153 on Nov which is just so irritating because my nerves from RC not going well largely influenced my later sections which were real and my timing just sucked. Also had personal matters occur the day before and despite trying to shake it off, I think my mind was elsewhere. Nov score is 3 points lower than Oct (156) which also was a bad test day because I was impacted by hurricane and I took the retest after no studying for 2 weeks bc no power and being stuck. Aug was 155 and I was happy thinking it was a good starting point and was how I had been PTing. Now with a score decrease I am just so angry because I know I can do better and underperforming is just my issue. I have mental blocks when I start to feel stuck and it leads me to rereading and timing just being so bad. I think I need to change my approach but don't know how? I have the loophole book and will probably look over the curriculum for conditional and grammar maybe? I am also just curious if it is truly possible to have a significant change if I am also getting a job since my gap months of studying are now just not proving efficient and I need to occupy my resume for admissions. All this to ask if it is worth retaking if I do not improve that much but I just have a gut feeling to retake since I feel my potential is better than all the scores I have, and it's just mentality on test day causing me issues. I'm also all over the place with PT's being high 150s and then sometimes 160s so also curious if there is a just not a "click" in studying yet (largely depends on LR score and question variety most of the time, RC is pretty consistent). if you read all this, thank u for letting me rant and also would appreciate advice. I just want a 160 at this point.

I just received my November LSAT score and only improved 1 point from my last test in August 2023. I don’t really understand how because I have studied more than ever in my life and was doing over 6 points better on my practice tests. This is now my third time taking it with my scores barely improving. I took it June 2023 and got a 157, August 2023 158 and now November 2024 159. Since I’ve taken it 3 times with little improvement should I cancel my score or leave it? I fear it may look bad on my applications. I truly thought I would improve more if I retook it and now I’m at a loss.

Hey guys, I'm looking for the spiciest LR sections from newer PTs. Any recommendations?

Can someone please help me with sufficient assumption questions. I’m really struggling with them.

Are MBT common on the exam? I hate them. Cant map them out to save my life.

I seem to be repeating the same mistakes over and over. Like when I blind review, I can get what I did wrong and what I should have done etc, but I make the same mistakes over and over. Not sure how I even solve this….Another issue is I’m down to 2 answers and end up picking the wrong one each time… any suggestions on these two specific problems? My biggest weakness is conditional reading which I have been consistently drilling but always get 2 wrong out of 5.

Someone help me with Most Strongly Supported pleaseee I always get these wrong.

I know we're supposed to use the negation test to confirm the right answer for a necessary assumption question but....

If we negate trap answers -- aka sufficient assumption answer choices -- doesn't it still pass the test?

Example:

"Because we locked the door, no one can break into our house."

necessary assumption: one cannot break into the house going through the chimney.

sufficient assumption: the door is the only way in and out of the house, and the lock is impenetrable.

negate the necessary: one can break into the house going through the chimney (great, this wrecks the argument and passes the negation test!)

negate the sufficient: the door isn't the only way in and out of the house, and the lock is penetrable (great? this also wrecks the argument and passes the negation test...)

So... how can I reliably use the negation test as a tool for confirming a necessary assumption, and NOT a sufficient one?

I'm curious if anyone has any advice for mid career professionals considering applying to law school.

particularly does anyone have a sense of how admissions offices consider those who haven't been in school for awhile? how they might view work experience compared with past academics?

I'm trying to get an idea how much my mediocre undergrad GPA of 3.0 would be weighed vs my 15 or so years of professional work experience.

any insights are welcome and appreciated

Hey everyone,

Selfishly interested in seeing if anyone who scored below the median on their first test has any inspiring stories to share 😅

My October score was 149 — way below what I was hoping for —and feeling especially discouraged since the November LSAT felt equally, if not more, challenging. Taking it again in January.

Anyone else in a similar spot?

Hello,

I get 6-7 questions wrong on each section. In the LR section, it is pretty much one of each type. I know my weakness mostly is the NA questions, but I still get 1-2 of them wrong, how do I get better? I have been consistently drilling but no results.

I took the LSAT on November 9th, and literally had a mental breakdown halfway through the RC section. I felt prepared going into the exam, but it was way harder than I thought it would be. Did anyone else have this experience? I'm so scared to get my score back

I am in the process of writing my additional essays beyond my personal statement and could use some other opinions, for example for Wayne State there is an optional essay that can be written and it gives many topics however no information about length or formatting, should I follow the conventions given in their personal statement guidelines? Would it be appropriate to contact the admissions office to ask about this? any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I've experienced a RC score change from -3/-4 (August and September) to -9/-10 (October and November) in timed sections and PTs. My timing for passages have been off as I'm finding it harder to synthesize the information despite review. On passage that I've retaken from early in my study, I'm doing worse than before and getting more questions wrong. Has anyone else experienced something similar with their scores?

Not much has changed in my study routine. I've studied very consistently since July but have placed less emphasis on RC this past month / month and a half. (On the plus, my LR is getting better.) Regardless, I find it strange that my score has gone this way. Have my RC skills really decreased this significantly? How can I get back to my better score average? Any advice?

Thanks in advance. And happy studying!

I have been doing drills of 5 questions for each LR question type. And trying to at least get 80% correct on each difficulty level in order to move on to a different question type. But this feels wrong and I am not quite sure how to drill properly. I feel I need to do more questions, but still unsure if it’s best to mix question types or keep it the same. Does anyone have any tips that could help?

I took my diagnostic back in august and got 148. Since then I have been working through the curriculum. I made it through the foundations and first part of logical reasoning with the old version before I realized there was a newer one I should be on. since then I restarted the new version and redid grammar bc I felt I was shaky, I did all of the foundations and 22 percent of the logic part and 66 percent of the rc curriculum. About a month in I took another diagnostic (while at work and being interrupted) and scored a 149. I assumed that because I was at work that contributed to my low score and that it would generally show my improvement since then if I was in a controlled environment. However, after 3 months of studying as much as I could manage with working full time and being in grad school I scored yet again another 149 on the first round and actually blind reviewed the entire test and still only managed a 150. I am at a loss right now and feeling super discouraged. I only have a 3.3 from undergrad so I do need the lsat with my admissions. For reference I want to apply the year and not wait until next year bc I am currently working at a university that has free tuition for employees and a law school. I hate my job but that makes it worth it and everything would be so convent. I just am feeing discouraged right now and at a loss. I know I haven't finished the curriculum, but how is it possible that I am stuck in the same place as when I started. It makes me feel like all of this ha been for nothing.

Is A->B A->C therefore, B some C a valid argument, since A-m-> B and A-m->C therefore B some C is valid.

Wishing everyone well!

Hi, I'm scheduled to write the test Friday morning and I'm not sure if I should do it. I did the test last year November and scored in the low 150s and only started preparing for the November 2024 test a couple months ago. Last year I was scoring in the high 150s in my prep tests and I think it was because logic games were included. I've only done one complete prep test in the last few months and scored a 153. I feel that the past week of studying combined with application submissions has completely drained me and I'm feeling really anxious. I know schools say they'll accept Jan 2025 marks but does anyone know if that reduces your chances of getting into Ontario law schools? I really need advice on whether I should just complete the test this Friday and cancel my mark if I don't like it or just wait until January. Btw I'm doing fairly well when I do drills but something happens to me when I try to do full tests. I'm really stuck on what to do. Another side note, this would be my third attempt on Friday. Any advice would be appreciated.

Another question; If I do the November test and cancel my mark, are schools able to see I tried a third time and cancelled?

Thank you!!

Hello,

I was wondering how you all approach question stems asking you to identify a term or expression that someone in the stim misinterprets or misunderstands? I haven't seen this question type a lot, but I'm not too confident whenever I do come across them...even if it's lacking in difficulty! There's no section that covers this question type in the curriculum, likely because it's so infrequent, so I'm curious how to study for it and improve!

Thanks for the help!!

Hi all,

Instead of getting a bunch of 1 question type wrong on my PTs, I've been getting 1 of 6-7 question types wrong. For example, I'll get 1 Necessary Assumption, 1 Flaw, 1 Weaken, etc wrong on a PT.

I am really not sure what to drill if I'm just getting this wide variety of question types wrong individually. Does anyone have any tips or has anyone been through this situation that can help plan next steps?

Thanks!

Has anyone had issues scheduling their test for November 2024. I tried last week when the window opened and withing 30 minutes all the dates were taken. Now LSAC says they will request more dates, but they can't guaranteed that every student will get a time slot.

PS. MCAT dropped prometric in 2017. Why would LSAC hire such a horrible company? They are know for being unreliable.

If you'll are having issues, what are you'll doing?

I have emailed everyone in LSAC called every office and no one gives a solution. They can't give me a report # all they said is that their supervisors would contact me. The emails have all been BS responses with a "we wish good luck on your test". From what I have been told if Prometric can't accommodate us, we would need to reschedule to January test. This is a big no for two reasons:

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Here are some pointers that are installed into my brain but they may or may not come out the way I intend them to. First, be able to understand which questions are hard and which questions are easy. Usually, reading the stimulus and the question number itself (ex: 1-13), I can usually assume it will be a relatively quick question. So during these, I read the stimulus and understand the task that I must complete. Then I go to the questions and answer quickly, not giving much time at all to answer choices (instead of trying to reason with each answer choice, I quickly eliminate each choice that isn't 100% correct). Building a habit is what enables this for me, through a series of practice, I can understand/read the stimulus and know what the answer should sound like about 90% of the time, at least on the easy questions. Then on the harder questions (15-20), I usually take a little bit more time, I understand the patterns and by the time I go into the questions, once again through repetitive practice and habit I will be able to have an idea of the correct answer, but usually these harder questions have two answer choices that work with what I built. From there, I decide which answer is most strict to the stimulus, not which answer overall has the most profound and "reasonable in the real world" answer, but which answer applies MOST to the stimulus. Then for the hardest questions (20-27), I know that these are created to be hard, so the answer choices that answer it as if they are the questions within 1-13, I usually assume are wrong because it is meant to blind others from further thought and reasoning with other questions. I can usually scratch out 2 answers like this and also scratch out 1 answer choice that is meant to sound overly "smart" (such as a choice with profound wording and definitions that are within our syllabus, like "the justification of the commerce trader is appealing to a kind, that unlike the kind within the stimulus, is unreasonable with further efforts", basically just a string of random and confusing texts.) Remaining with two answers, I would usually pick the answer choice that I believe COULD work, however, after further practice I now understand that these answer choices are also usually meant to make us over assume, which leads to an incorrect answer. So I have begun choosing the 1 of the 2 answer choices, that although don't sound AS reasonable as the latter, need less assumptions/ or no assumptions at all to take place in order for that answer to be correct against the stimulus, even if this answer choice isn't as strong as the other would be, it is still stronger in face value because it does not need extra assumptions to take place. Once again, I don't know if this information is accurately written down as it is in my head but the main tip I am getting at is that you must practice and get used to the question types that will be persistently used AND remember that this is a test made by a human, so this human will try to use certain techniques to make you miss questions, try to combat these techniques, that are primarily used in the hardest questions, by remembering past techniques used.

So many times when I am reviewing what I got wrong, I look back at the question and I'm like why the hell did I choose that question. Why does this keep happening.

Also, most times I end up choosing the second best answer and how can I fix this.

I feel like I am understanding the test better, but somehow I also do well on the experimental section of the test and bomb one of the scored sections. Also, my LR scores on my last practice test varied from 4 incorrect to 11 incorrect.

Is anyone else having this problem??

ANY advice for this issue?