, NA's. Is my best bet to continue PT and drill flaws, NA, SA on my off days? Further, I am concerned that I am scoring low...will my score increase with more familiarity or am I missing some fundamentals possibly. Thanks!

On some of the videos you use the mind map note strategy, I was wondering if you have that available for purchase?

I took the Kaplan program in July and after 3 weeks I was completely lost and virtually clueless as to how LGs were being done and LR was not any easier. After looking online for other resources I found 7sage and it was a huge help especially in LG. It seemed like no matter what I did though I could not seem to determine the game type immediately and timing was/is killing. For RC and LR the biggest flaw I found about myself is the inability to read strategically, I keeping finding myself having to re-read over and over resulting in wasted time and repeating the same mistakes.

This has to be the most stressful exam I have ever taken in my life. When I would see some of the anticipated answers that people would come up with it was a WTF moment for sure. Overall I must say that I enjoyed the challenge and whatever my score is I am ok with. The score is certainly not a result of lack of effort that's for sure.

My lowest prep test score was 136 and highest was 140, I know that Saturday's test was no better. Time to prepare for the December test though.

Any advice, comments or criticism??

Literally, No idea.

Oxygen.18 is a heavier-than-normal isotope of oxygen. In a rain cloud, water molecules containing oxygen-18 are rarer than water molecules containing normal oxygen. But in rainfall, a higher proportion of all water molecules containing oxygen-18 than of all water molecules containing ordinary oxygen descends to earth. Consequently, scientists were surprised when measurements along the entire route of rain clouds' passage from above the Atlantic Ocean, the site of their original formation, across the Amazon forests, where it rains almost daily, showed that the oxygen-18 content of each of the clouds remained fairly constant.

19. Which one of the following statements, if true, best helps to resolve the conflict between scientists' expectations, based on the known behavior of oxygen-18, and the result of their measurements of the rain clouds' oxygen-IS content?

(A) Rain clouds above tropical forests are poorer in oxygen-18 than rain clouds above unforested regions.

(B) Like the oceans, tropical rain forests can create or replenish rain clouds in the atmosphere above them.

(C) The amount of rainfall over the Amazon rain forests is exactly the same as the amount of rain originally collected in the clouds formed above the Atlantic Ocean.

(D) The amount of rain recycled back into the atmosphere from the leaves of forest vegetation is exactly the same as the amount of ram in river runoffs that is not recycled into the atmosphere.

(E) Oxygen-18 is not a good indicator of the effect of tropical rain forests on the atmosphere above them.

20. Which one of the following inferences about an individual rain cloud is supported by the passage?

(A) Once it is formed Over the Atlantic, the rain cloud contains more ordinary oxygen than oxygen-18.

(B) Once it has passed over the Amazon, the rain cloud contains a greater-than-normal percentage of oxygen-18.

(C) The clouds rainfall contains more oxygen-18 than ordinary oxygen.

(D) During a rainfall, the cloud must surrender the same percentage of its ordinary oxygen as of its oxygen-18.

(E) During a rainfall, the cloud must surrender more of its oxygen-l8 than it retains.

I understand how E is correct, but what makes A incorrect?

Doesn't Cynthia think that if a project seeks to further our theoretical understanding, then it should get government funding? And Luis think that Get government funding only if expected to yield practical applications?

Answer choice A says that pure theoretical research should get funding (which C would agree with), but the research might have unforeseen practical applications (which means that the practical applications are not expected). So, doesn't this meet the sufficient condition for C and fail the necessary condition for L? How would they not disagree on this?

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Hey guys, I just got the LSAT trainer. I'm not officially starting 7sage until I finish school this summer, but I was told to look over the trainer to familiarize myself with the LSAT's material. Are there any sections in the trainer that I don't need to look at, or should I run through everything?

First things first, hello. I am very new to this site, and I found it while scrounging the net for any resources I could get my mitts on. That said, I have a question for any willing and/or able to help.

I know a lot of my weaknesses when I take this test, and I know how to fight a lot of them. For example, I panic when I see the ticking clock, but that can be conditioned out. The main problem I've been having is that while I've been studying for the better part of 3 months (with just shy of 2 to go), it seems like a lot of my practice just churns up the same undesirable results. I check my answers regularly and review helpful question strategies but seem to keep slipping up on stupid, easily avoidable mistakes. Maybe I am simply not cut out for this test, but suffice it to say I refuse to accept that.

To avoid this conclusion, I'd like to know what method(s), shifts in point of view, study regiment changes, and all other such alterations that might have helped you break through to a better grade the most effectively.

Thanks much in advance for any insight you might offer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/3nqa0l/my_lsat_farewell/

Thought I would share a post I wrote this morning on Reddit. Thanks for all of the support and motivation from this 7sage community, all of your input and advice helped make this test so much more than just a test for me. Hope some of what I wrote can motivate some of you to working a little harder, because that hard work will pay off. Hooooorah to all those test takers who finished up their studies with me on Saturday, and best of luck to all those future test takers, take this test as an opportunity and grab it by the horns!!

Firstly, I am in Canada. Since there are some universities who have a deadline for November 1st, should I apply now or wait? The reason I ask this is because, I just wrote the October LSAT (It was my first time) and I am really not sure how I did. If I apply now then I either have to mention that they look at the marks for October LSAT or the December one. However I don't want to write December, if my October mark is fine and I don't want to write my October LSAT as the determiner if it's not that good. I know that most people write a second time, so should I play it safe and submit my application now with the December LSAT or should I wait till October 26-28 when I know my October results and then apply within those days dependent on the score I get. I am also worried that If I wait that long, my chances will be reduced due to rolling admission and applying so late in the cycle only a few days before the November 1st deadline. Please help me!

I just took the LSAT for the first time this past Saturday (10/3). I know I didn't do as well as I need to - or even as well as I was PTing leading up the test. The RC threw me off and I had a mini panick attack (I calmed down quickly). Also, the break threw me off my concentration.

With all that said, I'm feeling good about retesting in December! the first time experience should help me be more calm, and I feel like I know exactly where I need to focus my efforts.

I'm thinking of buying the LR, LG, and RC bundles for PT1-38 from CambridgeLSAT, but am curious what the thoughts are about the reliability of old PTs vs. newer? Of course, I'm gonna do the new ones, but I'm gonna save them for closer to December. Are PT's 1-38 worth the time and money?

The common understanding among law school applicants is that if you want a reasonable shot at practicing "big law" you HAVE to get T14. My questions is, why 14? I understand that you have to draw a line at some point, but I'm just wondering why its 14. Would the difference (chances getting into big law firms) between Cornell (#13) and Georgetown (#14), if there is any, be significantly different from the difference between Georgetown and UT (#15)?

I understand that it seems silly, but many people I've talked to really seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on the idea of T14. So really, two questions, to whoever either has an answer or any opinion. I am currently in the running for most of T14. I am about 90% sure I would like to work in big law, and perhaps even internationally, so geography and regional strengths are really non-factors. Would it be unreasonable to choose UCLA #16 over say the #12, 13, or 14 schools if I just like UCLA better? Also, if 14 does happen to be the magic number, how do we account for the fact that these rankings DO change, and that what's 14 today may be 16 or 17 in 3 years?

Hey all,

I thought I'd make a thread about possible curves for the exam. Yes, I know, it is purely speculation. Many people thought the exam was comparatively very difficult. In fact, Spivey posted an article about the difficulty, which can be found here (http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/help-i-failed-the-lsat-october-edition/)

What is the consensus on 7sage? Did you guys find the exam to be of moderate difficulty, or more or less? I think this exam was slightly more difficult than 72.

This is very subjective given that everyone is different. For me, when I see that the stimulus is long, I tend to skip and attempt to come back because I am not a very fast reader.

My question is, does this seem like a fairly good approach, or are there some signals that I am overlooking to determine if a question is more so on the difficult side?

Hey fellow 7sagers, and a special hi to those in Korea.

I've taken the LSAT in June and got a 169, and am looking for a study partner or two who'll help me stay motivated (as will I to you(s)) for the upcoming December LSAT.

I believe that we could be most helpful to each other if you have at least scored a 168~169 on the real test and/or have been PTing in the 170s. (For those of you who'd like to know more about me: I have graduated from college in the U.S. and was born in 1990)

I'll be studying in Gangnam (Apgujeongdong) or Bundang. I work at a prep academy so I can provide space for mock tests.

hit me up if you're interested!

Anyone here take the test in Asia? Based on what I've read everyone in Asia had the same test and it appears we were given the identical test given Dec 2012 in Asia. The RC and one of the LG games is definitely the same as Dec 2012. Everyone has 2 LGs and trying to sort which is the experimental.

In understand that the word “for” introduces a premise with the conclusion following the premise or preceding this word. Does this this concept apply when “for example” is in the stimulus?

Please explain. Thank you.

Whenever I take LR and RC from preptests (esp,LR), sometimes I can't be sure whether I pick the right answer.

When I choose an answer, I think like "Hmm..It looks like it's an answer." or "It might be right." and I choose and then move on to the next question even if I'm not sure about the answer. So half of the answers I choose are usually right and the other half are wrong.

So being unsure about choosing answers always makes me feel really worried and annoyed. Especially, PT50s and recent ones make me feel vulnerable and worried. I want to be sure and certain (e.g Yes, this is an answer!) when I pick answers.

How can I overcome about this problem?

Please someone give me advice.

Thanks!

For the retakers out there.... I think I made a costly error on game 3 (I see I'm not alone there) but anyway I have a feeling I won't be achieving my target score. For those of you in a similar boat, when are you going to kick it back into gear? I had been going pretty hard and was getting pretty tired towards the end and was planning on taking a week off from studying before getting back at it next Monday. Is that too much time off? What're your guys plans of attack going forward?

I have searched around discussion boards online and it does not seem that anyone or any group of people have identified the experimental LR from the test yesterday. In June, I remember it being easy to discuss and identify the experimental LR just like RC and LG usually is. I had LR(26) LR(26) RC LR(25) LG, the 25 question one was real and luckily it was cake, but for the life of me I cannot figure out which 26 question section was experimental, nor can I remember specific questions from them. Also have seen people note about there being 2 questions for a stimulus which I did not have so that must be experimental as well, which means the test had 2 possible experimental LR's... which seems bizarre. Also, talking to other people that had taken the test at my center they had LR LG RC LR LG or LR RC RC LR LG. Does this mean that my 2nd section is for sure the experimental or is there a chance my 2nd section was their 1st section?? Any feedback would be appreciated, would love to have a confirmation on this as the 1st LR(26) was insanely hard (especially compared to the 2nd LR(26)) and that being the real one could definitely be a detriment to my score. ): Hope everyone's test went well, thanks to this 7sage community for getting me as prepared as I could have been for Saturday!

If one has learned all of the valid argument forms, does it make sense to learn the invalid forms? Of course, I could be incorrect, but it seems to be redundant to learn both. Please assist. Thank you.

I just got both books but I believe I won't have much time to go through both by the December LSAT. Which one would you recommend I keep?

Hey guess, know BR timing is really a subjective thing here, I can reasonably spend 45 minutes on a question until I've really understood the question. Alternatively, I can figure out a question the second I finish rereading something that I missed the first leg around. So I'm curious, how long do you take on average to BR a PT?