I'd thought it would be great if we got a retakers thread started for this upcoming June Test. What are some things you are planning to do differently? Study materials, schedules, etc.

I underperformed by a lot from my PT average so June it is...

EDIT: I would like to use this thread for June prep so we don't crowd up all the entries. :P

I'm just curious to know what are people's schedule for the June LSAT. Maybe we can use this thread as a way to see everyone's schedule such as for those that study 40+ hours, those that work & implement lsat prep, those that are still in undergrad/grad school & manage studying for the LSAT. This may be helpful for everyone retaking in June and needs motivation to get back into study mode.

Anybody in the OC already in/want to start a study group? I'm moving back home temporarily to study with no distractions on the 15th and would love to study together, even if we do nothing more but have LSAT books on top of a table and are sharing the same space.

If your decision is contingent on finding a study buddy who is similar to you, I will message you my stats :)

I diagram my If, then, unless statements like this, would this be accurate way of diagram this condition?

• If, then, unless

----------------------------SPW--------------------------------------------/FB---------------------------FA

• EX: If [the seeds are planted in the winter,] then [flowers will not blossom unless fertilizer is applied.]

SPW: Seeds Planted in the Winter

FB: Flowers Blossom

FA: Fertilizer is Applied

SPW → /FB

........ → FB → FA

(The first arrow in the second condition is suppose to slant down from "SPW"

Hey!

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Alright, as a little background to this, I've always read super fast. As such I never run out of time on the Logical Reasoning Sections, ever. I usually have around 8-12 minutes left by the time I'm done, and I don't really feel like I'm rushing.

Unfortunately it's the section I've been suffering on the most lately, especially now that I've improved my analytical reasoning a lot. I'm not doing terrible (168 PT) but the LR sections are the ones that I feel I can do better on. I have to sit there for the full 35 minutes anyways, so I probably should be doing something more productively. I'm not sure what however.

I was doing the same thing, time-wise, on the reading comprehension, and my solution there was to just make a lot of notes on the passage. That actually worked pretty well. But it isn't working for LR. So if anyone here has had the same problem I would be happy to hear some solutions.

Thank you.

I recently got into a top 25 law school for Fall 2015 entering class, which is a good regional school. I also am a resident of that state, so I would get lower tuition.

I took the LSAT twice (1st score: 157, 2nd score: 161), but my practice tests had been around 165-167 range, and I was studying while working full time. I am not sure what my true potential is. I am wondering if it would make sense for me to try to retake the LSAT again this coming June, hoping for a score in the 170s, and then delay entering law school for another year so that I can get into a T10 school….OR just start going to school starting this Fall. Note that I’m 35 years old, and already having a professional career, so time isn’t really on my side. I'm trying to balance the advantages of cheaper tuition at a reasonable school, against the possibility of opening up more options by going to a higher ranking school, but waiting an extra year.

If it is worth it to consider retaking the June 2015 LSAT and waiting another year to enter law school, my follow up question would then be, how can I get a good personal assessment of my true potential score, with enough study and practice, and what score is worth retaking for?

Thanks in advance for you any advice!

My apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere.

How are the games organized in the LG Bundle? Chronologically? By type?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I've been working on LGs the past couple of weeks and I realized that Grouping games are my lease favorite, especially the ones with sub categories. I've memorized the rules but when I'm working on these games I get confused and sometimes it messes up my game boards. I've noticed that I'm always scared to get rid of a rule because I think I'm doing it wrong. Such as when the sufficient is failed the rule becomes irrelevant but i'm still scared of placing a & b in the same in/out slot. Is there any other methods you've used on these rules? Or should I just continue practicing on these game types?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-66-section-3-game-1/

For this game, the instructor said "J" and "O" can't be stacked together because the rule is: "J" comes earlier than "O." If "J" is stacked with "O," with "J" in the a.m. and "O" in the p.m., isn't that still J - O?

Hello,

From watching JY's videos I thought I had the Fool Proof Method down pack but now I am unsure.

I currently give myself 8 mins on a LG in the course. Then I watch the Game Board Setup/questions videos and check my answers. Then if I missed any of the questions I print out 10 copies. I usually print 10 copies of each game, just for extra practice. Even on the games I get a 100% I just like to go back to them in a few days/weeks/months and work them out again to make sure I understood the game. But I'm currently working my way through the Intro to Grouping Games: In/Out Games and I noticed that when I printed out the 1st problem set in the instructions it said:

1. Complete each LGs in less than 10 mins.

2. Fool Proof Review - Is this the same way I've been doing it before?

3. Check your answer

So I wanted to clarify if I'm actually doing it right? Or am I missing a step?

Congratulations to everyone who took the February lsat!

I should let you know, gloating about how well you felt like you did is dangerous. Many people gloat and end up doing worse than they expected....you don't want that happening to you!

Then there are people who are reading your post and start getting worried because they don't feel as good about it. It's not nice lol

J.Y. touches on this briefly in some of the posts in the problems sets, but at what point should I really be focusing on the timing of these sets? Most of the games don't give me a whole lot of problems, but some I have to fool proof the crap out of. I always try to work to be accurate before speedy. Is this the right approach? J.Y. says in some of the games to not worry about timing as much and take as long as needed. On the problems that I have issues with, will the speed come as I get more accurate from fool proofing? At what point should I be focused intently with my time? During the preptests or the problem sets?

Hi guys,

I'm currently working through the NA questions and I am having a hard time understanding the concepts with bridging and blocking. I know that NA questions help strengthen an argument by a little. Barely. But somehow I feel that I need to weaken the argument when I get to the answer choices. I think I'm actually confusing the whole negate the correct answer choice process, right? Could someone better explain this to me?

Hey everyone -- you've all been such awesome buddies as 7Sagers I thought I'd recommend something from my personal LSAT experience -- take headache meds or whatever you might need along those lines with you on test day.

In September I had a cold as I flew into Florida the day before the LSAT from where I live in Costa Rica and thanks to the pressure changes during the flight my cold erupted and I developed the most awful sinus headache during the LSAT and had no meds on me. So this time I'm flying into Florida tomorrow - a day earlier - in case anything needs to settle, and I'll have meds on me on test day just in case. Hopefully most of you are very local to a LSAT center but I thought I'd mention this in case it might be a useful heads up to someone!

Any other tips to share?

Best wishes to all you fellow hard workers and dreamers for Saturday! I'm really going to miss the 7Sage camaraderie.

Does anyone know if we're allowed to bring a thermos into the test if it fits into the gallon sized bag? I usually am drinking coffee all day, and am worried about crashing mid test if I don't have any for the break.

Hey guys! I've been meaning to ask if anyone could help me better understand this concept. I think I understand it but when I'm under timed conditions this skips right over my head. It's like I don't even notice it being causation or correlation until I reach the answer choices, sometimes. So does anyone have a better approach? I have taken notes about this section but it still seems to go over my head. I've also watched that section 3 times lol maybe a 4th time will actually work lol.

Hey! Since I'll be taking the June LSAT I wanted to know if anyone else was on the same track as I in taking 2-3 PTs each week. Maybe we could make a study group and take the same PTs every week, BR, and then go over some of the questions we've found difficulty in? If so, let me know :)

the last few times i've done LR i've just tried racing through the questions and you know what. i've found my score to be significantly better. i've gone from -11 to -3/-4 the past few days. as an added bonus i typically have 6 or 7 mins to review my answer choices.

i don't trust this method, but i'm wondering if i just over analyze the answers.

any thoughts?

Hey! I wanted to know if anyone in this forum would like to do a google doc, similar to the one I did for flaw questions? We could work on it together and/or input our notes/examples? I still have not cover NA questions but I tend to always miss those on PTs. Thanks!

Hey you guys! I have a google doc for flaw questions with examples and I've been sharing it with other people from 7sage and anyone else that may need them. I recently received an email telling me that they cannot view my google doc. I was wondering what that reason could be? Would anyone know? I am able to see it on my end but the people that I've shared it with cannot view it? I've checked my settings and nothing is private. When I tried to copy and paste it would no longer let me because now it keeps showing me as offline. Or it'll say "reconnecting" does anyone know what I could do?

For those 7Sagers taking the February LSAT, I just want to encourage you to stay strong and never let go of your dream. I'm 57 and will be retaking the LSAT in February as my prior performances in September and December were well below par, but in the meantime today I received my first law school acceptance ahead of the February re-re-take! I didn't even know that any law school would be reviewing my application prior to the February test score being available! Better still, UC Irvine is right up there among my top choices, so I'm thrilled. Perhaps with this acceptance in hand, nerves won't get the better of me on test day and I can help my chances of a healthy scholarship :-) Truly, fellow 7Sagers, if this dream can come true for me with persistence, it can happen for you too (and thanks to 7Sage for all that I've learned and enjoyed learning with you!).

Do any other LSAT retakers have a tale of encouragement to share?

I don't know if I should wait for my scores for the February exam to come back to submit my applications? Or can I submit them and they will still consider the new score when it comes out? I feel like 6 weeks from the test is so late.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-57-section-1-game-1/

I am confused about #5 on prep test 57 logic game #1. It is a substitution question type where it asks us to substitute M --> L (rule 3).

I watched the 7sage explanation video and did not understand it at all. I then tried to figure out why the answer choice is C. I looked at all the diagrams I have written out for the game and compared it to answer choices. Whatever that was not a Must Be True answer choice, I eliminated and that's how I figured out it would be C.

I then looked up the explanation on Manhattan blog and the person was saying we need to find an answer choice that still gives us M ---> L with all the other original rules remaining in effect.

I guess I'm confused about one thing in substitution questions. When it asks us to substitute a rule and keep the other rules in effect, is that another way of saying which one of the answer choices still gives you M ---> L? So are we not substituting the M ---> L? Are we essentially still looking for an answer choice that will give us M ---> L?

Hey, everyone. When you do the PTs for the second time (about 6 months after the first take), do you think a improvement in scores entails a genuine improvement or just that I remember the questions?