Brutally. Any advice? I'm just now learning them and just completed that part of the CC. They are just crushing my soul. Tonight I plan on reviewing the conditional logic exercises, anything else I should be doing? I cried, broke down today, brainstormed other professions, then got a hold of myself and realize that giving up is just not an option. I can and will own these asshole jerk questions. No offense to anybody that loves them.

Dec 2017 score 153. Hoping to break into 160s, and I think there's a good chance. The 153 was at the tail end of nearly a month of acute bronchitis, I even had to leave during LG to cough a lung up in the hallway. Thought about cancelling at the time, but was fairly sure I could regain control of my nerves to finish without complete disaster. My UG GPA & softs with even a 153 are probably enough to get me into my state school of preference.

I'm a non-trad, grad student. Please be ready to provide references and have an established credible method of receiving payment like PayPal.

I am in the Some and Most Relationships category of the curriculum and I am finding myself a little confused about negation vs the contrapositive. One of the quizzes gives this example: "All non-water breathing mammals have limbs". The task states to: 1. Translate all English statements into Lawgic. 2. Negate each statement in Lawgic. 3. Translate each statement back into English. So my translation looks like this: NWBM --> L. Now I believe that this is correct but the next step is where my confusion begins. I recognize that All is a group 1 logical indicator so the task for that involves finding the contrapositive which would be: /L --> /NWBM. This is not negation which would be in the english translation: Some NWBM do not have L. So I believe that my confusion is coming from not understanding when I am supposed to apply a negation rather than a contrapositive to the original statement in an LR question.

Hi everybody.

I scored a 143 cold (done in June 2017) but I don't really consider it valid because I was sleeping through Reading Comp and barely taking the tests seriously. Regardless, my strongest sections were LR and LG. LR is somewhat understandable for me. I know for sure I am to do very well in February by looking at the questions in terms of category + strategy. Thought I'd shoot and ask you what are your strategies for LR questions. You can either state one question or how you approach the section as a whole. I'm devising a plan for each question and will test it out through drilling a million of them. My latest practice test (back in like October) was 158. I've been studying half-ass, but seeing as I wasted my $ not taking the December test. I chose to study very hard since October. I've been on it and with now 6 weeks left to the test, I'm on full throttle. Right now I'm perfecting my logic games, but I'd like to dedicate the next two weeks on drilling LG and LR and perfecting the strategies for this. Then I'll do 1 week for perfecting RC and spend the last 2-3 weeks doing practice tests, working on weaknesses and drilling.

170+ or go home.

Thank you!

So... I just checked my December scores (I know late) and I'm lost for words. It was my third take, but... my score dropped. First take cancel (felt incredibly ill, cancelled as soon as exam ended), 2nd take 166, 3rd take 165...

I've been seeing consistent improvement in my PTs for the past 6 months, and were averaging in the 173-74 range for the last month of preparation. Though there was that one weird PT which I bombed out on (I believe PT 81), scoring a 167 a week before my actual exam... and I'm starting to think whether that score psyched me out.

I just can't figure out where I went wrong either because I took the undisclosed test in Asia so I'm just really lost as to what I should do next and am even questioning whether I'm really a good fit for law school... (I can take a guess that LR messed things up, since that's where I make the most silly mistakes when I panic). After all the months of studying, seeing a score drop is incredibly discouraging, especially when I was seeing progress in my PTs.

I worked hard on my college GPA, got a 3.94 from UChicago and am really frustrated about my LSAT scores weakening my application. Should I even go for a fourth attempt in February? In fact, do I still even have a shot at the T14 schools if I take the test 4 times? And not applying for this cycle will mean that I will have taken 2 years of gap year... and of course I plan to go on internships and work on projects if I delay my application but I don't know if such a long break will also hurt my chances at the top law schools. What should I do... any word of advice would be appreciated :(

I am fool proofing the 1-35 bundle of games, and wondering if I should spend any time fool-proofing the so-called irrelevant games in the early tests.

JY mentions that they don't appear in modern tests.

Wondering how long it took those who study and work full time to finish the full logic game bundle.

If you are new to the site and left handed you might want to try diagraming on the right side of your paper. I realized that when I diagramed on the left side of my paper I was taking up valuable time when moving my hand out of the way to look at my diagram. I didn't realize how distracting it was to keep moving my hand. Every second counts.

Maybe slightly off topic, but anyone have tips for screen sharing and drawing platforms for tablets for LG? Basically like JY's videos, but for screen sharing not recording videos.

Diagramming the more complex questions can take quite a bit of time. Sometimes the correct answers are more intuitive and thus it would be a waste of time to diagram. But reading the question stem and all the answer choices also takes time and when the correct answer choice is not intuitive, you have to go back and read the stimulus again to begin diagramming.

So my question is, how do you guys know when to diagram and when to not? Do you diagram from the first reading of any conditional/existential statement markers? Or do you do so as a last resort? Or do I just lack the intuition to know when diagramming is appropriate vs when it is not?

Hey, guys. Can anyone thing of a more recent game that has a rule like, “Only seats in the same row...”? Like who thought something like seats in row 1 and in row 2 could be immediately beside each other??? I guess that could happen if you diagrammed something like 123 with an aisle then 456 so 3 and 4 could be immediately beside each other and then 789 immediately behind 123??? I interpreted the rule to mean that no one can be assigned to a row by themselves and the middle seat can’t be empty because someone has to be seated immediately beside you. I diagrammed three rows on top of one another just as displayed in the game so I never thought of it any other way. I set up my game boards this way and missed questions because I misinterpreted it. Anyway, I’m venting because it seems dumb to me but can anyone think of something like this in more recent games?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-3-game-1/

Hi guys,

Can someone break this question down for me? It’s a PSA question, and I’ve watched every explanation I could on it and it’s still not clicking.

Would appreciate any insight on it.

Thanks!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-50-section-2-question-12/

Where is the best place to buy Logic Games from PT's 1-35?

Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me with this problem. Its a main conclusion question. It seems as if the second sentence is something like a minor conclusion, that is, its used in service of the larger conclusion (the first sentence). If this were a main conclusion question for reading comp, I think I would have chosen the correct answer C. Instead I chose A. Any ideas?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-54-section-4-question-11/

I am doing the flash cards for the group 3 logical indicators and keep coming up with the contrapositive first. Example: There is no punishment without law. The group 3 operator is without I picked “law” made it the sufficient and negated it. The other idea was punishment. So for me it looked like this: /L -> /P. and then my contrapositive is P -> L. I kept doing this on many of them. The flash card showed with P -> L first. I realize that they are just contrapositives of each other but I just started to worry that there may be something wrong with the way I was reading it that would cause me problems in real LR questions.

Imagine a Sequencing/Matching hybrid game in which you need to sequence five entities - A, B, C, D, and E --- then match each of those to one of three attributes --- x, y, z.

A cannot be matched with x.

Exactly two people are matched with x, and they are consecutive.

C is matched with z.

There are exactly two spaces between C and A.

I wrote out two sketches one as a chart to show which matched and the other as a sequencing game to show the list of entities from 1 to 5. Is there a better way I can sketch this?

I do pretty well with recent LSAT RC sections, but do dreadful with earlier RC sections. Has anyone else experienced this dilemma?

Hey guys,

Trying to get a sense of how long it usually takes someone to achieve consistent -1/-0 on logic games. How many games from early tests did you do, how many attempts for each game, how many PT's before you started seeing perfect LG scores etc.

Hi everyone,

I have a bit of a weird problem... Over my preparation for the LSAT, I have made HUGE improvements but I have one thing in LR still holding me back and I am really not sure what I should/can do to fix this. Whenever I am doing an LR section, I am not sure if I get nervous or anxious but I read a stimulus and have trouble remembering what I read, which sometimes requires me to have to reread the stimuli a second or a third time before moving to the AC. Interestingly, as SOON as I am done the section and the 35 minutes have passed, I read through the section again and I have no problem with recall. It is as if timing resulted in me having trouble remembering the stimuli. Also, this only happens in the LR section and usually at the beginning. I think by question 4 I am fine. Even with this problem, however, I am still under -9 for both LR combined.

Has anyone else experienced something similar? Will it go away as I just do more timed sections? Any advice would be appreciated!

There is a rule I am not able to understand and how I would write it out as a rule during my sketch. I believe it is a hybrid game...sequencing and not sure what else.

In a game disallowing ties: B appears before C, or B appears before D, but not both.

I wrote out the rule as B...C OR D...B but this doesn't clearly explain the rule and I will most likely continue to be confused. How can I better understand rules in this nature and what would be a better way to sketch it.

i am desperately looking for a 7sage tutor not overly expensive for my feb lsat i am aiming for 158-160 i have a BR of 150 and 147 before blind review. After seeing everyone receiving their score i know i can get there with the right help. I have reached out to a few 7sage tutor but no reply back yet so if you are a tutor and you see this please reach out to me as soon as possible i am on break for a week and would like to start from dec 26.

Firstly THANK YOU JY for your incredible LG explanatory videos, that's what finally helped me crack the game section after almost eight months of studying! Got my December score on Friday, 173!!!!! (up from 158) Thank you 7sagers for everything!

Now my question: In practice tests three weeks prior to the actual exam I scored higher than 173 about 8 times. I definiely want to start school in the fall, so I am applying now. If I get wiatlisted on T-14 schools, will sending in a higher February score help me or nah? I would take it again, but not for nothing.

Thanks guys!

I got a 149 and have 3.63 gpa and my top school is Rutgers. I have 1 year paralegal experience, great recommendations and should have a good personal statement as well. I am only aiming for 5 points more. My best section is RC but I am only able to finish 3 passages and for logic games- linear and not too complex grouping is good for me but LR even though I get most of the concepts, I feel as though I am slow and so any tips on speed? OR SHOULD I JUST APPLY AND HOPE FOR THE BEST

Hey guys! Had a 7Sager email in with a question that I thought you guys could help out with. Note that any iterations of "you" are referencing J.Y.

I have a question for you regarding reading comprehension, specifically the comparison passages.

I noticed that in several older videos/tests with the comparison passages, you read both passages first and then went straight to the questions. In the newer tests though, I saw that you did one comparison passage first, then went to the questions and answered them or eliminated answer choices, and then read the second passage and returned to the questions afterwards. When I do this second approach of reading one passage, going to the questions, and then reading the second passage VERSUS reading both passages before the questions, I end up spending more time on the questions.

Would it be wiser for me to stick to reading both passages first and then heading over to the questions, OR should I retrain myself to the method that you have been doing in newer tests of reading one passage and then going to the questions before reading the second passage?

Also, I'm curious what your view is on marking/notating the passages while reading the passage. Your videos focus on the memory method. For me personally, I have to underline and circle words in order to stay focused and engaged with the reading. I've seen different methods regarding notating such as the Powerscore book and Nicole Hopkins' methods of Reading Comp. From your experience, do most of the high test takers whom you have worked with heavily mark the passage or not as they read?

Thanks!

Question, I received a 143 on my lsat and the school I'm looking at 25th percentile is a 145. However, my gpa is well over their 75th percentile. I have already submitted my applications, do I ask the school to hold the application until I take February's test? Also if i retake the February test and get a higher score, do they consider that for scholarships?