I'm taking the November 17th LSAT and took my second to last PT yesterday (PT 84). I felt incredibly discouraged after I saw my score of 162. I've been averaging 165-166 and haven't scored this badly in months (even scored a low 170's last week). While RC and LG are typically my weaker sections, I was surprised to find that I didn't do too hot on LR on this exam, and noticed that the LR seemed much more difficult and vague.

I watched PowerScore's prediction video about this upcoming test and they said that LR stimuli and question stems have been deviating from set formulas in recent years. However, I took PT83 last week and got a 166, so maybe I just had an off day last night? Has anyone taken PT84 and had a similar experience (LR seemed more difficult, esp. in comparison to other recent exams), or is it more likely I just had an off day?

If it comes down to it, I can take January's exam as well if I need to, but I'd also like to apply as early as possible. I'm taking PT82 tomorrow so I'll see how that goes. Best of luck to anyone else taking the test on Saturday!

Hi Hello,

Can someone explain this question? As in, the correct ans. choice. I'm having a realllly hard time convincing myself that it's "necessary". #help

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How do you spend those last 7 days?

I understand why (A) is correct, as well as why the wrong answers are incorrect. That being said, I'm having trouble identifying the type of flaw/assumption that this argument is making.

Is this a study flaw? Is the author assuming that the data from this study is solid enough to prove that there's no causal link between tv advertising and cereal preferences?

Usually, when I attempt weaken questions, I try and identify the type of flaw/assumption that the argument is making. Here, I couldn't do so, and just had to get to the right answer through process of elimination. When I inserted answer choice (A) into the premises, I saw how it weakened the conclusion, but I still don't know which type of flaw this question falls into.

Hey everybody, I'm trying to decide on what I should do in regards to the next LSAT:

I'm registered to take the November 17th test, but as of right now, I'm not happy with where I am scoring. I've gotten better at LR, but worse at RC at least on my practice exam that I took today.

The 7sage program is helping a lot, but I'm nervous I'm not going to do as well as I want on this upcoming exam. I have already taken it once and was unhappy with my score, so I obviously have to improve. I am debating whether I should wait and take the January 26th test, but I'm worried that it may be cutting it a bit close to application deadlines (most schools I am looking to apply to have a March 15th application deadline.)

If anyone has any advice as to what I should do, that would be great!

Thank you

can you please put up a list of circular games, i know there are not many, but trying to avoid another February shocker!

Practice Test 42, Question 19 doesn't seem to offer any correct answer choice. (Please someone correct me.) The correct answer is supposed to be A.

I'm currently stressing out considering I completed the base 7sage course and have seen great increases in my scores (155 on diagnostic, 163 average, 167 max) throughout PT 30's-40's. My all time highest was just last week on PT 44 when I got a 167, so riding that high I took PT 85 this morning and got a 158. I haven't scored so low since July, and while I know it there is a degree of variety, a drop of 9 points within a week is very concerning. I have heard that recent PT's are slightly different, could this have contributed to it? I usually average about -4.4 on LR, -6.1 on LG, and -6.6 on RC. On 85 I got -7 on each LR, -6 on LG, and -9 on RC.

I'm trying not to let this get to my head, but November is my last chance to take the test (3rd try within a year). I could definitely use some advice on how to spend this final week. Should I go back to the basic lessons, keep drilling, or take another recent PT to hopefully do better and get the bad taste out of my mouth going into test day? As of now I am leaning towards taking another PT tomorrow for reassurance but I also don't want to burn myself out. No matter what I am taking Thursday and Friday completely off from studying for peace of mind.

Hey guys,

I've been having a lot of trouble understanding the explanation behind this game, which is also explained in the curriculum under sequencing games with a twist as the third example.

There can only be one repeating product on the board. For the rule "G is not advertised during a given week unless either J or else O is also advertised that week", JY says that we know that G cannot repeat b/c it'd carry another component with it. However, I don't understand why this is necessarily known, when G could repeat and bring J one time and bring O the second time. Am I missing something?

Thanks y'all!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-21-section-1-game-4/

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/sequencing-game-wa-twist-3-game-board-setup/

Hey folks. I've been thinking about the above phrase and have noticed that it's more ambiguous than I thought.

If I said I had as many apples as Sally, does that mean I have the same amount of apples as Sally, or is my having more than her consistent with the phrase, "as many as", as well?

Hi Everyone!

First post here. So I'm trying to find Flaw questions where the five answers are of the following type:

I noticed that for the Flaw questions that specifically list out flaws in plain-text, it's much easier for me to identify. Conversely, when the flaws aren't listed out specifically and are rather categorized to the common flaw types we see, I tend to miss a lot. Can anyone help guide me on how to find more of those flaw types? I'm Ultimate + so I have access to all the question types.

PT 54 (June 2008), LR1 Q9. This is a Necessary Assumption question I got wrong initially but got correct on the blind review after grudgingly going with (A).

Here's the argument as I see it: the new minimum wage increase means that the museum's expenses exceed its revenue, so now it has to make adjustments that will impact museum-goers.

The correct answer is (A): Some of the museum's employee's are not paid significantly more than the minimum wage.

I skipped over (A) initially because it sounded so weak the way it's phrased with the word 'significantly.' I now get the basic idea, and I get that all the other answer choices are just plain wrong, but STILL. Anyone care to chime in and perhaps share how they navigate around a word like this? I don't recall seeing it in the CC.

Can someone please critique my understanding of the distinction between Strengthen and SA questions?

I think it something like this: strengthen questions merely require introducing a supporting premise or negating a potential weakness. SA/PSA are more specific in that they don't want any random supporting premise but one that links the premises with the conclusion. Essentially, an assumption that from it is sufficient to know the conclusion.

Also, I don't fully get the the difference between SA and PSA questions, and is it really important to know? Examples would be appreciated.

Hey guys on the logical reasoning newer sections, the amount wrong i'm getting in the Logical Reasoning has gone up. I would usually average 2-4 wrong a section in the older PTs but now I am consistently getting -6 wrong per section. I read this is normal, but usually at least 2-3 of the questions i'm getting wrong every time are the long harder necessary assumption questions. The easy ones I always get right. Any advice to improve accuracy in these?

I've been studying since September for the November test and I've brought myself up to the upper 160s (168 average from 157). I want a 170+ on the actual exam. Should I keep drilling on my weak points and take next week's test or should I postpone til January? I really wanted to apply this cycle, and I'm not that far off from my goal, so I'm leaning towards taking this upcoming test and retaking in January/postponing applications if I don't meet my goal. Any thoughts?

Hi!

I've spent about 30 minutes trying to figure out this question but it seems I've hit a wall. I was able to eliminate (A) and (D) quickly but had a hard time understanding what the "youngest" "oldest" phrases were referring to. I ultimately went with (C), considering that there is a majority of S that is older than D (which, I thought, leaves some of S that is not older and/or is the same age as D). But I was taken back to find out the answer if (E). I tried to wrap my head around why (C) or (B) is wrong and why (E) is right but I wasn't able to get far.

It would be really helpful if someone could help me with this question.

Thank you so much in advance! :)

Hi 7Sagers,

The questions that eat up much of my time (and eventually I choose an incorrect answer) are those that have answer choices not mentioned in the passage. This happens a lot especially in "author would be most likely to agree" questions.

After reading the passage (~3.5 min), I really don't remember those details. But at the same time those not mentioned answer choices have some mentioned words and it takes so long to check them in the passage (and finally i usually pick a wrong one after spending 3 min on that question).

For those who had this problem but already solved it, what's your secret?

Thanks in advance!

On my most recent, and best pt, i did -5 both LRs, -5 RC and -10 LG. Second time getting that 161 3rd in the low 160, average is 157. I am aiming for 165 or bust and feel im super close. Thinkin trying to get that LG to -5 would be the best way to focus next two weeks? Drill the weakest LR categories and same for LG? Thoughts? Any encouragement?

I'm almost done with the LG section in the CC and I've been full-proofing as I go. I am definitely getting better and I'm very excited about that.

However, I just came across the snake/lizard game and literally stopped doing LG after a 4 hour day of LG. It was so demoralizing.

How often do we see games this difficult? And please spare me embarrassment if this game is actually an easy game :)

I'm looking for an easy fix for a problem I've encountered numerous times. While I'm sketching and contemplating possibilities to a specific question in a logic game and then look back to compare answer choices, I later realize that I'm referring to the wrong-number question. The answer choices often look so similar from one question to the next that it can take a while to realize I've made this mistake. Has anyone else encountered this dilemma, and how did you deal with it?

HELP I AM SO BAD AT THESE WHAT DO I DO

Hey all

So I've noticed that for many "This passage most strongly suggests XYZ..."

there often right AC's that are only subtly supported by 1 minor line reference. Sometimes it's just one WORD/ADJECTIVE that provides the support for the right AC. Often, these are minor details that I just forget too.

And if you miss that 1 minor line reference/word, you get it wrong.

And there are also like 4 really attractive answer choices.

Any advice on how to get these questions right? I find myself missing them very often.

It's also really tough to do these questions under timed conditions because you're like trying to scan/read the entire passage all over again as you dive into the AC's, trying to find that ONE word/line reference to support your right AC, as well as trying to find reasons to eliminate wrong AC's.

Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated. Thank you !

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-77-section-3-game-4/

In this game, I struggled so hard during time because I didn't know if the volunteers could show up twice in one group. For instance, on my timed go, one of my boards had H(S/T), N (L), H(T/S) in group Z.

My question is where was the rule stated that they can't show up twice in a single group? I never assume this is the case unless told otherwise. So maybe I am missing something?

In blind review, I just went with the assumption that they could not stack and it was incredibly easy. I don't ever want to run into this problem again in the future. Any thoughts?

EDIT: The only line I can see here where that might explain it is with the statement, "each committee will have three volunteers assigned to it."

But wouldn't 3 Haddad's mean there are 3 volunteers. Maybe I am taking too much of a "game piece" approach. Where in my mind they are saying three game pieces are being assigned to each.

hey all,

i know for LR, the usual benchmark is spend 1 minute per question (for 15 in 15, 25 in 25). And If you're at 1 minute and still can't get it, just skip it.

for RC, what's the benchmark in terms of how much time to spend on a question?

For RC, I've heard of ppl view this by thinking of "processes" (read all AC, reread question stem, go back to passage, and if still can't get it, then skip). They focus on "processes" instead of time.

The challenge, though, is there are some RC questions (like the REALLY LONG analogy questions that take up half a page where the question stem is a a paragraph long and each answer choice is a paragraph long), where just reading the question stem and all the AC's takes like 3 minutes.

Should I just skip these REALLY long RC questions, or just dive in them and spend 3 minutes on them?

Any advice or suggestions appreciated. Thank you!

So I have done just a few PT's now and I keep getting 145s. I miss early questions in LR that I am trying to fine tune and I miss about 8 to 10 questions in LG and I am missing about 16 in RC. Currently I am working on improving RC and making sure I can get a couple more questions on LR since I think that is easier for me to improve on than some of the other sections. Does anyone think that this could be possible? I have been working really hard and I keep getting stuck at this score, I just need a 150 to get automatic admission in my 3+3 program.