sorry another question regarding whether to cancel or not :(

I just finished the test today and I am sure that I screwed up one of the LG sections.

It's my first time taking LSAT and

My situation is :

I got

LG, LR, RC, LR, LG on test day

I know that I totally screwed up the first LG section, I am sure that I got at least -6 on it (I guessed 5 questions because I ran out of the time)

I did better at the second LG but still guessed 2-3 questions.

LG was supposed to be my best performing sections which I usually got a -0 or -1 on preptests, but I have no idea why I get stuck by some of the questions on test day, this is why I ran out of time :((( I felt terrible because I know that I underperformed today.

I can't figure out which one is the experiment section (both sections is fairly similar regarding the difficulty)... but I am sure that I underperformed in either LG sections...

I usually get -8 to -10 on LR and I felt like I would probably got the same result on today's test since I still ran out of my time and guessed for 3-4 questions in total.

RC is always my weakest section, but I felt I did okay on RC today, although I am still feeling like I was just using my gut to answers many of the questions and not really sure about all of them...

The reason that I am thinking about canceling is : I am pretty sure that I won't use this score to apply for law school because I am aiming for 165+, and I really don't feel like I could reach this goal on this test. Also, if the LG section I screwed up is the real one, then my score will highly likely to be very very low (140 ish or 150 ish !?), and I am really worry that it will give a bad impression to the law school that I apply to or they might average them !!!

The reason that I am thinking about keeping the score is : if I am really lucky, the LG section I screwed up is the experiment one, and I get lucky on LR and RC sections, there is still possibility I could score a 160+ or maybe even 165+(If I am extremely lucky lol). In addition, while I can already expect that I won't get a satisfying score, I really want to know exactly how I performed this time even if it is bad.

I already decided that I would definitely take the following September exam since I am ultimately aiming for a 170+, and I am really struggling now knowing that it is highly likely I won't get a satisfying score, while still want to know exactly how I performed ...

I appreciate a lot if someone could offer me some advices, thank you so so much !

Hello, the ultimate course offers LR drill packs at the end of the syllabus. Is there an overlap of questions between these drill packs and the problem sets? Or are they offered as a supplement to the problem sets for additional practice?

Hey All,

Quick question about your PTing procedure- how do you guys decide where to put your experimental section? I've been placing it randomly. Before I take a PT or look at which sections are which, I'll decide "okay, I'll take my experimental section 2nd, 3rd, last, etc." However, being that I always know which section is my experimental section, it hardly simulates testing conditions. There is inevitably a more "relaxed" approach to a section that I already foreknow is not going to be scored.

Thoughts on this? Also, does anyone know if there are any statistics determining how often the experimental section appears first, second, third, fourth or last?

Thanks!

Can someone point me to LSAT LR q's that are either necessary or sufficient questions types that list BOTH a necessary and sufficient answer choice?

I want to test my ability to distinguish between the two but am having a hard time finding the tricky q's that list both in the same question

So, I'm confused, what are we supposed to do with the Misc. Questions/LR Drills/LG Drills/PT 1-35 PT drills? There doesn't seem to be any defined instruction? Can I skip over those sections aside from the LG Drills (foolproofing) and go to the PTs? If it helps, I am writing in September (and most likely December)

Hi guys,

This is something I've sort of noticed with BR'ing a lot of logical reasoning - it seems that depending on the question type, an answer choice that is a conditional statement can SOMETIMES be a more unlikely contender. It seems to depend on question type.

For instance, sufficient assumption answer choices are usually phrased as conditional statements because, well, you're literally filling in a missing premise. However, that doesn't really seem to apply with necessary assumption, because you're looking for the critical assumption that would make the argument fall apart - and that usually isn't a conditional statement. I've also noticed people being wary of conditional statement answer choices when it's a weakening question: If we don't know that the sufficient triggers, how do we know it affects the argument?

So I guess my question is - I know to always be vigilant of exceptions, but are there indeed LR question types where seeing an answer choice that is phrased as a conditional statement makes you think "mmm unlikely"? And if so which ones? I don't see this as a "silver bullet" way of crossing things off, but I thought it would be useful to be wary. (Kind of like when I now come across a weakening question and read an AC that begins with "Some people..". Since some = a few = could be just one person, it's unlikely that "some" is strong enough to weaken the argument.)

Just trying to build my wariness/understanding! Thank you!

Hi guys,

What is your opinion on the optimal daily study schedule from now until the September LSAT? How many LR, RC, and LG sections per day and how many prep tests per week? Of course, review of the sections should be added into the daily schedule as well.

Same deal as Oldies but Goodies - just different title!

RC got you like this?

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Thanks to Josh (a.k.a @"Cant Get Right" ), we're going to work on changing that!

While Josh will continue to handle (primarily) LR from the old PTs, I'll now be hosting an RC-focused Oldies but Goodies, following Josh's PT schedule along the way. Eye-roll-inducing, artsy fartsy passages? Obnoxiously dull and dizzying science passages? Inference Questions? Obligatory GIFs?? Yes to all!!

If you're able, swing by after having already done the RC section of the week. We'll breakdown one or two passages, the respective answer choices, and strategies for expertly and efficiently moving through the section. Our sessions will always be best with input, so don't be afraid to chime in!

Let's make RC something to look forward to!

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Hey everyone, I was looking for some advice regarding writing a diversity statement. I wasn't originally going to write one, since I am a white, upper-middle class female who hasn't experienced too much hardship in my life for the most part. However, the admissions course includes: "you were or are burdened with an unusual responsibility" as a topic for diversity statements, and I was wondering if y'all believe my situation would apply:

Not to go into too much detail, but I was in a serious relationship with someone who struggled with a severe addiction disorder. It greatly affected my personal and professional life because I was primarily the only person who was there to take care of my partner. I'm just not sure if that admissions officers would see that experience the same as taking care of a sibling or parent with addiction. Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks in advance.

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Okay, you know i saw this as one of my options after exams ended in the middle of April, but i had the POWERSCORE BIBLES already so from the end of April till today i have been reading and doing some drills from there. Not a knock on the curriculum i certainly learned a lot, but i thought to extend my hours of interest into the LSAT i thought a better interactive experience a la 7Sage was needed.

Chiefly, I finished most of the Logical Reasoning book and got my first exposure to the Conditional Reasoning / and a bit of Formal Logic in that book, which was new to me. Interestingly, at this time I was also under the impression that i would drill the question types 1 by 1 (MBT, A, CBT, MP) (which i know now is not recommended, but i think i will do in the beginning for as much as i think is needed not to burn as much PTS)

In May, I then switched from that and tried to get my exposure to Logic Games and read through as much as i can--mind you i was trying to be ready for September 2017 {thank God for 7Sage's tip to not to take it within 3 months} Anyway, i signed up 2 days ago listened to webinars, heard the methods and philosophies and AM happy I decided to find out what this place was all about!!

Here is my situation I am still in the process of finishing my degree but my schedule allows me to only have to take one course in September, meaning i will have an excess of time to PT, and BR, but before then i want to drill and hone my skills using material from PTs 1-35

Currently, until middle of August I am also taking one other class, so essentially I HAVE a BOAT LOAD of time to dedicate and prepare for December, with a so-so knowledge of Logic Games and Logical Reasoning, just minimal drilling at this point, because i have been jumping between school and this.

Here is what i have:

-Time 7 days a week: maybe 2-4 hours max for school/ 2 or 3* a week

-I have all the 3 books of POWERSCORE LR: 70% done LG: 50% done {basic/adv ordering and Grouping} RC: 0%

-I have Mike Kim's LSAT trainer 2nd edition {i might save this for august or after i strenthen my base knowledge and mechanics}

*my goal is to power through and complete Powerscore and 7sage for the 2nd week of July}

I have all PTS 1-80, and also i have them grouped in booklets from POWERSCORE per section {LR,LG, RC}, / per type

From what i have gathered this is the best thing to to do in my beginning stages is to drill the foundations of every question type for LR through practice and BR using PT LR Questions 1-20, then 20-35 i would save until i have comfortably drilled RC and LG to do as an actual PT, rather individually.

For LG drill the foolproof method using PT 1-20 or up to 35

For RC i have no idea what to do here yet i haven't looked it up.

In any case, if i can get a veteran advice or even someone who was here a couple of months ago to suggest improvements to this plan. I am simply looking to see what people could say to someone who had 5 months to prep that already has a bit of the knowledge, and has lots of time. What to do, what not to do etc. {i have found looking at answers = bad, defeats BR} and grouping question types {but i'm new and need to build a base from there}. I would still say that i am early in my prep and just want to know where i should focus and prioritize i.e., LG over LR or vice versa. My goal is to be ready to PT by August, because in August i have 4 weeks to do only this before i start my one course and i want a perfect balance of purely PTing before December.

For example, If by august i am in PT mode should i PT + BR PTs 35-50AUGSEP; 50-65OCT; 65-80NOV / or 30-50AUGSEP; 50-80OCTNOV

Additionally, I was going to type out as much LR questions and give explanations for the rights and wrongs to get as much exposure to the structure of LR questions similarly as to what David did to earn his 170, coupled with PTing. Any specifics would be greatly appreciated, such as maybe only saving 10 or so for the last month Nov before the December 2nd 2017 test.

Regards,

Hey everyone,

So, I feel I'm at the stage right now at which so many top scorers find themselves at some point in their prep. In fact, maybe 2.5 months out is the typical time. You put off RC for the most part until now. You think "Ah, I got it. I can read. Besides, if I can become a stud at LG and LR, how hard can RC be"....and then RC punches you in the face.

I'm currently at -5/-6 untimed and my last two timed sections were -9 and -11. Very, very sad.

I've learned about the low resolution summary and high resolution summary, along with connecting back after each paragraph after paragraph one. It's a foolproof strategy. I love it. I want to master it. But I still have to sort out a few things until I find my RC comfort zone.

How much do you tend to write down in the margins? Right now I'm writing the low resolution summary and the purpose. I can't write the high resolution because frankly there isn't enough room. Should I write more, less? Thoughts?

How long does it take to learn to read like this? Let's face it, this isn't everyday reading and you are tested on things that aren't exactly central to whether or not you've comprehended the words on the page.

Do you actually remember every detail of the high resolution summary? After I finish reading the passage, I go down the margins and read the low resolution summary, I then ask myself "Why?" or "What?" and then expand...this reinforces all the finer points of the passage.

Any other tidbits you can share with me? I am desperate to get to a consistent -4 or less under timed conditions.

Thank you all so much for your input.

I've been reading through the 7sage admission course, and have reached the strange conclusion that I'm 1. more diverse/weird than I thought, and 2. I no longer know which diverse/weird part about myself should be relegated to the PS or the DS.

For the DS, I'm 100% a non-traditional student. I was primarily homeschooled (unschooled?... google it), but am also non-traditional in that I'm an older applicant. I'm only a few years above the "average" starting age for LS (26 when I would actually start), but am applying to LS as a career change. I got a master's in one field, have worked in that field for a few years, and want to get away from it. I know I need to address the career change in my application, but I'm not sure if a quarter-life career shift is more of DS topic, or a PS. I feel like I could finesse being homeschooled or doing a career change/being older could be a DS or PS.

Thoughts?

Hey guys quick question. I want to write a diversity statement on my occupation. For the past 3 years I have coached my highschool's debate team, started a coaching company, and coached a college team (volunteer). I want to tell schools that I will be actively involved in whatever form of debate they offer, even if it means coaching their undergrad teams/clubs.

Any ideas on how to structure this? Its a huge passion of mine and all over my resume, but wanted to give the admissions committee more information about the person I am.

Thanks

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Hey friends,

I was wondering if anyone either has experience or knows anyone who has founded their own firm right out of law school? I would go to TLS but I'm not really interested in hearing the backlash of all the biglaw-obsessed elitists that one finds there.

I have always had a love for criminal law that runs deep. I know that a popular starting point in criminal defense is with the local Defender Association or in the local DA's office. Politics are not exactly my thing as I'm very blunt and I will say what needs to be said. In addition, I want the opportunity to say 'no'. On the other hand, I don't want to have to control my zeal in the courtroom while defending my client because the witness whom I'm impeaching has a sister who's high up in the DA's office and I'll get fired if she doesn't like my brazen nature.

I understand I might not be eating too much for the first year or two but, well, this feels right to me. I understand there will be a while where I'm really just learning how to do the job at a high level and people may be more reluctant to want my representation being fresh out of law school until I have a reputation.

Hey everyone,

I'm wondering what people's opinions are for the LSAT Trainer. I hear a lot of people talk here about it being a complimentary book for 7Sage material, but I'm wondering how necessary it is. I've been using 7Sage for the past 7 months and planning to write in September. I utilize both the CC and also listen to all the webinars and read many of the blogs and discussion board comments here. With all that, I wonder if the LSAT Trainer is really going to add anything I haven't yet gleaned from the content available here. I mean if it is just one more thing to read to drive home some points I already know, or a slightly different way of looking at some questions, I wonder if it is worth the time and investment or if my time is better spent at this point just drilling and doing PTs and Blind Reviews till test day.

Any thoughts appreciated!

Hi guys! I wanted to get some clarification on the logic that makes this answer E rather than D.

The stem is that the argument relies on the assumption, but my current understanding is that neither answer accomplishes this, though E has more issues than D.

The correct answer, E, is saying that the argument /relies/ on the assumption that many of the farmers wouldn't grow green manure unless they abandon chemicals. I believe the argument is still in tact if this is false.

Even if this was untrue, meaning that few or none of the farmers will only grow green manure if they abandon chemicals, the argument could hold for a variety of other reasons. E's reasoning could justify the argument if true, but it also has the potential to not justify the conclusion if true. Just because the farmers won't grow manure without ditching chemicals, doesn't mean they will grow manure if they were to stop using chemicals. I think the test makers designated E as the correct answer with the thought process that "in order to significantly improve the soil structure," the soil must be "rejuvenated," and they /must/ be "rejuvenated" by growing manure, which relies on and will happen if chemical fertilizers are abandoned.

None of the steps in that logic sequence are supported by premises in the passage. "Significantly improving the soil structure" does not to rely on "rejuvenation." "Rejuvenation" does not rely on the growing of green manure. Abandoning chemical fertilizers doesn't guarantee that the green manure will be grown, not to mention that the diction of E states that the principle applies to "many" farmers while the passage refers to simply "farmers" which implies all farmers, or possibly a mere plurality of farmers (neither of which necessarily matches reliance on the actions of "many" farmers.)

D has inconsistencies as well, though fewer than E does, in my opinion.

In order to conclude that chemicals must be removed to increase soil quality, we must be certain that "farmers" not removing chemicals absolutely inhibits "significant improvement in soil structure." D purports that chemical fertilizers "will have destructive effect on soil structure of farm fields." It does not say that there's a chance it will or that it will contribute to destructive effects, but that it will cause destructive effects. If the /end/ effect of something is destructive, it has not shown significant improvement.

That said, if we are supposed to assume (an unfair assumption in my opinion) that the destructive effects are merely a contribution to the net structure of the soil, then the assumption that chemical fertilizers are disruptive is not necessary to conclude that farmers should ditch chemicals to significantly improve soil structure.

Now, I know the culmination of my thought processes lends to the idea that I may be merely overthinking/overanalyzing the text; I don't disagree. I follow the logic that leads one to select E, even though I think it's flawed logic.

I guess the real implication of my question is to find out where and how the line is drawn between relevant logical inconsistencies and their irrelevant counterparts. Unless the LSAC lays out exactly which factors can be considered for assessing logic, there will be an inherent gray area of subjectivity. I won't claim that this question falls in that gray area, but it must exist somewhere.

Any thoughts and opinions are welcome! Thanks for reading :)

This is what I would like to call my Achilles heel of reading comp. These questions destroy me about 50% of the time. I am here for guidance! What can I do to attack these questions better. How do I get inside the head of the author, and more importantly, what clues me into this in the RC passage? What are guide posts that I can look for to help me here?

I thought this was an interesting article and a good read so I wanted to share. It was great practice finding the premise(s) and the conclusion. Any thoughts about the SCOTUS' decision?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/how-the-supreme-court-gutted-a-historic-civil-rights-remedy.html

Does it matter if the bag has the ziploc or other company logo on it? Exam on Sunday so urgent!

Hey,

I was wondering if there were any people in the Chicago city area that would like to get together to be study buddies? Ideally it would be someone who is still going through the CC and wants to have and be a support system. We would all exchange resources, help each other gain insights to concepts, and overall work together to reaching our goals. Inbox me if you are interested.

Hi 7sagers,

I feel like I'm in a bit of pickle. My first choice for law school is the University of San Diego and they do not require any LOR's. I've been out of under grad for 5 years now so I'm wondering if I should even bother with getting a LOR at all? I have a GPA within the acceptance range and I'm shooting to score slightly higher than their average on the LSAT. Not sure if my GPA + LSAT score will be enough to get in if I can manage that above average score. Any suggestions? Also, I'm not exactly sharing with my employer the law school plans (since it would mean having to tell them that I would quit to start school - and if I don't get in I wouldn't want to hurt any chances of a raise or promotion in the meantime).

The first few nights after sitting for the LSAT, I dreamed of having absolutely bombed the exam. But my dreams more recently have been even worse. These days I dream that I got a super high score (last night a 179) and then as I start telling my family, I say to myself..."or did I dream that score last night?" Then I realize I didn't actually get my score back yet and I wake up in a panic. Has this happened to anyone else?

Hi guys! I wanted to field opinions on my course of action for preparing for the September LSAT.

I've been studying for a little bit under a month, and as of today have finished all 80 LG sections without time constraints. Now, I'm unsure whether I should immediately redo all 80 LG sections with full testing conditions, or if I should move on to something else and come back later.

I worry that I'll lose a lot of the skills I've accumulated if I put it off, but I also don't want to burn myself out on logic games early and potentially weaken my abilities closer to test time. If I were to put off LG, I'd probably move onto LR, but it's already my strongest section and I don't know how I should approach it. I've finished 6 sections of LR without studying as part of diagnostics, and I'm consistently getting -2/-3 per section with around 10 minutes to spare. Approaching LR from the basics is probably what I need to improve, but I have a feeling it's going to be a plateau for a very long time, and this raises concern regarding motivation.

RC is definitely where I need to improve the most, as I've gotten in the -5/-6 range in my diagnostic.

What do you guys think I should do next? I know this is a very specific situation, but I would be tremendously grateful for generic/anecdotal and specific tips alike :)