Wondering if these are recorded? Thanks!

Thanks!!!! A few questions:

172 with a “few weeks of study” Wow ok.

I use the Pacifico method for my foolproofing too (sooo many sheet protectors!!). I don’t however, do it by section--I’ve been doing it in the order they appear in the CC, as noted earlier. Perhaps I should switch to section-by section, though, since I know that will give me a better sense of what I am to expect on test-day.

What was your purpose in doing 2 on Saturday (vs. 1)? And were these 4 or 5 sectioned tests?? How did you not burn-out doing 2 in a row?? (Sry I know that's 3 questions! :)

Did you use any particular method to track & plan out your study progress ?? (Big calendar hung on wall, wrote it in a planner, google calendar, good ole excel spreadsheet, etc.)

It seems from your strategy, you finished the entire CC and then went into fool proofing 1-35 + more recent games. Maybe I should do that too, because fool proofing while also doing LG CC is making the CC take MUCH longer. I think I’ll instead just set-up my foolproof pages for the LGs I encounter in the CC, so they’ll all be printed & ready once I am ready to revisit & foolproof them after I finish the entire CC.

I have 63 days until Dec test day. I do however, have a full-time job (which requires out-of-state travel), a part-time job (avg 4 hrs/wk, tho), and am pretty active socially (monthly civic assoc. & board mtgs, etc.) However -- I am a pretty focused & determined individual and my PTO @ my job is really generous / flexible (I've already requested off almost every single Friday until Test Day, heh. and i plan to take off much more the closer I get to it). I've been at this for 1.5 years now, and am slowly but surely creeping towards my goal score of 170 (highest PT has been 167). On every test LG is by far my weakest spot, so, similar to you, I am hoping a strong LG focus via 7Sage will bring my score to where I want it to be. (I still curse PowerScore every day for teaching me their antiquated methods...)

Thanks so much, @ for taking the time to write out your whole strategy! It’s greatly appreciated. If the LSAT alone wasn’t hard enough, it’s real challenge just to identify / know which studying practice works best for yourself !!

I still welcome an one else’s feedback & suggestions. ? Thank you.

Context: I took the Sept test, am registered for the Dec. I've been studying for almost 2 years using a variety of prep options, but recently discovered 7Sage in July 2017 I only got thru about half of LG CC (w/ no RC or LR CC) before taking September test. I have 2 questions:

I have been foolproofing LG's as I'm move along in the LG CC. As in, I (attempt to) fool-proof whatever game I've just learned in CC. Per someone's previous comment / suggestion, should I not be doing that ?? Should I wait until I finish learning ALL the LGs in CC to begin the 1-35 fool proof method ??

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If you need to address pacing, take footage of your tests and then watch it back with a stopwatch and a spreadsheet. Once you see the data all broken down, your issues become really conspicuous.

Could you please elaborate on this, @ ? I've seen where others mentioned doing this, but I am not sure of the entire logistics (when it comes to inputting into spreadsheet, etc.) Is there a webinar or detailed post that explains this method ??

As always, thank you!

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All I remember from my few months with powerscore (4y ago) is the greater than signs and just nothing making sense. now LG is a piece of cake.

Haha, yeah, their pure sequencing games are hell! Things like that are why I didn't really ever catch on with them. 7Sage is where it is as!

100%! That's why I bought the whole curriculum since the lg was so great.

Is it possible to purchase just LG curriculum from 7sage, without purchasing the whole CC? Is that what you mean you did ?? Or do you mean you just watched the (free) LG explanation videos, which were helpful to you, and then you purchased the CC? I've watched the LG videos but I find myself confused... (w/ out having learned his ways via CC)

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I think it's unfair that they recycled a test that wasn't entirely sealed. Revealing the type of a specific logic game gives some test takers an unfair advantage.

What do you mean by "wasn't entirely sealed" ??

Noooo!! - I had LG as experimental but from the looks of it it sounds like the harder one was NOT experimental. The LG section with the spacial Junior/Senior game was the true LG, I guess. Can someone confirm?? Or also mention the other games that were in that section?

I can confirm the Mayan, arts/sports evaluation comparative, womens' rights in the French(?) Revolution, & the "knowledge of everything in Science" RC section was real.

Also, yes the teddy bear & stress/debt LR(s)were real. Also I remember questions about ........crap literally can't remember anything right now jajaja. Just so glad it's over! My 3rd time taking it since Sept 2016. Happy to confirm LR sections if others post questions they remember.

My test was: LG - LR - LG - RC - LR. The last LR seemed easier than the first.

RUN. LIKE THE WIND.

@ @ Thanks! Was just reading what others have been doing over these few days too... should I use this PT to drill ?? Or do you recommend I drill old sections? Again, thanks!

#help but the stimulus doesn’t day the ONLY other thing to evaluate is how reasonable their arguments are. IT just says it’s ALSO important to consider. THats why I didn’t choose B, because there could have been many other factors that contribute to a good performance!

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I'll remember more as I think about it but at very least:

LR1 - moose and deer; modern usages of land measurement

LR2 - can’t remember

LR3 - bike sharing; meteorologists’ forecasts

RC1 - native language preservation; judges’ honesty; Freud/Marx; can’t remember the other

I thought the RC was unusually difficult, and L1 (for me) was harder than the other two. Not sure which was experimental.

I definitely did not have bike sharing /meteorologist LR.

It amazes me how you can remember all of that !!

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Hey @ did you have the jogger and dress code question as your second LR?

I had 3 LRs. Didn't have any jogger/dress code question tho, for sure.

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Had three LRs. First had one about perimeter lights and vandalism. Second had one re: cost of energy use in rooms. Third (I think) had one about an art critic and opera. Could very well be confusing the last one with the second, though.

i had 3 LRs as well. definitely had the one w/ the perimeter lights & vandalism.

i also had one abt deer & population in/decrease..anyone have that one too?

trying to think of other questions i had but it just all went to fast..

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Reviewing the same PT (64) as the other study group on Sundays @ 7 PM, is that intentional? Just wondering if there's a strategy there btwn the 2 groups that I'm not aware of and if it makes sense for me to attend both or not. Thanks! @

@ ah OK, that's real helpful, thanks. Yea my question was more so do you think it's worth it (to learn a whole new LG approach, whether 7sage or Man. Prep) given the amount of time I have until the Sept. '17 test. but from your "you will be missing very few" that kind of sold me on 7sage. I'm going to sign up for the LG curriculum now! Yea, PowerScore LG has not lead me to any type of success. Thanks!

@ awesome - thanks !!!!

Thanks, yall !!! @ Is it VERY quiet ???? I did my first PT with my current watch and the sound threw me off TOTALLY & I got one of the worst scores in months. Just want to double check, before I order, bc I'm now realizing how important that is !!!!!! @

Thanks !!!!!!

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Thanks yall, so much !! Extremely helpful clarification / confirmation.

One more question, if you don't mind - how do you know what the target amt of time is for each game (to know when you've 'fool proofed' it - in addition to feeling like you've mastered the game)? Is it just general & based upon difficulty level of the game? If so, what is the range (or max) for the difficulty levels? My best guess would be:

Easy 4-6 mins

Med 6-8 mins

Hard 8-10 mins

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Thanks !!!!

Thanks for this!

Is there a general sense of when the full explanations for this test will become available?

@ ah, that's helpful. you think it's worth it to learn MP's LG stuff for sept ?? i'm consistently PTing getting 0-2 wrong in LR sections, 2-4 in RC, but like, 5-12 wrong in LG..so, it's not like i really "know" much, lol.

I agree re: eschewing PowerScore. I used the bibles to start off my studying (then took a subsequent online course), but used the LSAT Trainer after the bible's and find the Trainer MUCH better. I had to un-learn a lot of PS's ways in LR (like, to read the stimulus BEFORE the question stem(??)). And I feel like it might have messed me up on Games, too, as someone pointed out earlier about their cumbersome diagramming practices. I don't have anything to compare it to, but I watch JY's vids & he seems to have a much better strategy (even tho I don't know how to do it, heh).

I just now bought the Manhattan Prep LG book (I believe MP & the Trainer are by the same person/people), but I'm scared to start it, as I'm registered for Sept & don't know if I can learn a whole new system in time after studying for a year+!!!

Oh yea last thing - Powerscore Reading Comp Bible is TRASH - throw it far, far away from you. Or just recycle it.

@ wow. when you say you "kept copies" of every LR & RC you got wrong, can you explain that a little more? did you print out new sheets? did you write on them? did you keep the ones when you choose the incorrect answer & Review those too? do you write the reasoning down on the questions? did you keep them in a folder or what ??

i do a lot of writing on LR/RC questions during my BR (A LOT), and I've thought about possibly keeping them for review but wasn't sure if that was realistic / how helpful that would be. would be good to know a little bit more about how you did it and your take. thanks!

Obviously the June test day has come and gone, and you've already decided (& acted on) what to do. For what it's worth, I 100% agree with postponing it - there's literally no reason not to. As someone earlier pointed out, "the LSAT is not something to be rushed."

And especially as a splitter - which is why I still wanted to make a comment. You said, "I'm afraid if I don't take the LSAT soon, it will affect my application because I only have a 3.3 UGPA." -- what does taking it sooner have to do with anything? If anything, it's better to take it later, since you'll be more removed from your UGPA. I have no clue when or if you've graduated, what your professional experience is etc., but NOT rushing your LSAT seems like the best thing to do.

Good luck!

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As a super splitter hearing all of this kind of sucks. The LSAT use to be the metric where people like me could make up lost ground. Now it seems the test is becoming almost diluted in a sense. I'm on the same boat as you. I want the status quo to hold this cycle purely for selfish reasons.

(by super splitter I mean 2.7 cumulative GPA, 4.0 degree gpa, and a roughly 169-170 LSAT)

very similar boat. although it 100% goes against my ideaology / vision for the future, i totally hope good LSAT scores remain as exclusive & unattainable as ever in this cycle, as i have put my everything into studying for this dang test over the last 2 yrs. love the term super splitter. i am working w/ a 3.1 gpa (graduated 4 yrs ago),a URM, and PTing around 165. can taste 170+ come september. i also am 1000% set on being accepted to (multiple) t14s, (& w/ money. well ..that part i am a little less than 1000% on lol). but i'm also an extremely positive person, but think (know) that that influences my generally good outcomes/achievements in life (motivates me to continue to work hard, etc.)

if schools did this in a actually truly helpful way, they would announce that they'll start accepting the GREs 3 or 5 yrs out. so people like us aren't stuck in this situation, AND so people w/ great GREs really have time to think thru theo decision of applying/going to law school.

but alas, we got this. we'll kick ass and one day will look back and this will all be..funny (somehow).