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Hey, y’all. I took the August LSAT and scored a 140. I was shooting for a 157. I thought I could rope LSAT prep into my schedule this semester, but it hasn’t worked. I’m planning on ramping studying back up November 1 for about an hour a day and then ramp it up even more when I’m home during break. My question is should I take it again in January or should I give myself more time? I’m looking to start law school in the fall of 2024. Any advice is appreciated!

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PT5 Section 1 Q15

Does anyone have any insight into this question? I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what the prompt is asking. Is the correct answer a possible argument that M will make?

Admin Note: Edited title. For LR questions, please use the format: "PT#.S#.Q# - brief description of the question."

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Scoring in low to mid 150's consistently. Been studying since August, LG is consistently my worst section and my RC is my best section by a little bit. I know my weak points obviously from analytics, but my question is with so little time left, what should I be focusing on the most right now? Realistically I can probably study for 25-28 hours a week if I no-life my Friday's and Saturday's which at this point I don't even care bc I'm so close. PLEASE somebody tell me what you'd do if you were me???

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I have been trying out various strategies and all seem to come with pros and cons. Initially I was speed reading (as I usually do), which gave me some time left over, but I made a lot of silly mistakes. I switched to an approach where I really engage with the passage, essentially talking it through in my own words and ensuring a solid understanding (or as best as I can get), but again I make those same errors and even feel time crunched for the last passage which i have to rush through.

What tips have helped you improve your RC score?

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After taking three practice tests, I have learned that READING COMP is consistently my best section and LG is the worst and it's not close. With the Nov LSAT being a little under a month away, what do I need to prioritize in terms of learning LG so that I at least become proficient at them? I'm not even concerned with going flawless, even if I went -5 on the exam, it'd bump me 8 whole points from my average. I can brush up and drill LR questions and such, but there are SO many logic games. What do I need to do? I keep hearing LG is the easiest section to improve but I feel like I'm still awful at them. Any help is much appreciated

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Hey 7Sagers,

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    #help

    I was not able to finish my LSAT. There was an error after the intermission and my screen just went back to LSAC homepage. Proctor did not know how to address this. She told me to exit and message help desk of ProProctor. I was worried this would affect my test and so I asked her if I could continue and she assured me that it would not affect my test. I believed her and left; contacted Proctor was told to restart. And so I did, when I tried logging back in - I was not allowed in. There was a pop-up that said I should contact LSAT. I filed a complaint but I'm worried I may not be allowed for a retake on Oct. 25. I am an international test taker and the money is quite heavy but also the next exam is in January. I'm planning to submit my applications around Nov-Dec.

    What should I do? I'm so worried or maybe what should I atleast expect? Will I have to retake all four sections if I am allowed?

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    Diagnostic score of 145, currently PT’ing in low 150’s. Started studying in August and taking the LSAT in a month. Realistically, what kind of a jump can I make in one month? Best is -9 on RC -10 on LR and -12 on LG I think, and I’ve yet to finish the last game on a logic games section. Would love to be in the mid 160’s. Is this a realistic goal at this point?

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    I just took the LSAT writing sample. I used every second. When the clock struck 0, I was taken to a page that said something like "Oops, error. Try reloading the page or talk to us in the chat". My videocamera and screen continued to be recorded. I chatted with a proctor and he said the close will tab. I'm still worried it didn't get submitted...... Has this happened to anyone else? How do I check to see if it got submitted?

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    I feel very stuck. I've managed to nearly perfect my LG and I've never struggled much with RC, but for some reason I can't seem to get over this hurdle with improving my LR. Whenever I get one wrong, I watch the video explanation on it. Sometimes it makes sense, and sometimes I feel completely and utterly lost no matter how many times I rewatch it.

    I know some people are going to tell me to drill my fundamentals until my brain hurts, and I do, but so many questions still make absolutely no sense to me. It's not even a specific section I struggle on, it's just... all of it.

    Does anyone else feel this way? What do I do about it? Advice?

    Edit: Whenever I look at another RC or LR question, I feel sick. I actually enjoy doing LG and find myself doing some just for the enjoyment of it, but RC and LR... the mere idea of reading another stupid paragraph about some trivial crap is making me want to run a railroad spike through my skull.

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    What the title says. I want to become better and faster at LG Inferences. I took a prep test (got a great score increase!) but I was only able to do two logic games. It took me sooooo long to get through those two games because I overthink too much and also I think about the inferences later while I am reading the questions instead of when I am drawing my game board. If I am being honest, If I can do at least three out of four games during the test I would be satisfied, I do not know if I can break 4 games fast enough before November ( but please tell me your tips, I am all ears and ready to put it all to practice to get this done!!!)

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    My situation: I have signed up for the October and November LSAT and plan to apply for this round. The thing is that I just decided to apply to law school this June, so I do not have much time to prepare for the LSAT and take the test. I have great Anxiety and only got accommodation 50% more time for the November test (I missed the deadline to apply for October. In my PT, I am now around 164 for normal timed tests, but because I constantly get distracted by my anxiety, if under the accommodation time, I am around 172. My parents and friends all suggested I take the test in October, just not put all chance into one test, but I am afraid my anxiety will make a mess in October, making it even below 160s. I am concerned some law school admission boards would concerned about score gaps if I got a better score in November. I actually took the LSAT in August, which was definitely a disaster because of my anxiety. It turns out to be 151. I am just afraid that the nightmare will happen again in October without accommodation. With more resting time and extended time, things definitely felt better from my end. But, all the people around me suggested I should take the October test. What would you recommend? I think the main concern for me is the score jumping if I messed up in October, or if I take then canceled will the admission board think that is a terrible grade and still consider it be a score jumping.

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    In logic games im getting a bit confused. When are two items always apart?

    for example is the always apart

    /j --> k

    or is it

    j --> /k

    or is it both? I've seen JY put a place holder in many in/out games saying these two are always apart but when do you know exactly they're always apart?

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    Hi, I'm having trouble with this passage's last question, which discusses what statement is more likely to be made by a member of Third Party, rather than the Popular Front. I chose C because I think the Third Party focused more on racial issues for African Americans, rather than the Popular Front's retreats on attacks from White Chauvinism. I'd like to know why B, considering that it is more general and less racially focused, would be more in line with the Third Party rather than the Popular Front, who seem more broad and general. My only possible answer is that the Third Party is less appealing to moderates, and the AC B really doesn't appeal to them. But, this does not inform me of why AC C is wrong.

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    Hi!

    The premise for PT61 S4 Q24 says "Most long-term friendships begin because someone felt comfortable approaching a stranger."

    I am a bit confused as how to map this out but I think I have an idea.

    I initially thought the word "because" would make the idea following the word "because" become on the right side when put into lawgic form:

    felt comfortable approaching stranger -> long-term friendship.

    However, is it because of the word "Most" that makes the lawgic form become:

    friends -most-> felt comfortable approaching stranger

    Am I confusing "because, since, and for", by thinking I am looking for premise and conclusion when I already know what the premise is. In other words, am I mixing causal and conditional logic?

    Sorry if this sounds confusing as I am having a hard time trying to explain my confusion. :(

    Thank you!!!!

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