How do you do your low resolution summaries on the digital tests? Do you just make note of them on a scrap piece of paper?

Hello all, I will be taking the October LSAT and would like to take and BR at least 20 PT's between now and then. I have a schedule laid out that I will follow, and if I fall a bit under 20 I'm OK with that. My question is this, which tests should I start with in order to build momentum? Would it make sense to start at PT 60 and work my way up? Are the most recent tests the best place to end before the test? Thanks for your help!!!

Hi. I got my July LSAT score back yesterday and I’m shocked by how low it is (149). I’ve been studying 15-20 hrs weekly since May and all the PT’s I took leading up to test day have been in the 158-164 range. I scored a 149 on a PT back in May and I distinctly remember that I was extremely distracted at the time. Does anyone have any advice??? I can’t believe my score is this low! I feel like I have a good grip on the material and the basics, so I’m wondering if something went wrong on test day (test anxiety or maybe filling in the scantron wrong). Please help me out!!

The main issue that I can't resolve right now is if I should take the September LSAT, and if it would even matter. It'll be my fourth one, my priors score are: 153/160/161, but these scores are from 2 years ago. Back then, I was studying for the LSAT about 5 hours/week for a few months (don't remember exactly), and I took around 15 PTs (25 if you count retakes). I was also using the LSAT trainer, and Blueprint.

After taking some time to work full time and advance my career, I decided to take the LSAT again, and started studying in early May of this year. I quit my job, and studied full time for the LSAT with 7sage. So far I've completed every single lesson, and a large portion of the drills, as well as taken 8 practice tests in the last month/month and a half. And so far, my score hasn't increased at all. For whatever reason (not blaming 7sage at all, their lessons have been great and easy to understand) my score hasn't gotten past the 158-162 range. This is with blind review and every other suggestion I've come across thus far (I've also taken some of Sami's tutoring lessons). Unfortunately, taking a different or later LSAT isn't really an option, I need my score before October for law school purposes.

So this makes me arrive at my final question, especially considering that the LSAT refund deadline is tomorrow - should I not take the September LSAT, and instead just use my score from two years ago?

I have been trying to sign up for the October LSAT since yesterday, but it's showing that no centers are available and I don't see an option to join the waitlist. Any thoughts?

I still don't understand why A is right and C is wrong. The conclusion reads, "it's obvious that the public headed the campaign", meaning they followed the campaign's advice and washed their hands more frequently or stopped going to public places, all because the rate of influenza went down at the time of the campaign. That's the conclusion and its support. Since this is a cause-effect relationship, I assumed that a correct strengthener would reaffirm that hand-washing or avoiding public spaces did indeed go up.

I got rid of everything except for A and C. I wasn't sure about A, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what's wrong with C. JY says in his explanation that, if anything, it weakens the argument by 'presenting an alternate cause', but I disagree with this. One aspect of the campaign was to reduce people's attendance in public places if they had the flu. If fewer gatherings occur during the 6 month period, that's clear evidence that people went out a bit less than they did before the campaign. Thus, it's likelier that they heeded the campaign (yea we can argue if that was really b/c of the campaign or whatever, but the point of a strengthen/weaken answer choice is have some kind of impact on the support/conclusion relationship, no matter how big or small). I feel the same way about A in that it shows people might have washed their hands more during the campaign. Nevertheless, I think both answers can plausibly strengthen the argument. Where have I gone wrong?

Thank you!!!!

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I'm currently stuck at a 150. LR/ RC being my biggest issues. I'm taking the september exam and starting to get worried. My goal is a 155-157. Any Advice?

Hello all,

I've been using 7Sage since February of this year. My goal is to get a 160. I took the November '18 LSAT after having studied with a Kaplan book for 6 weeks and got a 144. Knowing how much work needed to be done, I registered for 7Sage Ultimate+ this year and really took my time with the CC, attempted to really become fluent in logic, did all the practice sets, foolproofed LG, etc. After finishing the CC and doing PT's since June, I managed to raise my average score to around a 155-159. I initially only planned to take the Sept '19 LSAT but decided to take July as well knowing that I could cancel if I didn't like the score. Well I got my score back yesterday and got a 143. Yes, one point LOWER than my November LSAT. I have no clue what happened.

The test-taking conditions were really bad. There were no left-handed desks and the desks were extremely small, which meant the tablet took up over half the desk space and made it very challenging to do logic games. I also spent a lot of time trying to make sure the tablet wouldn't fall off the desk because it was so small. Combined with test-taking anxiety, I knew that likely I would score lower than my average on PT's but I did not know it was still in my ability to score THAT low. Naturally I'm extremely discouraged, but I'm forcing myself to move forward and keep studying. I'm hoping doing a few PT's this week will restore some of my confidence back.

I'm just wondering if there is still hope to get a decent score for the September test. My last PT from a few days ago was 157. I was hoping to get a 160 for September, but at this point I would be happy getting anything between a 155-160. I'm planning to take 2-3 PT a week, with blind review and foolproofing in between test days. Any advice and/or encouraging words would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much!!

Hi All,

I completed the LSAT in July and scored 163. I was scoring 169 on my PT's but dont want to go through more LSAT study. I am an older applicant planning on applying and hoping for scholarships. My understanding is that my score is good for 5 years. I want to start school in 2022, and am thinking I should apply not this cycle, but next. Would there be any reason to apply this cycle and defer? I feel like it shouldnt be counted against me if my LSAT score is a year old. Im also hoping some more online schools start up. I just saw that UNH with IP started up this year whcih is exciting. Online will be my best option and that limits me currently to syracuse and UNH. There is also SMU which is in town, but would be full time and I would have to figure out a work schedule around it.

Any advice, thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated.

I am pretty devastated by my LSAT score. Was consistently scoring 157-161 on my PT leading up to test day and I got a 153 on this one. That was lower than my diagnostic of 155....I know that the LSAT is just the beginning of a hard journey to become a lawyer, but I don't know where to go from here. I am signed up to take the September and October test,\ and just need some advice on how to get back to studying.

Hi everyone. I took the July LSAT for fun just because it doesn't matter. I did around how I was doing on practice tests in the time (165-167) and got a 166. I was not fully prepared and I am doing much better on practice tests now (consistently over 170). My question is, should I cancel this score? It is by no means a bad score and may allow me to get into some lower t14s I suppose, but it would not allow me to get any money (I have a good gpa from a top 5 undergrad and excellent internships). I really would love to get the process over with this fall as I am a rising senior in college. The reason I would want to keep it is because it's not an awful score and what if something goes terribly wrong during the September LSAT, which I am signed up for. On the other hand, I do get a free retake if I cancel it. Please provide me your input! My goal would be to go to a school in the lower t14 with money and I am signed up for September and will hopefully do well above that score.

Got a 169 on July. Debating whether to cancel. Have a GPA in the mid 3.7s and am really hoping to get into a T6, which I don't see possible with a 169. I was hoping for 173+.

However, the 169 is something I can apply with, god forbid September doesn't work out. If I score 173+ in September would schools look down on the 169, or is it high enough that it wouldn't hurt me?

Hi all. Similar to many July test takers, I am debating whether or not to cancel. I scored a 163 and am pretty disappointed.

This was below my PT range leading up to the test, which was roughly 166-169. I have not scored that low since early on in my PT phase and I am confident if I took it again I would not score below 163. Furthermore, this score would put me out of contention for some schools I am really interested in. This is leaning me towards canceling.

I should also say I am signed up for the September LSAT and as of late I have had a bit of a breakthrough. On 4 PTs I took after the July test, I've scored a 169, two 171's, and a 170 - the first time I've ever scored into the 170's. Any thoughts would be much appreciated -- thanks as always 7sagers.

Keep your head up if you didn't get the score you were hoping for and use it as motivation for the next time around :)

So I have been reading all the discussion posts on the July LSAT score release but decided to post one of my own. In short, my score was 150. I know I can do much better considering the fact that I had barely studied prior to taking the test and had not done a single prep test other than the diagnostic. That said, I am located in Canada and the deadline to apply to most law schools is November 1. I definitely plan on retaking the LSAT in November with more studying this time. However, my concern is the following: should I just keep the score and retake and then apply with the higher score? Or should I cancel and apply but with a pending LSAT score that will be released after I take it in November? Also, the law school in my city and which I plan on applying to in October typically accepts applicants with an LSAT average of 155 so I am not sure if my score will be of any help if I keep it. Your advice is really appreciated. Thank you :)

As the title says, I studied and took the LSAT 2 years ago or so, and got a 160/161 on my second and third LSATs, respectively. These were consecutive tests. I decided to continue working full time and take the LSAT at a later date, and since I wasn't in a rush, to try again for the law schools I wanted (close to T14). Well, come 2 years later, and my score on all of my practice tests with 7sage are all in the 160 range. 7sage is the third or fourth study material that I've used over the past couple years (LSAT trainer and some other stuff).

Is it worth it to take the September LSAT? Taking another LSAT at a different time isn't really an option, unfortunately :(

Please tell me what you think! I have plenty of other options for law school, so I still plan on applying no matter what.

Thanks!

Question: in the sentence, "If you’re not greedy, you’re not a business school student" the two different conditional indicators confuse me: if I use "If" then I get /G-->/BS (Or BS-->G); however, if I use "not," then I can come out G-->BS (I negate the BS and make it the NC, and then I'm left with the G which become the SC and also has the SC indicator "If"). So, which one do I choose? I know the first way is correct, but I'm not sure why.

Is it the case that "If" overpowers "not", and "not" is merely a negation and not a logical indicator?

just wondering if for the digital exams we'll be allowed scratch paper/ anything to write on/with? i can't imagine going through logic games and not being able to write/draw out the solutions. someone please tell me this will be afforded to us lol

Hi, I wanted to get some advice from people with a bit more experience in LG on how to balance speed and accuracy on the actual test. I have been foolproofing the games from PTs1-35, and my confidence and speed have increased. However, I also feel the need to go at a rapid pace through each game in order to meet the target time were a very difficult game to arise.

In practice, this is what messes me up the most. I fly through the rules and "passage" and often find myself either misreading questions or missing them entirely. I tend to do this both on PTs and, to a lesser extent, on games that I foolproof. If I do not misread rules, I am confident that I can do well on almost any game. I think nerves also play into my inclination to go at warp speed. Does anyone have any advice for methods I can practice to bring a more balanced approach to my LG sections?

Working a LG in the LSAT trainer (p.210), and I need further explanation on why this is the correct answer choice. Specifically Q2. I am including Q1 for context.

Seven coffees - F, G, and H from Brazil, and L, M, N, and O from Colombia - will be showcased on three different displays. One coffee will be displayed by itself on stand 1, and the other six coffees will be evenly split between stands 2 and 3. The following conditions apply:

F is displayed on stand 2

One of the displays will have exactly two Brazilian coffees

L and M must be displayed together

F and H cannot be displayed together

Q1) If O is displayed on stand 2, which of the following must be true?

(A) H goes on stand 1

(B) H goes on stand 3

(C) G goes on stand 2

(D) N goes on stand 1

(E) N goes on stand 2

ANSWER: (C) G goes on stand 2

If Oc is on stand 2, the only place Lc/Mc can go is stand 3. This forces Gb on stand 2, since there needs to be a bb combo, and Hb can't go with Fb.

1: Hb or Nc

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Hb or Nc

Q2) Which of the following must be false?

(A) A Brazilian coffee is displayed by itself

(B) A Colombian coffee is displayed by itself

(C) One stand displays only Colombian coffees

(D) Two stands each display both Brazilian and Colombian coffees

(E) No stands displays only Colombian coffees

ANSWER: (E) No stands displays only Colombian coffees

For (E) to be true, each stand must have at least one Brazilian coffee. However, this cannot be true. Therefore, (E) must be false.

My thinking... If I take the diagram I used to answer Q1, which is

1: Hb or Nc

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Hb or Nc

and I assume Hb is on stand 1 and Nc is on stand 3, I get

1: Hb

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Nc

which follows all the rules, and has a stand that displays only Colombian coffees. So how is the answer choice, "No stands displays only Colombian coffees" - MUST BE FALSE?

I appreciate the help. I promise I am joining 7Sage after I finish the LSAT trainer. Thank you!!

How to go about drilling LGs after having foolproofed Pt 1-35?

Hi All-- I was wondering if November was too late to apply? I already took the LSAT once before, I sprained my ankle in the prep center but still took the test so I did terribly. Would November (which means scores/application in December) mean I'm getting into more competitive territory application wise? I've heard the later you apply the tougher your chances are. I've been out of undergrad/grad school for 5 years now and don't want to put law school off any longer so will be applying this year and just want to know if my chances would be slightly lower if I applied with November scores.

Thanks!

For anyone else who needs to see this...

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/3598/burnout-and-you

Hi,

I am enjoying learning lsat through LSAT Trainer. I was not sure if I can post a question regarding the contents in that book. But I was too confused, so I came here for a help.

I am confused because I do not see the difference btw the two statements.

1.Mistakes necessary characteristics for sufficient ones, and falls to consider other factors necessary or potentially important to the conclusion.

2. Takes for granted that having characteristics important for an outcome is enough to reasonably expect that outcome.

Can I just all say that it confuses a necessary condition for a sufficient one? Its hard for me to see the subtle differences that the author made.

I am confused why B is not right? I was focus on the words "Tanner was more persuasive"

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Hi! I took the June 5th test and got a 159, I was averaging around a 163 before the test.

I signed up for the July 15th test but I took a 3 week break and then couldnt get back up to my regular above 160 scores. So I withdrew and didnt take the test. The fact that I couldnt bring my score back up made me think that I have to review foundational information.

I want to take the test again, and would start studying around September 1st. I'll be working part time around 15 hrs a week and would like to get a165 or above if I retake. I think i have an OK foundational knowledge but would want to revisit material.

How do I know which test to aim for and which 7sage package to use? Should I combine this with any of the Power Score bibles?

How long does it take to get through 7sage’s lessons/course material?

Thank you!