Hey all,

I just got accepted to Georgetown today. I feel so relieved that I am T14 secure. I feel forever indebted to 7sage because there is no way that my score would have improved so much without JY and Jonathan's curriculum, and the BR groups on Skype. 7sage has an amazing community, which has motivated me to challenge myself to work harder and harder. Trust me, if I can do it, all of you can do it. I scored a disappointing 147 on my diagnostic and scored a 167 on the October exam after 10 months of hard work. I am still going to retake in December because I was scoring in the 170s and I would like to receive $$$ from the T14. I hope that there are many more acceptances to come. For the people on 7sage who aren't scoring really high, don't give up hope. You, too, can break through your "glass ceiling" and reach your LSAT goals. I plateaued in the 160-163 range for nearly two months. It can be overcome. All it takes is motivation and a will to succeed. I hope other 7sagers have great results as well this application cycle as a result of all of their hard work.

#7sage

#BRcrew

#doyouevenLSAT?

I'm now considering postponing my test until February but still applying for the Fall 2016 cycle with the score I have until I the other score. My issue with postponing the exam is I don't have a plan of what I need to start doing differently in order to see results... I've been at the same score 151 roughly even after finish the 7sage course. What can I do to ensure that it will go up? I've been at a 151 since April... And seen no sign of improvement. My weakest section is LR I'm averaging -11 -12 per section. Someone please help! I've messaged 7sage tutors and have yet to get a response. Should I just take the exam and be done with it? I feel hopeless at this point.

Summary: This is far and away the ideal test center. If you're anywhere near DFW or North/East Texas, take the test here! I told an LSAC employee about my experience and she said it was one of the best she had ever heard of. I would even consider making the trek from OKC or Austin.

Setting Pros: We were in small rooms; I had 9 other people in my room. Each person had an entire large table. My room was in the basement near a bathroom.

Parking free and easy. Right off the freeway.

Setting Cons: It might get a little cold. Not a lot of great hotels nearby but you could branch out a bit (if traveling to the test center).

Proctor Pros: We had 2 lovely proctors who kept time very well. They were extremely quiet and respectful.

Proctor Cons: None.

Hello,

If I upgrade, but then change my mind for whatever reason, am I able to get a full refund for the upgrade, if I decide I no longer want it?

Has anyone been able to get their hands on the October test yet? It's showing up on Amazon but it says out of stock. So what's more likely ,everyone and their mother bought it or is it showing up to order even though it's not available yet?

Dear JY,

I love your website. The explanations for the logical games are carefully thought out and well presented. I wished I knew about your website before I spent $3000 on testprep material from Kaplan and Powerscore. Sage7 appears to have a far superior lesson plan for the LSAT.

So far, I have completed about 100 games and I plan on doing all 340 games. However, I am struggling with sufficiency/ necessary and formal logical concepts. Does the either the LSAT Ultimate or Premium cover these concepts in greater detail than what I can find in my Power Score books?

As an older research scientist (and patent analyst) with several graduate degrees and significant experience in academia, I find the process of law school admissions quite myopic and certainly not holistic; despite what some adcoms might say publicly. Lawyers I know say the process is flawed: “Just get the best scores possible and get into the most reputable (based on rankings) school possible; UT Austin law top 50% makes it much easier to get a job than a top 5% at Texas A&M.”

In your opinion, how heavily weighted is the LSAT score above anything else in your application?

After applying to several schools in 2010, I got the impression there is a minimal threshold of either an Index or LSAT score before they will review an application. I would predict they triage applications based on LSAT scores (e.g. 170s vs 160s vs 150s vs 140s stacks) until they fill up their class. In 2010, I was accepted at two private schools ranked about 80th and 120th with a 154 and about a 3.20 total GPA. However, I wasn't offered any financial aid. So, I decided not to attend because of the debt and the difficulty in finding a job from those schools.

Since then, I have worked for a patent litigation firm as a scientific adviser and passed the patent bar exam.

My goal is to get my LSAT score between the 25%-75% admissions profile of all my target schools (ranked 20-100) and then just let my applications fly.

Given the expense of law school, how associates are hired (based on class rank and perceived school reputation) and that only a few big firms which do IP work in the life sciences, I am only going to aim for law schools ranked between 20-100 (mostly 20-50). Otherwise, it might not be a prudent investment to attend a lesser ranked school (or at least until I can obtain the right LSAT score to get in the right school with financial aid). I predict I will need about a 160-165 before my application would be considered or even possibly read by these schools. In my opinion, a tier 3 or 4 school is not worth the 100-150 K in debt and the lack of job prospects.

Recently, I contacted a highly regarded admissions consultant and got into a rather contentious discussion about the relevance of the LSAT in the admissions process. Further, we talked how rankings influence a student's ability to get a job after graduation. In my opinion, this over-emphasis on LSAT scores seems rather silly and doctoral programs never place so much weight on one's GRE scores. She kept arguing that the LSAT is a good indicator of first year grades. As I laughed, I told her that's manure and certainly not worth $250 per hour.

I pointed out that the correlation coefficient between LSAT scores and first year grades is roughly 0.36 median with a margin of error between .12 to .56. The correlation coefficient between LSAT scores and the bar passage rate is even lower. Law school grades and bar passage rates seem to be more strongly correlated. As a scientist who has performed correlation analysis on medical data, any statistician will tell you that a correlation less than 0.40 is rather meaningless and that there is no relationship between the two events. Plus, the margin of error is rather large. The distinctions adcoms (and students) try to make about subtle scores differences is just flawed based on the LSAC statistics.

So why do administrative legal professionals make these conclusions about LSAT scores, law schools grades, rankings, and bar passage rates?

Are they just trying to protect their jobs and voice their support for the standardized test industry?

Don't they understand the LSAT is teachable with practice and favors rich students with a lot of money to pay for tutors and LSAT prep classes?

My boss, a partner, remarked to me about this: "the most qualitative profession chooses the most quantitative approach for admissions into the profession."

References:

http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/your-score/law-school-performance

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2013/09/law-school-gpa-.html

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-interpret-a-correlation-coefficient-r.html

(see the last section on interpreting coefficients)

I have found myself getting irritated and impatient when people make illogical arguments during general conversations. I am also painfully cognizant of the "illogical-ness" of their arguments. Social events are even more stressful ;-) Please add your observed "side-effects"

http://www.wsj.com/articles/on-friday-the-first-thing-we-do-lets-love-all-the-lawyers-1446774232

It's today!

All Librarians enjoy spending time organizing books. Since Susan enjoys spending time organizing books, I imagine she's a librarian.

It is well known know that Yahoo Corporation has slashed the amount it pays in salaries by 6 percent this year. Since Jeff works at Yahoo, his salary was reduced by 6 percent.

Are these different flaws or the same?

Hey there fellow busy people.

I have read a lot of articles talk about how people balance the two things but most focus on finding/making time. I have made time but struggle to find focus during that time.

I study an hour or so every morning before work (I go in at 9 but can show up as late as 930 if I stay longer) and try to study when I get home for at least 2 hours. The thing is, my morning hours are usually OK but not great because I'm still waking up (wake up at 645) and my evening hours are getting worse and worse. I catch my self making silly mistakes I normally don't make. Forget PTing, things as simple as drilling games or LR. When it comes to things like wording I miss things where when I BR I'm like "duh." It is like my full focus isn't there and I can feel it not being there. I miss more things during evening drills than during weekend PTs.

I've tried meditating for 10 minutes or so when I get home but it hasn't quite done it. Though it has only been about a week of trying it. I've though about doing drills during lunch but I only have a 30-40 minute lunch but I usually want that time as an actual break to get a breather in my long day. Is this being lazy? And even if I do, its at most 20 minutes worth of games that will just make me feel more stressed at work. Doesn't seem worth it.

Should I be hitting the gym between work and studying or taking a nap?

I just feel like I'm wasting material often times when I drill while tired. Not sure if it would be better to do things untimed or take longer on my BRs from my weekend PTs or simply read some old RC material to get use to the passages.

So in summary I'm wonder if I should make changes to when I'm studying, how I'm studying, or what I am studying.

It was easier before when I was mostly watching curriculum during the week but now that I am done with it I am a little thrown off. For now I decided to take a LSAT break this weekend and go on a little trip somewhere to see if it is jut burnout but I think it is more than that. Like an actual problem with my study schedule/strategy.

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Hello,

Would the LSAT ever use the same flaw type that has subcategories in the same question? For example, would it ever have multiple answer choices that would say A) over generalization B) Bisased sampling , etc. there are many subcategories of this flaw type but would they have answer choices that falls under the subcategories

Like the title says, I'd registered for the Dec at JFKU law and had enquired about seating conditions at it with the test center staff. I received an update that suggests that seating will be bad (multiple people on the same desk), which can be very distracting for me.

Should I change the test center? The Deadline is Today so I don't have much time.

I am open to driving far as long as the center has excellent seating and will be staying at a hotel the night before.

I am considering other centers in Bay Area.

I am consideting UoP McGeorge Law at Sacramento but don't know anything about this test center.

Any opinions on if I should change and to what center in Bay Area?

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hi,

for those of you (like me) who might have started in the late 140s and have been stuck in the 50s for a while...

how do you convince yourself that it CAN BE DONE? I had 161 as my best score and 160 and then dropped back down. I can feel that part of me doesn't even believe that it even is possible, to get into the higher 160s much less in the 170s. i know at this point i need to convince myself of the actual possibility of this happening, or my scores won't budge. do you meditate on a specific number? Use a vision board? zone in on where improvement has actually happened? I was just curious if anyone had any advice. I read the "don't give up post" (thanks!) but can still feel this weight...

I study all the time and have been for a while. I was first exposed to the LSAT 2 years ago and score in the 120s, but then the highest score I've ever gotten was a 139. Am I retarded or something? I really, really try, but I keep getting the same crappy score. I was a great student in college and did a lot of wonderful things but I feel like a failure when it comes to the LSAT and I'm tired of studying for it over and over again...like damn..when will this nightmare be over?

I've been studying on my own for some time. When I do PTs I notice that I am getting an average of 5 wrong per LR section. All of them are either assumption or paralel/parallel flaw questions. Everything else is right. I've been looking online and most of the suggestions involve diagramming. I don't know how to do that. Diagramming confuses me. Right now my results are -0 for games, -5 for reading ( which I am improving by getting used to reading more. ) but for my LR sections, I am stuck. Any suggestions or advice? Is learning how to diagram mandatory?

In a recent poll conducted among readers of popular surfing magazines, surfing was ranked as the most popular sport and beach volleyball was ranked third. Therefore, it cannot be true that tennis is more popular than both surfing and beach volleyball. Part of me feel like this is a biased sampling simply because the readers are clearly supporters of surfing; so of course they would rank it more high. On the other hand, I feel it is also an overgeneation because it bases its conclusion off of those reader's opinion, and never specified if those polled were representative of the population.

Will there ever be a flaw question containing an overgenerzation and biased poll answer choice? because if both appeared as an answer, I wouldn't know which one to choose and why

Hi I know that there are books that group the logical reasoning into question types but does anyone know of a book or other study material that has lsat questions grouped specifically by the type of flaw

EX.) the flaw: Absence of evidence-describes the flaw and then lists flawed lsat questions that are this flaw

do this for each type of flaw

(I feel this would really help me see how each type of flaw is used in a lsat question) -Thanks

PT73 S2 LR - I *really* need some help with explanations on a couple LR questions on this test

Question 9 (weaken) - Answer is C, i picked A

Question 18 (flaw) - Answer is E, i picked A

Question 19 (weaken) - Answer is B, i picked E

Question 21 (mbt) - Answer is E, i picked B

Question 22 (strengthen) - Answer is A, i picked B

*REALLLLYY* need help as I am taking the December exam. Huge thanks to anyone who will help!

Just curious if anyone keeps a spreadsheet or anything of the questions they get wrong on the PTs? Or do you all just track it in LSAT Analytics? If you do log the questions you are are getting wrong in a spreadsheet, do you actually write out the questions, answer choices etc. and make notes of why you got it wrong? Or do you just write the test number section, & question & type of question. Just trying to figure out if it would be helpful for me to do this or if it would just be wasting valuable time I could be spending more productively. I'm already doing a BR. Although I think I'm going to change the way I have been doing that. I am going to start doing an untimed BR of the complete exam instead of just reviewing the ones I circled in addition to the ones I actually got wrong. Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I'm trying to figure out the best way to make use of the 7Sage Core curriculum, the LSAT Trainer, and a bunch of grouped LR questions based on question-type (going up to PT 30) which I'm using before I go into the whole PT/ BR phase in preparation for the June 2016 test. If you've used both 7Sage and the Trainer how did you approach your studies? Is it generally advisable to go through the course and then read the Trainer or vice-versa? Would you make use of the grouped question-types at the end of each lecture on that specific type or use them later for review? I'm considering starting the whole PT/BR regimen at the end of January at the latest which would give me at least a solid 4 months before the test. I really need to structure my studies so any advice/ comments going forward would be great.

Hey all, Al here.

Throughout my long (and I mean LONG) journey with the LSAT, I've come across this specific issue more times than I can count! I'd like to give my own personal thoughts on this topic.

Fellow LSAT students (non-7sage included) have reached out to me time and time again about this recurring topic: advice. I think it's safe to say that many (if not most) people think advice is inherently good. It is after all rooted in the premise that advice helps to inform and guides those that are lacking in certain information that can help others in the long run. And in many respects, the right advice can provide an enormous positive impact on the person receiving it.

But what's rarely talked about are the devastating effects of bad advice. Bad advice can lead us to do things that we normally wouldn't consider and the negating effect can be as substantial as any good advice. Not only does it deviate a person from one's initial trajectory, but it can undo a lot of the progress they have made on their own.

But what really is the distinction between good and bad advice? Here's what I think are the major distinctions:

1. Advice is inherently subjective. What may be great advice for one person maybe horrible advice for another.

2. Good advice has specificity, whereas bad advice is openly vague. The LSAT is a great example of this. So many of the nuances embedded within concepts can be very hard to absorb and the advice provided has to not only be logically congruent within the parameters of the LSAT...it also has to make absolute sense to the person receiving it. I've seen many people (including myself many times) THINK they have an understanding of a certain tidbit of advice but really have no understanding at the core of it.

3. Good advice more often than not takes time, whereas bad advice is usually impulsive. I've noticed this for myself when I've been asked for advice. When I have the time to really think about a problem, I more often than not have something worth telling the person asking for advice.

I have been the benefactor of both great and bad advice. All three of these tenets that I've mentioned applied to me. Yes, it does suck when we get bad advice. But the onus cannot be entirely on the person providing the advice...the onus is on the one receiving it. At the end of the day, it's all about personal responsibility and knowing what truly works and what doesn't work for you.

Just food for thought.

I'm trying to significantly improve on logic games. If I study every day for an entire month for so many hours, what are the chances of me seeing major improvement?

Hi y'all, I'm studying for the upcoming Dec LSAT and am currently scoring in the low 160's. I'm interested in working with someone(s) to do PT'S/BR/Drill etc. Shoot my inbox and let's set something up to crush the LSAT. It's almost time!

What lessons are the best to review for mapping out logic? Perhaps maybe a couple rule of thumbs to always go back to would be great! I use to do very well on SA questions and now I see myself getting more than half of them wrong, I know these type of questions usually play leave on mapping out the logic.