Hi, I'm newly graduated from undergrad and I'm really unsure of how to start studying for the LSAT. I had wanted to start at the beginning of this month, but I haven't started doing anything because getting a tutor or live classes is so expensive, but I would like the accountability that studying on my own wouldn't give me. I'd like others perspectives to know what works best? Self study or having a tutor/class? I would really appreciate some advice :/

Thank you!

So I recently started taking on the PTs in the 80s to practice the more recent content in preparation for October. I started with PT83 earlier this week and took PT84 today. Here are the breakdowns:

PT83: 152 (BR: 161)

RC: -8

LG: -8

LR: -15

PT84: 159 (BR: 161)

RC: -7

LG: -8

LR: -6

So the huge score jump is clearly justified completely by me getting destroyed on LR on PT83 while doing much better on PT84 LR. However, this inconsistency worries me. Does anyone know if PT83 LR was just ridiculously hard or was PT84 LR much easier??

In addition, with 3 weeks until my October LSAT, is there any hope left for me improving LG? I’ve scored exactly and I mean exactly -8 on my last 3 PTs. Mostly because I RUSH like crazy just to be able to get to the 4th game. Is there any hope for me on LG with 3 short weeks left? Thank you for your time!

Hello everyone. With the October LSAT getting closer and closer I was looking for help with what I should do at this point. I seem to average -8 on RC and between -3 and -6 on LG. LR is a complete tossup between like a -7 or as bad as a -15. It’s my worst section. I must clearly lack some fundamentals of LR to be doing so poorly and with how little time is left until the October LSAT my question becomes: At this point, should I even bother in reviewing LR fundamentals/drilling LR weaknesses? Or should I just solely focus on LG in hopes of perfecting to -1 or -0 for a last minute score boost? I’m honestly torn because -1 or -0 on LG is not a guarantee for me but after months of studying my LR has simply not improved either.

Hi -- I often study logic games by doing a timed section from a prep test using the drill feature. The drill feature seems to scramble the order of the games, but I'd really like to intentionally order them how they would appear on the test. It throws me off when the hardest game is the second game and the easiest is last. Is there a way to do this?

Hi everyone, I need some advice.

I am currently registered to take the October and November LSAT. My issue is that with the October LSAT being a few weeks away, I feel like I am nowhere near where I wanna be in PT's. The October would be my first time taking it. My thought process was to just take the October test to practice run a real exam and have November as my more relaxed test. However, I now feel like I am not prepared for October at all and am debating just taking the November exam. I'm worried that I will freeze up during the November one and not be able to take the test again until January (I wanted to have all my apps in by end of November). Any advice on what I should do? Feeling discouraged :(

I'm stuck with 150s in timed exams and the early 160s in BR for some months now.

My study method has been this:

Take timed test. Blind review. Review wrong questions. Note reason of getting wrong. Make a list of it.

The very first timed test was in the 140s so it was great to have some increase at first but, I mean, being stuck for a few months is a bit too long.

I would really love some advice from those who experienced a significant score increase.

Any specific tips?

At the beginning of my studying I was testing using PTs from mostly the 50s and 60s. As I'm nearing the October test date and taking more recent exams, my score had been going down - from around 172 consistently to around 168 off-and-on in PTs from the mid-80s. Anybody have any advice on why this might be or how to fix this? It doesn't seem to be any one section that is falling in particular

"Unless Shiming's car is fixed, which cannot happen without Steve's help, there will be no road trip next week."

From the lesson, https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/quiz-complex-conditional-translations-4-w-answers/

I'm very confused in here because of the prior rules of mixing group 3 and group 4 conditional indicators. And in this sentence there's a bunch of them.

I understand the "final" necessary condition being /road trip next week. So the first conditional statement written in logic would be /car fixed > /road trip. This part I understand as we are using group 3 logic, negate sufficient. Simple enough.

Now to add the second part, "Unless Shiming's car is fixed, which cannot happen without Steve's help....."

In this sentence we have two group 3 indicators and one group 4 indicator. What do we do in this situation? In a previous lesson when we run into this situation, we pick one side, follow that group's negation rules, then treat the other "logical indicator" as a negation.

So for example, I want to follow group 3's rule on the indicator "unless". Which is choose a side, make it the sufficient condition, and negate. Okay. Let's pick car fixed.

So this puts me at /car fixed > which cannot happen without Steve's help.....

Now on the necessary side we have a group 3 and a group 4 logical indicator in there :DDDD.

What do we do here? If I treat both as a negation which cancels each other out, that turns into /car fixed > Steve's help. Which makes absolutely no sense at all. And even the other way around, /car fixed > /steve's help, which makes so much more sense, it doesn't fit in the final answer. This is because the contrapositive of /car fixed > /steve's help is steve's help > car fixed.

The final answer being /steve's help > /car fixed > /road trip. The contrapositive being road trip > car fixed > steve's help.

Help me please~~~

I unfortunately missed the webinar (didn’t see it was eastern time, sigh). Would anyone be willing to message me what I missed? I would appreciate it greatly!

Hi,

I took a diagnostic about 3 weeks ago and scored a 157. Since then I've taken maybe 6-7 tests and have been scoring around 170 on the last few without doing any actual studying, just glancing at why I got questions wrong and particularly emphasizing the LG section because that's what I struggled with most on my diagnostic. I'm not trying to brag or anything but I want to know realistically what it takes to get from high 160's/low 170's to consistent high 170's. Also I have over a year to study until I'll be applying to law schools.

Thanks

Does anyone know how to get back into the room? I was having audio issues and after installing Adobe it keeps saying User Limit Exceeded. Anyone know how to contact powerscore asap?

Hey guys, I studied and took LSAT last year when LSAT-Flex was still in effect. I'm retaking it this year and learnt that LSAT now has four sections, three plus an experimental one. I wanna ask whats the best way to simulate this kind of tests when PTing— do u guys do three sections or four sections? Is doing three sections more reflective of your actual score?

Happy Wednesday, everyone! This week, our newsletter goes through what 'sufficient' and 'necessary' actually mean, and how to use that to improve your Lawgic skills. You can take a look here: https://7sage.substack.com/p/understanding-sufficient-and-necessary

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Hello,

I am planning on taking the January LSAT (maybe even the November test) and was hoping to gather some suggestions on how to approach prep testing. I am striving for a 170+ score.

I am finished with the core curriculum and my study schedule is as follows:

Monday-Thursday: At least 3 hours of study time daily (enough time set aside in the mornings to do a prep test)

Friday-Sunday: At least 5 hours of study time daily

Here are some of my thoughts/concerns:

I am looking to get a 170+ on the LSAT so I want to be as rigorous as I can be with my prep; however, I understand the test has gone through some changes over the years and would rather not focus too much of my efforts on material that is unlikely to help with solidifying a top score in the current LSAT era. What resources are out there that help guide current LSAT preppers to material that has been more prevalent on current tests vs material that is antiquated/unrepresentative of the current tests?

On the other hand, I am worried that if I focus too much of my efforts on the newer prep tests I will be eliminating valuable opportunities to take them closer to test day to have a better feel for the current test and a rough idea of where I stand to land score-wise.

I'm also thinking I'd like to add the November test to my plan just so that I have two opportunities to get a top score for this admissions cycle. If I do, I have to sign up by the 29th of this month and would have about 8 weeks to run through prep tests prior to exam day. I realize I will be better prepared come January, but also acknowledge that anything can happen come test day and would rather not have all of my eggs in one basket.

Anyone who has been prepping at or scored an actual 170+ on the LSAT: What prep testing "technique" was successful for you?

Please feel free to elaborate beyond what I have outlined above and to freely riff on anything additional you think might be helpful to others who find this thread.

All the best and good luck!

Brian

My LSAT journey is just about complete. I've been studying for this test since May of 2021 and I'm nearly at the end. Pending a higher score on the September LSAT, I'll be applying this fall with a 168 which I received on the August 2022 LSAT. I could not have gotten this score without 7Sage and I just wanted to take a moment to thank J.Y. and the entire team at 7Sage for putting together an absolutely phenomenal product for the public. I really don't know what I would've done without the hundreds of in-depth question breakdowns by J.Y. (or his sense of humor to keep things light). For those of you still studying, keep pushing forward. Use every wrong answer as a learning opportunity and don't let this test break your spirit. If anyone needs anything or specifics on how I studied, feel free to reach out.

Just finished an LG set and wanted to review, but the explanation videos won't play. The rest of the site seems to be working fine and so does my wifi, so just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. Thanks!

So I haven't seen this question yet on the discussion forum (at least not a recent post) and I think it would be helpful for me and other people. Do people have tips on staying motivated on the LSAT journey?

I know from personal experience that I can get distracted a lot during prep, or just not have the motivation seeing that there is so much riding on this one score that the daunting pressure of it pushes me away from studying. There is also burn out because if I do study I put my all int it, dedicating all my extra time to it, and as a fulltime student (who is also a commuter) with a part-time job that does take its toll. That all being said I do know when to take time out for myself and am constant "treating myself" throughout the process, which I find very helpful for treating burn out.

However, to add on the the main question does anyone have tips for balancing keeping time for yourself, and also being motivated for LSAT studying?

Hi there,

How will the LSAT be administered in 2022/2023? I have finding mixed answers online.

Will it be live proctoring or remote proctoring?

Will the four sections be in a specific order (i.e., LG, RC, AR, LG? or a different order)?

Will it be online? If it is online, is it similar to how the tests are offered on the 7Sage platform or is it totally different? Will we be able to highlight/margin notes/scratch paper?

Thanks, any information would be much appreciated!!

Idk if I'm burning out but I was making big improvements in RC and now I just feel so confused. Any tips appreciated

Hi everyone, Im taking my first LSAT in October and I'm wondering how people have been prepping to take the test with the proctor. I PT pretty high but I'm concerned that the extra stress of navigating a new system is gonna freak me out and kill my score a bit. Any suggestions on where/how to simulate test day conditions?

Also, anyone who has already taking a real LSAT using ProctorU, are there any things/glitches I should look out for or be prepared for? I'm hoping to avoid as many surprises as possible lol

Hi,

I have a really hard time processing information digitally. It's part of my ADHD. When I take a test that is on paper by hand it's much easier and quicker for me to process the information and work with it. When I take the PTs digitally I find myself having to write out the questions by hand in order to solve.

I've been having trouble finding out on LSAC's site if all LSAT test takers truly must adapt to digital or if there is a way to take a hand copy paper test.

Has anyone had experience with taking the test on paper by hand post the transition to digital testing? If so, how did you go about navigating this?

Appreciate any helpful words,

Emily

Hey guys, I'm a little tough on time and I'm trying to make it through the whole syllabus. However, watching all the question example videos take a long time! I understand that they are helpful in grasping the concepts, but should I spend more time doing practice questions or watching JY explain them?

Hello everyone. I was hoping I could get some thoughts on score fluctuations. For context, I usually score in the low 150s (sad, I know), however, my last PT was a 158 (BR: 164). Is there a chance this was an outlier? Under my analytics page, my score has slowly been increasing every PT but for the most part there are fluctuations in the curve on some PTs. Last week, I scored the 158 but exactly one week before that I had scored a mere 149 while scoring a 148 the week before that one. Could this be a sign of improvement? Or a simple outlier? I guess I won't know until I PT again but was hoping I could get some opinions anyway! Thanks.

Hi, I'm a freshman for lsat. Is there anyone who is able to help with my question about whether the drills on 7sage are free or not. Many thanks in advance.

Just want to hop on here and discuss some methods to get me to a 176 PT.

You've got to have a concrete approach to the questions. Here's how I break it down.

LG:

Do all the curriculum, follow all the advice. Here's my supplemental advice.

Must be true questions:

By nature of the question, the stimulus in the question HAS to lead you to a certain conclusion(s). Think about that when you are applying the additional premise to your game board or working off of the game board for those questions that have no additional premises. Look at every rule, and if you see that this specific question could lend itself to two game boards, quickly and carefully draw those out! You might, and likely will find, that X is in spot 4 in both boards, or that R is in group C in both boards, and there's your answer. You have to push through on these questions.

Could be true questions:

These, in my opinion, are harder, because the answers aren't always so easy to spot. Of course plug in any additional premise to your board and solve as normal, but if you're stuck thinking "I can't tell which direction to go", then start plugging in answers and see what will happen. It seems like a lot, but there are only 5 answers, the first one might work, the third one might work, or sometimes it's the last answer, but you've got to be able to decide that you need to shift out of "make your own inferences" mode into Test the answers mode. Knowing when to do this will precious time.

Can't be true/could be true except:

JY discusses this in many of the explanations, but it warrants my repetition. If a particular answer choice contains a game piece placement that seems to interact with many rules, i.e. it triggers a contrapositive and a not both rule, or it makes the game board have limited space for consecutive pieces, try this answer first. Not blindly jumping into answers and trying to sense the "pressure" from certain answers is a needed skill to get these harder questions right and right fast.

LR and RC:

I will be entirely honest, I did not go through the LR or RC curriculum on 7sage. I'm sure it is amazing curriculum; but I myself used a tutor when I was in the low 160s struggling on mostly LR and RC. But here is a drastic clue. You HAVE to have approaches to each question type, unless your last name is Kent and your girlfriend is Lois Lane. Knowing how to approach a flaw or an NA or a PSA is crucial. It creates structure to your test taking experience, and in theory, should result in the correct answer each time. Don't just like generically think "ok something has to be wrong here" when a flaw question is raised. Rather, realize its a flaw question, and proceed down a list of steps. Personally, I have this approach to flaws. I see that it's a flaw, and I know that I can predict the obvious answer, in which case I find the answer that exactly matches my thoughts and move on, or I summate the argument. By summate, I mean, "ok, its saying that because of this and this, this happens". People don't realize the power of what they're reading. The author is saying that because of x y and z premises, the conclusion is supported. But is it really?

All in all, that's just an example of an approach, but you need to have an approach to question types in LR. For RC, I'll say this, if the question references a certain line or idea, refer back to that line, but read the context above it first. Also, don't just stop at the end of the referenced material. If the mentioned idea/topic continues for the next few sentences. Glance back over that. The hard questions have their answers lying in the context of their references. One might then ask, "well aren't I wasting time??". Here's the answer. If you've read carefully before hand, then no. You'll have gone through the other questions easily because you took your time to understand the passage, and making certain that you comprehend the referenced stimulus in a question should not put you at a disadvantage for that passage as a whole.

But the emphasis is on the caveat. "As long as you've read carefully". Take the time, and I mean take the time. After each paragraph, I basically go through each idea I just read in those chunk of lines. Characters, viewpoints, if they disagree with someone or something, if there are any lists (there are three theories about evolution, x, y and z). Sometimes I spend 3.5 minutes reading, if it's a comparative section with two passages, I've spent 5 minutes. But I had time remaining at the end of the RC section overall.