Oh how I wonder if there is a "fitness" criteria prior to first day of classes...it's not even thanksgiving and I can't stop eat...hey now neither is it winter... What a drag this is right now ughhhhhhh

On what kinds of questions are those invalid existential conclusions relevant?

Like, A-->B some C

And we can't conclude A some C.

Are these in must be false questions? Has anyone come across a question that deals with this kind of bad conclusion?

Hi everyone,

I'm currently reviewing PT 37 that I completed yesterday and I'm on section 2 #12. Even watching JY's video, I'm still a little confused about the "cannot" and "without" in the stimulus. Anyway, I was just wondering-- what do you do when you have two indicators but they're in different groups? Or the way that JY presents it, maybe we're disregarding the "without" for being in group 3? And we're just treating it as a "no"?

I mean, either way, for the two indicators in one sentence issue--I feel like there was a lesson on this or that it was mentioned somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. If anyone could let met know or let me know what lesson it was in, that'd be great. And if you can further explain #12 I'd really appreciate it too! Thank you! :) Happy studying!

Okay so i was watching the video where JY tells us how to distinguish between Valid and Invalid argument forms and at the end he gave us a little trick to remember how to distinguish between the two and that was that:

In the valid forms, the existential statements appear first and then the universal statements.

So an example is

A some-> B-> C

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A some ->C

And in the invalid forms the universal statements appear first and then the existential statements.

So an example of this would be:

A --> B some-> C

---------------------------

A some->C

BUT, the problem is that this doesnt hold true for VALID forms 6-8 as they start with universal statements rather than existential statements. So can someone tell me a trick to remember those three.

Thanks!

So I took the September LSAT at Pace University in NYC last weekend. During the test, there was incredibly loud pipe construction above us banging throughout the test, along with an occasional loud hissing sound that lasted for around 10 seconds coming from a mysterious part of the room. It got so loud that during the middle of the test right after we had finished one of our sections, the proctor told us that the LSAC was aware of these issues, and that we could cancel if we wanted to. None of us did.

Although I actually feel pretty good about this test (I was strangely able to concentrate pretty well for some reason), would there be any benefit to me to report the construction issues to LSAC given that I definitely don't want to cancel? Thanks!

Every time after a timed section i blind review and for at least 3 or 4 they were such stupid mistakes or i didnt read carefully or all the answers. I think its because i feel like im rushed and looking over with a relaxed state of mind changes everything. anyways what do you guys think will help me?

Speculators... come one come all. What do we think, hope, pray that the curve (170) will be?

For historical purposes... and because I find myself with an abundance of time now that I am done with the beast... here are the last few curves.

PT 68 -11

PT 69 -11

PT 70 -11

PT 71 -13

PT 72 -12

I felt very strong on everything but games ( my trouble spot from the start ) but I feel they were perfectly normal. Nothing crazy as in recent past exams, I just suck at games. That said, I thought the other sections were quite normal too, maybe even a little softer, so I'm going to go with -10 as my guess. That said, I would very much relived if it turns out to be a -12 or -13...who wouldn't?

For perspective, the averages for my 5 most recent, 10 most recent, and 35 most recent PTs, were all within 1 point of each other. My individual scores were all over the board... but my averages for those groups were pretty uniform and if my guess on the curve is right, I'll do about 2 points better than my "average" thanks to strength in my non-LG sections.

Anyone else care to share?

****PLEASE DO NOT TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS****

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PLEASE READ THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHY:

Important Note about Sept 2014 LSAT

Even though I had written close to 39 prep tests, I did feel much more nervous on the actual LSAT. And I tried to keep as calm as I could by relaxing and doing fun things on the day before but I realized it's hard not to be nervous. For people like me, who have wanted to become a lawyer since they were 10, the LSAT pretty much determines whether you make it or not. You try to forget it but it's really something you can't get rid of completely. That being said, I didn't lose my head, and kept as calm as I could I be. I think my adrenaline rush helped me go faster and I finished the reading comp and first logical reasoning with 5 minutes to spare. And I also finished the logic games and second logical reasoning without feelings of impending doom.

Overall feelings:

The reading comprehension: the first passage was easy, second was by far the most difficult and the other two were okay.

Logical Reasoning: the first was pretty easy, the second was tough, many questions I had to really think about and make an educated guess.

Logic games: not as easy as I expected, time consuming, had to do a lot of brute forcing, and last game I ran out of time so guessed last 2-3 questions.

All in all, it wasn't terrible, no surprises, and I felt it went okay. I wasn't coming out of the exam crying, or wanting to cancel it. BUT I can't tell you for the life of me of what my predicted score could be. I just have no idea. Is this normal ?! And do people who scored in the 160's and 170's

ever feel this way after their exam. ( I was scoring high 160s and even a 170 the day before the exam).

Hi Everyone,

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere! I looked but couldn't see anything.

My question is, are you restricting your timing when practicing RC questions, or are you just timing yourself to see when you're finished? I have been restricting my time between reading the passage (and summarizing as I go), then restricting the time again to writing a summary for each paragraph and the overall summary, and restricting my time to answering the questions.

J.Y. said to not restrict your time too much when first practicing... maybe 12 minutes for harder passages. But it's hard to set up a timer if you don't know how hard the passage is before you read it. That's why I'm wondering if people have been just marking down how long it took them, but not actually setting a timer.

Thank you for your input! I like reading how other people are practicing.

I joined 7Sage 10 days ago and am planning on taking the LSAT in Dec. Beginning to feel overwhelmed with the schedule. I am aiming to take ~29 PT before that. Is my goal too ambitious? I am not working and am studying full time. I feel like I'm getting bogged down trying to complete all the relevant problems. Maybe it will be best to push test back to February, in order to build a solid foundation...Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated!

Hi,

Reading Comp is my weakest link. I have a lot of room for improvement and I was wondering if you guys could share your strategies (of course successful ones). I try to usually follow the VIEWSTAMP method (views, structure, author's view, and main point), but that seems to get me 65-70%.

Hi all, I took the June LSAT & got 155. I knew I hadn't prepared enough so I signed up fro September and have been studying A LOT. My scores have been consistently 160, 161 and the day before yesterday I scored 164. I took a prep test this morning and scored 153! I'm wondering if I should take another one today or tomorrow, or just let my brain rest. My friends are telling me I am burnt out and need to relax, but going into the real LSAT with my last practice test being a 153 is super scary. What do you guys think? Have any of you had this happen and then bounce back on LSAT day?

Thanks all advice is appreciated :)

just a quick question for you guys. i really appreciate any feedback

i just took the sept lsat, but I am thinking about taking the dec. test as well. I was wondering if i have to cancel my sept score in order to take the dec test. I am nor nervous about, nor will I be disappointed in, my score as I am proud of the preparation that I did for the past few months. that being said, I am trying to be as realistic as possible and believe that test day jitters got the best of me; I do not think that I am going to hit my PT/target score. I literally felt like I could take another test the same day and hit that mark no problem lol.

I would certainly like to see how I did and want to make sure that if I cancel, I wont lose that chance. Also, any opinion you have on taking multiple tests in terms of how that is perceived by admissions offices would be greatly appreciated as well!

thanks in advance for all of the help!

Is the LSAT administered outside the US (like in the UK) different from the US one?

So I had the tiny desks which aren't even big enough to spread the exam out on. Meanwhile, the other three classrooms at my university had full size desks. I'm not going to file a complaint....just wanted to gripe. There, now I'm done.

Good morning and good luck to everyone! I will be leaving in 1 hour

I barely finished my last PT on time.

I'm in my target range but don't want to miss it.

Any tips on top time savers - things that can make a difference when you're in range before test day, but don't wanna mess it up? (ie staying strict about skipping)?

I caught myself daydreaming a bit on my last few PTs. And I barely finished on time.

I know daydreaming sounds crazy because time is so precious, but imagine part of it is because my mind wanted a break - given that we must stay so mentally focused at an intense level throughout a long test.

Does anyone have tips for keeping mentally alert throughout the exam?

I have some ideas:

1. Awareness - if I catch it happening, I can remind myself to stay on task - I can daydream after the test ;-)

2. Maybe on test day the pressure will keep me moving quickly.

3. Use the desire to daydream as a signal for a mental break - so take a few seconds to do less mentally taxing tasks ie bubble in answers (I bubble in parts), or look over for any mistakes.

4. If I catch myself daydreaming, look ahead a few pages to remind myself that I have lots to do - and some of the later stuff is probably harder, so more incentive to move my ass and stay focused.

Any other ideas?

I am taking LSAT this coming Saturday.

I have been panicking and stressed out for the past 3 weeks and came to a decision to take another LSAT next year. It would have been ideal if I could move my test date to December but my baby is due 2 days before the test date so, it is not going to work.

I decided to go ahead and take September LSAT just to experience what it feels like to take actual LSAT and how I would do on actual test compare to my practice tests.

I am listening to "the Law school admission game" audio book, and the author says not to take the test unless I feel ready.

She says most likely the scores won't be averaged out (I also looked up schools I am interested in and they said they won't be averaging scores out).

What could be a reason for her to say not to take the test then?

She doesn't really says why in the book. She is just strongly against it.

She says to withdraw from the test 24 hours before the test if I do not feel ready.

Any ideas as to why?

I'm so nervous, I suffer from a wandering mind, and I got a 150 on my last prep test, I mistakenly bought a book with the most recent test in it from 2000. I've been studying since April and I just need more time. My only question is, if I take it twice, will schools average my score, or will they take the higher score? Is anyone else considering December already? I'm not being pessimistic, I'm just trying to be realisitic.

I'm wondering if Mr. Ping has any good pointers on how to ration the space on the page, especially when dealing with questions that may require copying down the game board several times to test the options. Usually I'd just write down the game board once and then write lightly enough when filling it out with the different sets of elements, so that the markings can be erased easily with one single stroke of the eraser before I need to fill in the other set.

I'm in my target score range, but I don't want to overdo it....

Are two PTs too much? One on Monday and one on Wednesday?

Or should I just do one and spend the rest of the time focusing on weakness areas so I don't overdo it?

Thoughts?

Hey everyone, hope you are all hanging in there as we approach Saturday. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions/advice about the kind of prep work to do in the last week? I know the idea is to hone in on weaknesses and review the concepts surrounding them. I was wondering if there was anything else to add to that list?

Thanks for any advice/ suggestion you can offer and I wish you all the best of luck!

Immanuel

I previously dismissed the idea of chaining that JY advocates in the In/Out course videos, but I'm beginning to think it may be more effective.

Thoughts?