Hi everyone,

I’ve finished the 7Sage curriculum and just read The Loophole. I’m wondering if anyone who has read The Loophole would be interested in working on some questions together. I’d like to practice using the Party Trick and the Powerful/Provable Primers. Let me know!

Just took my first LSAT in November and was very disappointed with my score, feeling like it didn't represent my abilities on this test. My PT average leading up to the test was a 166-167, and I scored a 166 on PT158 (under normal test day conditions) just 2 days prior to taking the LSAT. I ended up scoring a 158 on the real exam.

I will need to be a super splitter candidate to get into the law schools I want to due to a lower (but upward trending) GPA, and need a 170+ score. I'm willing to spend however long it takes to reach that point.

So do you think I should cancel my score as it was a whole 8-9 points under my PT average, or should I keep it?

I would appreciate any feedback!

Can someone please explain when the answer to a LR question would be 'X is considering too small of a sample size'? I feel like these are never the answer yet are valid ways to weaken the argument.

Thanks!

Hey guys, I'm looking for the spiciest LR sections from newer PTs. Any recommendations?

153 on Nov which is just so irritating because my nerves from RC not going well largely influenced my later sections which were real and my timing just sucked. Also had personal matters occur the day before and despite trying to shake it off, I think my mind was elsewhere. Nov score is 3 points lower than Oct (156) which also was a bad test day because I was impacted by hurricane and I took the retest after no studying for 2 weeks bc no power and being stuck. Aug was 155 and I was happy thinking it was a good starting point and was how I had been PTing. Now with a score decrease I am just so angry because I know I can do better and underperforming is just my issue. I have mental blocks when I start to feel stuck and it leads me to rereading and timing just being so bad. I think I need to change my approach but don't know how? I have the loophole book and will probably look over the curriculum for conditional and grammar maybe? I am also just curious if it is truly possible to have a significant change if I am also getting a job since my gap months of studying are now just not proving efficient and I need to occupy my resume for admissions. All this to ask if it is worth retaking if I do not improve that much but I just have a gut feeling to retake since I feel my potential is better than all the scores I have, and it's just mentality on test day causing me issues. I'm also all over the place with PT's being high 150s and then sometimes 160s so also curious if there is a just not a "click" in studying yet (largely depends on LR score and question variety most of the time, RC is pretty consistent). if you read all this, thank u for letting me rant and also would appreciate advice. I just want a 160 at this point.

I just received my November LSAT score and only improved 1 point from my last test in August 2023. I don’t really understand how because I have studied more than ever in my life and was doing over 6 points better on my practice tests. This is now my third time taking it with my scores barely improving. I took it June 2023 and got a 157, August 2023 158 and now November 2024 159. Since I’ve taken it 3 times with little improvement should I cancel my score or leave it? I fear it may look bad on my applications. I truly thought I would improve more if I retook it and now I’m at a loss.

Has anyone used a mobile hotspot on an official exam recently? I used a hotspot when I took the exam in June 2021 and I had no issues. I don't think I let my proctor know that but my phone was in sight of the camera the whole time. I'm retaking the exam this Saturday and I just read over the rules and it says that we can't use a hotspot or VPN...I don't know if this is a new rule but I'm not really sure what to do because my WiFi does not pass the internet speed test but my hotspot does. Anyone have any insight?

Can someone please help me with sufficient assumption questions. I’m really struggling with them.

Someone help me with Most Strongly Supported pleaseee I always get these wrong.

Are MBT common on the exam? I hate them. Cant map them out to save my life.

I know we're supposed to use the negation test to confirm the right answer for a necessary assumption question but....

If we negate trap answers -- aka sufficient assumption answer choices -- doesn't it still pass the test?

Example:

"Because we locked the door, no one can break into our house."

necessary assumption: one cannot break into the house going through the chimney.

sufficient assumption: the door is the only way in and out of the house, and the lock is impenetrable.

negate the necessary: one can break into the house going through the chimney (great, this wrecks the argument and passes the negation test!)

negate the sufficient: the door isn't the only way in and out of the house, and the lock is penetrable (great? this also wrecks the argument and passes the negation test...)

So... how can I reliably use the negation test as a tool for confirming a necessary assumption, and NOT a sufficient one?

I'm curious if anyone has any advice for mid career professionals considering applying to law school.

particularly does anyone have a sense of how admissions offices consider those who haven't been in school for awhile? how they might view work experience compared with past academics?

I'm trying to get an idea how much my mediocre undergrad GPA of 3.0 would be weighed vs my 15 or so years of professional work experience.

any insights are welcome and appreciated

I seem to be repeating the same mistakes over and over. Like when I blind review, I can get what I did wrong and what I should have done etc, but I make the same mistakes over and over. Not sure how I even solve this….Another issue is I’m down to 2 answers and end up picking the wrong one each time… any suggestions on these two specific problems? My biggest weakness is conditional reading which I have been consistently drilling but always get 2 wrong out of 5.

I took the LSAT on November 9th, and literally had a mental breakdown halfway through the RC section. I felt prepared going into the exam, but it was way harder than I thought it would be. Did anyone else have this experience? I'm so scared to get my score back

I've experienced a RC score change from -3/-4 (August and September) to -9/-10 (October and November) in timed sections and PTs. My timing for passages have been off as I'm finding it harder to synthesize the information despite review. On passage that I've retaken from early in my study, I'm doing worse than before and getting more questions wrong. Has anyone else experienced something similar with their scores?

Not much has changed in my study routine. I've studied very consistently since July but have placed less emphasis on RC this past month / month and a half. (On the plus, my LR is getting better.) Regardless, I find it strange that my score has gone this way. Have my RC skills really decreased this significantly? How can I get back to my better score average? Any advice?

Thanks in advance. And happy studying!

Hey everyone,

Selfishly interested in seeing if anyone who scored below the median on their first test has any inspiring stories to share 😅

My October score was 149 — way below what I was hoping for —and feeling especially discouraged since the November LSAT felt equally, if not more, challenging. Taking it again in January.

Anyone else in a similar spot?

Hello,

I get 6-7 questions wrong on each section. In the LR section, it is pretty much one of each type. I know my weakness mostly is the NA questions, but I still get 1-2 of them wrong, how do I get better? I have been consistently drilling but no results.

I am in the process of writing my additional essays beyond my personal statement and could use some other opinions, for example for Wayne State there is an optional essay that can be written and it gives many topics however no information about length or formatting, should I follow the conventions given in their personal statement guidelines? Would it be appropriate to contact the admissions office to ask about this? any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I have been doing drills of 5 questions for each LR question type. And trying to at least get 80% correct on each difficulty level in order to move on to a different question type. But this feels wrong and I am not quite sure how to drill properly. I feel I need to do more questions, but still unsure if it’s best to mix question types or keep it the same. Does anyone have any tips that could help?

I took my diagnostic back in august and got 148. Since then I have been working through the curriculum. I made it through the foundations and first part of logical reasoning with the old version before I realized there was a newer one I should be on. since then I restarted the new version and redid grammar bc I felt I was shaky, I did all of the foundations and 22 percent of the logic part and 66 percent of the rc curriculum. About a month in I took another diagnostic (while at work and being interrupted) and scored a 149. I assumed that because I was at work that contributed to my low score and that it would generally show my improvement since then if I was in a controlled environment. However, after 3 months of studying as much as I could manage with working full time and being in grad school I scored yet again another 149 on the first round and actually blind reviewed the entire test and still only managed a 150. I am at a loss right now and feeling super discouraged. I only have a 3.3 from undergrad so I do need the lsat with my admissions. For reference I want to apply the year and not wait until next year bc I am currently working at a university that has free tuition for employees and a law school. I hate my job but that makes it worth it and everything would be so convent. I just am feeing discouraged right now and at a loss. I know I haven't finished the curriculum, but how is it possible that I am stuck in the same place as when I started. It makes me feel like all of this ha been for nothing.

Is A->B A->C therefore, B some C a valid argument, since A-m-> B and A-m->C therefore B some C is valid.

Hi, I'm scheduled to write the test Friday morning and I'm not sure if I should do it. I did the test last year November and scored in the low 150s and only started preparing for the November 2024 test a couple months ago. Last year I was scoring in the high 150s in my prep tests and I think it was because logic games were included. I've only done one complete prep test in the last few months and scored a 153. I feel that the past week of studying combined with application submissions has completely drained me and I'm feeling really anxious. I know schools say they'll accept Jan 2025 marks but does anyone know if that reduces your chances of getting into Ontario law schools? I really need advice on whether I should just complete the test this Friday and cancel my mark if I don't like it or just wait until January. Btw I'm doing fairly well when I do drills but something happens to me when I try to do full tests. I'm really stuck on what to do. Another side note, this would be my third attempt on Friday. Any advice would be appreciated.

Another question; If I do the November test and cancel my mark, are schools able to see I tried a third time and cancelled?

Thank you!!

I began studying for the LSAT in January of this year and bought my 7sage subscription in February. I began studying off and on (life happens) until August. Once August rolled around, I took off from my job to study really hard for a month before the October LSAT. I spent hours a day studying and would take one practice test a week for a month. For reference, my diagnostic score was a 156, and I had taken 2 PT in June with a score of 156 and 154 respectively. AS I began to study and take my weekly PT in the month leading up to the October test. I had the following 3 scores in order: 154, 152, 157 (BR: 156, 158, 157).

I just got my October score back today an I scored a 162, which is the highest score I've ever received (I've never gotten a BR score that high) That puts me at the 81st percentile and I am super happy with my score. The law school I want to attend (though please understand I'll be applying to more than just this school) has a 50th percentile of 156 and a 25th percentile of a 159. I'll have a 3.99 GPA by the time I graduate so I have no worries there.

While I haven't continued such a strenuous study regime. I do practice problems once a week as the head of the Pre-Law LSAT study group on my college campus. So I could quickly pick back up studying to improve if needed.

Given all that information, should I go back in and try to take the exam again for an even higher score, or should I take my score I have with my super high GPA, along with a really good personal statement and try to get into school with what I have?

All of your responses are greatly appreciated and I wish you all the best of luck on your own LSAT journeys! You can do it!

Wishing everyone well!

I am scoring in the 165-167 range on my PTs and want to be hitting about 171 for the November LSAT. I am consistently missing only two questions on RC and getting them all right in blind review. On my last PT, the only reason I didn't get just one wrong on RC is because my time ran out and I couldn't answer it. My LR is obviously less consistent, (-3 and -8 on my last PT, 165). My question is whether I should focus all of my attention on LR in the next few weeks or try to get those easier-to-reach extra two points on RC first. Might be a dumb question just due to nerves kicking in, but curious what the best way to organize my study would be.