So i have a superficial understanding of this methodology, but i just cant wrap my head completely around whats happening, can i get someones take?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-69-section-4-question-14/

I took the September LSAT and did not reach my target score. It was my first test, nerves kicked in, and I only studied for about 3 months while working full-time. I am not able to study full time and quit my job, but my boss allowed me to have a 4 days/week schedule (Tues-Fri) to allot time for studying. I signed up for the December LSAT, but I do feel that I haven't had much time to study after September. However, the partial refund deadline was yesterday, and if I do decide to withdraw, $180 down the drain.

I plan to turn in my applications early (by next week), and I'm wondering if I don't do so well again, and decide to take the February LSAT, would hurt my chances taking it three times and later into the cycle? I will write an addendum.

To add context: My GPA is not high (double-majored, 3.4). I prefer not to wait another year for the next round of applications since I stalled one year already. I am sort of non-traditional, 3 years out of school.

I appreciate any insight and advice, thanks!

Yesterday I had the privilege of working through a problem with J.Y. It’s in here if you are curious;

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/13637/pt-82-br-sessions-with-j-y-spoiler-warning

The question was PT82.S4.Q14 a weakening question.

After working through it I can see where I was confused. I see how the two answer choices that stumped me are different.

My question is, that on some questions, I find myself really struggling to see how they work. This is ESPECIALLY true for weakening questions. On some of these questions I have a really hard time seeing how any AC does something to the argument or, more succinctly, the conclusion. Only through really intense scrutiny of these kinds of problems am I able to get to the answer. Obviously I do not have the time to do this kind of in-depth analysis during a test.

For example on the question J.Y. Helped me with I was able to eliminate 3 answer choices fairly easily. I was then stuck between two. No matter how much I read them, I thought they said the same thing. It took really comparing them to understand that one of the AC did something the other didn’t. Only after I saw how they were different, was I able to see how the right answer weakened the argument. I should have been able to spot this right away.

I don’t like feeling “on my heels” like that during a test. I like to have a semi clear idea of what to look for or, at the very least, when I read the right answer knowing right away that I've found the right one.

Another example was PT35.S4.Q20

I had no clue how the AC worked until I had a chance to really dig deep into it. By then I've wasted far too much time and screw myself for the rest of the section. It's one of the many issues I am still trying to address before my next test.

Any suggestions on how to approach questions like this in a better way? I know what I'm asking is really abstract, but I hope I make sense.

What do you guys eat the night before, eat for breakfast and snack on, for stamina? Trying to get a rhythm going in preperation for December

So with the December test coming up, I am freaking out a little bit now.

I have been scoring -13/-10 on timed LR sections. I need to get to at least -8 or -7 since I am now realistically aiming between 160-165 for the upcoming test date.

I feel like this strongly has to do with flaw and necessary assumption questions. I struggle with these a lot.

I have already went back to the CC and reviewed the relevant sections.. but I still don't seem to improve. I have even drilled them down to bits but no improvement.

Overall, I often have trouble predicting or paraphrasing answers. I'm guessing this is probably why I score so low on LR.

How can I improve on this?

I currrently average -7.4 over 5 pts in logic games, my best was -4 and my worst was in my september lsat (lol). Anyway, im looking to compensate and better this section and ordered the logic games powerbible to supplement the core curriculum. What kind of improvement is realistic from here till december lsat?

Hi, I'm currently studying for the December LSAT (20-25 hours a week + a full course load + clubs and a sport). I've changed my studying habits from the first time around I was studying. I began in early May with the expectations of taking the September test. I only depended on the PowerScore Bibles (all 3) and I purchased two PrepTest books. I honestly didn't utilize the best techniques at first and in a strange way, luck was on my side. I got stuck in Irma back home and LSAC moved my test for free to any date. I wanted to take it in December because I wanted to get it over with and I didn't want to keep prolonging it. Anyways, with the whole stress of balancing everything and keeping up with assignments, exams, and papers. Sometimes I'm overwhelmed especially at this point towards the end of the term. I've changed my studying to taking 1-2 PrepTests a week under timed conditions at the library on the silent floor. I'm seeing gradual improvements with fluctuations. I always return to the questions I got wrong and the ones I got correct. For the ones I get wrong, I identify the type of question and I also make note of questions that I narrow the two possible answers and answers that I second guess and either select the wrong answer or I just change the answer completely.

I'm noticing this is my main problem. If I didn't second guess myself, I would score 165+. I'd just like to know if anyone else encounters this and what is the best way to overcome this? I also had this same issue with the SAT but that was so long ago I honestly forgot what it felt like. Timing is really not my problem at this point, it's more an issue of accuracy and self-trust. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Over my last couple of ptests I have scored in my goal range for one (ex -4) and then like 5 below that (-10). It's really hurting my score. I was wondering if anyone has had experience with this problem and if there was a solution for it. It's frustrating because I know what my potential is and I am not even close on one LR section to it.

I signed up for the premium course in able to get more out of the lessons, but with the December LSAT being less than a month away, I am finding myself overwhelmed with all of the lessons. Is there anyway to cut down the number of lessons and only flush out what is necessary?

I know they all are necessary, but again, just trying to get as much in before the December exam.

The RC section was my best section, but that has dramatically changed. I want to improve by 5 points on the RC section before December 2nd. I'm at -9 right now on average. Probably not possible I understand, but a I gotta try. My problem is not timing at all. It's the questions. My top three missed are infer authors perspective, recognition, and application analogy. Any tips or strategies at all would be very helpful! Thanks!

How did y'all get better with timing with LG? I usually get a perfect score when I do games untimed, but I crack under pressure and miss a few just because I don't have enough time to get to them.

I am currently fullproofing games to help with this, but I was wondering if any of you had any strategies or tips to get better at timing.

I am taking the December test.

I am consistently getting all #% LR q wrong. Doe anyone have any tips on how to approach these questions? How to improve? What I should be looking for?

Thanks!!

I'm even considering looking at percentage tutorials on khanacademy lol

Hey guys,

I have been prepping on and off for almost 6 months now with hard prep since past three months. I now score around 165+ on diagnostics. Should I take LSAT in Dec with that kind of practice marks or should I wait to improve?

I took the September LSAT and was not satisfied with my score of 152 (PTing at 160-165). Ideally, I would prefer not to take a gap year, but I want to be competitive for a top 25 law school in the least. An additional detail is that I am a student with disabilities and did not request accommodations for either September or December, but will for February. I have not had much time to prep for the December exam but plan to take several practice exams and foolproof the LG section. My main worry is not performing well on December and being too late in February to be considered for better universities. I believe I am capable of a 168-171 if I really drive myself into it.

I attached a poll, but I would like further input if you have the time.

Hello!

Im having trouble with logical opposites.

Is "not all= some are not"

Is the logical opposite of

"some are not= all"

Thank u so much! :)

Since the September LSAT I have scaled WAY back on studying for the test. I have gone from doing multiple sections a day, 5 days a week, with a five section PT on day 6., To doing only three or four sections a week with a PT every 2 weeks. Since I've scaled back my studying, I have yet to score below a 170 on a PT. While this is amazing for me, and I've noticed a ton of improvement because of skipping strategies and a new outlook on RC, I am still really worried that it will not translate to reality on Dec 2.

What can I do to ensure that I preform to the best of my capabilities on test day?

What I've already done:

I have started running again.

I have cut a substantial amount of sugar from my diet (no more soda).

I make time for myself to relax (beat Mario Odyssey and watched Stranger Things).

Worked close with 7Sagers to help vent about the test, continued meetings with an awesome Sager every week!

Feel calmer during tests and implemented a new skipping strategy based on advice from @"Cant Get Right"

Communicated directly with the only law school I now want to attend and have begun working on apps.

I still have this fear in the back of my mind that something will go awry come December and that I'll panic during the test and under preform again. Does anyone have other suggestions on what I can do to prevent catastrophic failure come test day?

Yesterday I finally finished the curriculum part of the course and decided to take my first PTA to see how much I've learned. To be frank, the whole experience was a disaster. I ran out of time on 3 out of 4 sections, on LG I didn't have enough time to do one of the games at all. While doing LR my mind would not function by the newely learned rules of finding premises and conclusions, and basically the whole test felt like brute force all the way through.

Obviously, I didn't do great, but what defeated me completely was the fact that I scored even lower on this PTA than on my very first dry run LSAT test that I took back in September prior to taking this course. Just the thought of this paralyzed me.

Now with under 4 weeks left before the December exam (that I must take because I already applied and paid money to get into the univesity of my choice), I think I really need some advice or guidence. I am not going to give up and now I think maybe I shouldn't have jumped into full PTA right away. Would you recommend doing timed sections or maybe a certain amount of questions first? I feel like I'm missing something, and any advice will be appreciated!

Thank you all for reading through.

Hello all!

I have a couple of questions. Right now I am getting a lot of LR questions wrong. My average LR right now is -8. I am taking the December LSAT. My first question is that is possible to improve to -2 per section with the time left? I have going over the question types I have seriously been missing on with the LR 1-20 book. How I've been using this book is doing full sections of one type of question, scoring it and going over them. Are there other strategies that you all would recommend? My top 3 missed are NA, PSA, and Flaw. I really hope I can make this happen before December second!

Hey, guys! LG is my best section but I rely a lot on brute force. Do you guys think it's more beneficial to time myself doing an entire LG section, or doing one game at a time? I think doing one game at a time encourages brute forcing for me because I know I have 8 mins for each game. Each game doesn't necessarily take 8 mins and some may take 11 mins. I always try to split boards and make inferences during BR but I panic and move on after my initial board when doing a PT and end up drawing many boards along the way and brute forcing. What do you guys think? I normally finish with ~ 1 min left but I'm still not - 0.

It has been a while since I posted last time. I'm preparing for December LSAT. School work takes me lots of time.I'm currently taking Master of Jurisprudence at UW. I took some classes with JD,LLM students. Law school seems less intriguing to me.

Yet, I want to give a shot for LSAT.My weak part is RC. I'm currently got -8, 9 for RC. I wonder if hiring a RC tutor will be helpful and if yes, how I work with the tutor.

Hey guys,

So I am beginning timing now but I am unsure of how to approach this for the December test. I am BRing an average of 165-168. My timed score averages from 150 all the way to 159. I am aiming for above 162 for sure.

What do you guys recommend?

Should I dedicate one day to two days per section type and see what works (but I feel like my LR section suffers when I don't consistently do questions) ?

LR is my weakest section in terms of timing and LG is my strongest but I can definitely improve on all three sections. Considering my target score, what will be the most effective? What do you suggest?

How should I approach these few weeks before the December test? I need more like a study plan/schedule for these couple of weeks I guess... Kind of lost and all over the place right now.

Like today, I basically tried timing strategies for all three sections and found nothing helped other than the fact that I did better on LG. It was stress juggling all three sections on one day.

Can someone explain section 1 Q 15 to me on the 7Sage practice test? I'm really struggling. Here's my logic:

W1: G (by rule)

W2: T (by rule)

W3: can't be G because G must come directly before J and J can't be W4

W4: Cant be J (by rule)

W5: Must be G (by rule)

W6: Must be J (has to be one stop min)

W7: T (by rule)

This only leaves Martinique x2 for weeks 3 and 4. But the rules state G must take place between those 2 trips....

Help....please! lol

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-june-2007-section-1-game-3/

Proposition questions: should I approach these like an inference question or a principle question? I've read different things. Example of this question type is PT 82 section 2 question 14.

Thanks in advance!

I just finished PT 73 and got 6 wrong in the 26-question LR section. I had about 5 min left after I finished the first round and circled 4 questions (answered but wanted to double check). I checked them all with the time left. However, none of the circled questions were wrong. I re-read the wrong questions without checking the videos and easily find where goes wrong: I mis-read a lot and moved on without checking all answers.

How do you avoid mis-reading, particularly in LR?

I have been studying since May and have improved greatly. My LG sections have gone from -15 to -5, but I want to go -0 or -2. On the September test, I went -11 for each LR and RC section, which is high for me. I usually score between 155-160 on practice tests, but I scored 151 on the September test. I have done blind review and can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong. I feel like I have a good grasp on conditional logic, but I keep missing so many questions. How can I get my score to the mid to high 160s in one month?