Hello guys,

Can someone please map out the logic of this argument and show how we can properly infer answer choice B? I am utterly confused :(

Thanks,

Kristen

Does anyone knows where I can get the list of In/Out games from PT41-80?

Thank you!:)

My biggest issue with logic games right now is timing, which I've had a lot of success in getting down for most game types. The one that I continue to struggle with are in/out games. I almost always get all of the questions correct, but in/out games will usually take me between 12-15 minutes to do.

I have an incredibly hard time making inferences in a timely manner with in/out games. Not so with other types, and I'm not sure why in/out is the biggest struggle for me. Identifying "not both" pairs has been a help, but does anyone have any suggestions or strategies or just advice on how to get things to start clicking with in/out? I've been drilling in/out games and will get it after a while but, that first take is always a difficult one.

I'm still trying to get through the CC currently, and I see the importance of mastering the inferences for the LG's. However, I also want to keep making progress as I'm still up in the air if I will be ready for June. Should I wait till I am done with the CC to start mastering the games, or do it as I go? Thanks!

I know how to strengthen and weaken correlation within a stimulus. However, my problem is that while under timed conditions, I somehow miss the correlation within the stimulus. Because of this, I miss most of these types of questions seeing as I do not approach how to strengthen or weaken the stimulus accordingly.

Can someone please be so kind to give me advise on exactly what to look for to instantly pick up on correlation within a stimulus???

Hey guys,

To give some background info for my prep, I had a 140 diagnostic and I studied full-time for about 2.5 years. I went through Tesmasters, Blueprint and 7sage curriculums and my highest score on file was a 160. There were a couple of untouched PTs i took in the 70s that were 163 and 166 but for the most part I would score in the low 160s or the high 150s for fresh preptests. I took all the exams, drilled problem areas and retook exams from the PT 50s to PT 70s multiple times over with inflated 170s scores and near to perfect BR score. I also drilled heavily in LG, doing virtually all the games multiple times.

Since I have used up all three takes, I'm pretty much resigned to just apply with the options I have but I wanted to know if I reached my score potential? I was originally aiming for T14 for BigLaw and other government job prospects but it seems it is out of reach due to my score.

Title says it all. I'm having trouble finding an answer through Google.

Hi Everyone, this is my second go around for taking the LSAT and I find myself taking a different approach this time around and would like to form a study group to support and help each other out through this journey. Perhaps motivate, inspire or to share tips and tricks that has worked for everyone to be successful in scoring will on the the upcoming LSAT. Please let me know and I will gladly get a Google Hangouts group started! I am located in Minnesota and would love to go through this journey with others who would like to bounce ideas, share what works or ask for help and get the support we all need to stay on track!

Hey Ya'll,

So it is official that my last day of work will be the end of the month! It has been a great 2 years and I've learned a lot, but sometime around the holidays I realized working crazy hours and the non-stop stress was hurting me from moving forward with my LSAT prep. I'll still be working part-time doing some random things, but I'll be able to kind of do those on my time frame.

So for those of you who study full-time, what does your daily schedule look like? I'm sure everyone's is different and possibly vary greatly, but I'm just looking for some ideas. I am kind of crazy and feel like I'd just study from like 9am-9pm and burnout. This is something I really want to avoid.

I'm aiming to take in September or December 17'. I'll admit that I'll postpone until I'm PT'ing consistently where I need to be. 174+

I was thinking something like this:

8am: Wake up, work out, shower, etc.

9am - 11am Prep (Not sure what at this point)

12pm-1pm: BREAK for lunch and just stay sane. I'm used to taking this time from work anyways.

2pm-5pm: Prep more.

I think after 5pm I'll take a break until 7pm or so and then maybe prep more.

I'm kind of lost because I've never really had a whole day that I can design myself and study when I want.

What do you guys think?

TYIA

Hey guys I'm new to the forums and love all the content!

Here's the short of it. I graduated from Rutgers with a middling GPA I worked for a year after at a non-profit and graduated from Seton Hall with a dual masters in diplomacy and MBA in supply chain. I've worked for a year on the Hill during that time and now work for a logistics firm. I want to go into trade or corp law and am worried that my undergrad GPA will affect my admission to a top school even though I graduated with honors from Seton Hall. I do community service, speak German, and have some decent connections. Would I essentially need to get in the mid 170s + to get into a top tier school? Thanks for any feedback guys!

-Will

I have some questions on how to make note taking and studying more efficient. (My apologies in advance for lack of tech lingo).

General: How do you incorporate tech into your study? I use Microsoft Word to take notes per question type and store my notes on iCloud for mobile review. I use quizlet for any concepts that may be drillable, that way I can have them in my pocket at all times. However, if I want to look at a specific question, I have to write down the questions location (25.3.20), put my notes below the location, then find either the hard copy of the question or use the question bank and look back and forth. Maybe I'm lazy, but I like to think my laziness inspires creativity and efficiency.

Specific: Related to the above, I am wondering if anyone has thought of a quicker, easier way to portably drill real lsat question besides cumbersome formatting and drilling on MW? There are some aspects of note taking that are much easier typing and others that are much easier with a pen. Does anyone know how I might get a digital copy of a question (any method that avoids scanning/printing) be able to type above and under it and write freely on the page (annotations, logic game boards) in a digital format, like with a bamboo digital writey thing or an iPad pro? I'm trying to find a digital, convenient, efficient, and portable way to jot down, review, and drill notes, with typing and free form writing next to/on real lsat questions. I really want to avoid difficult formatting (MW), inefficient drilling (MW), limited note taking ability (only typing), having to scan or print anything, or having to look back and forth from notes to question. I hope I'm making sense.

I apologize if this may sound like a stupid question but are there jobs for law graduates that pay six figures outside of BigLaw. Although unrelated, I was speaking with my 24 year old friend who is a compiler engineer making close 150k while working close to 40 hours a week and I was wondering if there was a equivalent job in Law that pays a similar amount for those hours.

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Hi!

So I have a pretty long commute (about three hours a day) and like to listen to things at my desk, so I fell into podcasts over the last two years. I have seen a few mentioned on the forums, but I thought I’d share some of my favs with you all! They have helped me take a genuine interest in studying and the topics we learn about. Oh and I know you all love categories so I did that as well and provided a brief summary. Some apply to multiple categories too. Sometimes I add things to my subscribed list but only listen to a few episodes so I felt that it disingenuous for me to talk about them, but I wanted to share anyways. BTW Overcast is the best podcast app. Without further ado, here are my tops. :)

Law

Criminal – complicated crimes and situations explained by victims, criminals, and bystanders

Life of the Law – legal applications and applying to everyday life

More Perfect – they’re on a break right now but this is the best one on the list IMO

The University of Chicago Law School Faculty Podcast – title is pretty self-explanatory, but they are just talks on legal topics by professors, scholars, and visiting attorneys

Serial – not spoiling this one. Listen to it!

Supreme Court Arguments – there are tons of them. Just search

Undisclosed – investigating wrongful convictions

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer – Legal applications to everyday life

Up and Vanished —re-investigates the disappearance of Tara Grinstead, a beauty queen and teacher from GA

Breakdown —season 2 is better than season 1. Follows Justin Ross Harris case (son died in his hot car)

Accused —re-investigates Beth Andes' murder

In the Dark — re-investigates Jacob Wetterling, currently in development for season 2

Sword and Scale—a lot like Criminal, but a lot darker

Social Sciences

This American Life – one of the best podcasts. Varying stories from different backgrounds haha idk how to describe this one because every episode is so different

Planet Money – business, economics, and stories about people and their hustle. Some legal topics as well here

The Daily – daily News from NYT

Stuff You Should Know – Title

NPR Politics – title

The Ezra Klein Show – I love Vox so and think they give great interviews and that’s what this is

Freakonomics Radio – essentially Planet Money but deeper in terms of financial topics

The Sporkful – Food! And the parallels between people and the things we eat

Pod Save America – only on episode two but loving this so far. It is about politics and the things people can do to affect change.

Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates – Oxford Style debates on political topics

How I Built This – Innovators, entrepreneurs, and their stories

Crimetown — currently one of my FAVORITES. Dissects the inner workings of the mob in Princeton, RI. Interviews actual mobsters and "wiseguys"

Beautiful/Anonymous —hosted by comedian Chris Gethard. 1-hour anonymous call, "no names, no holds barred." For those with voyeuristic tendencies (said affectionately)

Natural Sciences

Radiolab – this could go under social science too, but a lot of their topics fit here. I would highly recommend this one. One of the best on this list

Invisibilia – “The invisible forces” that guide our actions. Partly could go under social science as well.

Hidden Brain – similar to Invisibilia but deeper

99% Invisible – haven’t listened to more than one episode but it seems good. It would be disingenuous for me to talk about it. I actually just downloaded a few and will listen this week!

Stuff You Should Know – 50/50 split between natural and social sciences.

Skeptics Guide to the Universe – Science news, conspiracies, and controversies

Reveal —takes a critical/investigative look at contemporary issues

Embedded—combine Reveal and Invisibilia and you get Embedded

Humanities/Logic

You Are Not So Smart – best logic podcast I have found. They talk all about similar things to the lessons!

Lore – scary stories haha but they’re so good

Presidential – each episode is a different president, talking about their life story and what they did right and wrong as president

On Being – this is a philosophy podcast but I found it a little too boring for me after two episodes haha

Fresh Air – mostly about movies and actors, with some social science/political episodes sprinkled in. It is pretty good, just not for me

Unexplained —similar weekly episodes of creepy, unexplained events

Myths & Legends — title

Other – Trivia, Stories and Self-Help

Ask Me Another – hilarious trivia podcast. One of my favs on the list

Death, Sex & Money – It's so good, and not what you're expecting

GameOverGreggy Show – “Four sometimes five best friends gather around THIS TABLE. Each bringing a random topic of discussion for your amusement.” I listen to this almost every day haha

The School of Greatness – Inspiring stories from people ranging from athletes to actors

Mystery Show — it's cute

Magic Tavern — It's a really funny improv comedy podcast recorded from a medieval-esque tavern in an alternate universe called Foon.

The Joe Rogan Experience — Comedian Joe Rogan talks to an interviews a variety of people on different subjects.

I’ll stop now. Feel free to share yours too! This is by no means definitive and we all can learn from each other's tastes! :)

Hope this helps!

Edit: I will continually update this list to account for everyone's suggestions!

Edit 2: Updated again!

Hey hey!!

I've been AWOL for awhile. Anyway, I got a 5 point increase from what I scored in 2014. I could have done better, but I also could have done worse. So, that's life. I took the score increase and smiled knowing I rocked the games section and probably had nerves get to me more than I should have. Shout out to 7Sage for the advice, curriculum, momentum, ect. You guys are the best out there.

I decided to apply and see what happens and (as a result of a little Peace Corps stint) got all my applications fee waived. 18 schools later and I'm beginning to hear back. Thus far, I am waiting on about 12 schools. My top choices are still MIA. However, my bro said I should probably start to think about my top 2 options and get some opinions on them.

So, it's right now Iowa v. Boston College. VERY different locations. Iowa essentially offered me a full ride and BC offered me like 1/3rd. Initially I would have gone straight for Iowa, but BC has better placements in the Boston/NYC area (an area I'd prefer to be in long term). Iowa, however, could open some doors for me in Chicago which is a city I also really like and I am from very close by.

Background: I really am not into Big Law. My current interests are in advocacy law and public interest. The dream is to work for DOJ or state govt. but that may even be a reach as I'd be competing with HYS students. I'd also like to eventually maneuver into public policy work focused on children's rights. Short term, I could see myself starting in juvenile court. I'd be open to the private sector mainly working in family law dealing with adoptions/custody. But BL isn't my game.

All thoughts/opinions would be nice to hear. Thanks team :)

I use 10 Actual, Official books for PTs (photocopies), but sometimes there are not much room to write on for Logic Games. I know we actually have more room to write on the actual test. Should I practice with small room or should I use an extra sheet of paper?

I somehow have trouble printing recently uploaded e-docs on 7Sage.

Still trying to tease out the stimulus on this one. I don't understand what the two different DNA tests are or how they are confused or what the assumption is.

Premise: DNA tests can't distinguish among samples from different people. Samples A and B are both different, but test says they are both A.

Conclusion: You can't exonerate someone because their DNA did not match the DNA at the scene of the crime. Sample A did not match Sample X (crime scene), thus, one would expect A and B to be exonerated since they were both identified as A. Or that B would be exonerated anyways because the tests says his DNA is also A. But the author is saying, no, you cannot exonerate sample B because B was misidentified as A, so B could still be the assailant.

I was able to eliminate all the other answers. This is just one where I can't understand why AC B is correct. Let me know if I misunderstood the premises here.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-45-section-1-question-24/

Hey Guys,

I just got time and a half from the LSAT for a condition, but I thought that my test would be 4 parts. They list it as giving me the experimental section too. I thought that when you get accommodations that you don't get the experimental section. Does anybody know anything on this?

Thanks!

I am at the point where I can get 100 percent correct on LG with unlimited time, but still have trouble finishing all four within 35 minutes and usually end up bubbling in the last game at the end. I always am too nervous not to check wrong answer choices once I've come across an answer that I think is correct (assuming that the answer is not E), but I am worried that this is costing me precious time. I was wondering if people usually tend to move on once they've found a correct answer choice.

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Im going to make this quick for u guys. I took this past Feb LSAT, and I was very disappointed. Quick background- After finishing core curriculum, my first PT to last went around this- 157 159 157 161 162 161 167. As you can tell, I was very happy with my improvement. On the night of the LSAT, I couldn't sleep, went to bed around 2am and woke up at 5am. Couldnt go back to sleep after waking up. Ended up playing video games until it was time to take the test, which I took with 3 hours of sleep and had to supplement by chugging 3 cups of coffee before the test, giving me the jitters and some extra anxiety due to all the caffeine. Ended up getting a 157. Either way, now I am about to get a full time job but still have to retake the test in June because I can clearly do better. My question is first off, how much did getting 3 hours of sleep mixed with the extra anxiety of chugging coffee etc affect my score? Some people have told me heavily. And also with a little amount of study every week until June due to a full time job, will I still be able to perform close to my high score? I am so angry at this whole situation.

Any ideas on how to manage mental sharpness? I'm always trying to push through when I hit a wall... Otherwise, I exercise, rigorously practice cello, play games, meditate, or drink coffee... My mental capacity seems to be declining every time I tackle the study. Help.

Hey everyone!

So I currently work at Regent University School of Law admissions and I've heard some great things in the local area about grads from here and job placement. However, it is a very small, religious, private school which is unranked. Compared to other schools it is pretty young. Why are some schools like this not ranked? Has anyone heard anything negative about this school? The professors here are from mostly Ivy League schools and seem to be very solid.

I am applying to law school soon for the fall of 2018, so I have a bit of time to research and decide my path. I'm currently living in Virginia Beach and my husband is stationed here. We own a house so that's why I am more tempted to stay within the area. It would be ideal for me to be able to go to law school while he stays in the Navy for a few more years for financial reasons. I recently separated from active duty myself to pursue my educational goals. So my first choice is William and Mary because of the location and the community it's in. It seems that plenty of people are getting jobs around here from there and in DC, with pretty decent starting salaries. I'm seeing a trend of people who pretty much have unlimited geographical opportunities and while I wish I did also, I have my other half to think about too. I will apply to UVA, Duke, and Georgetown as well but they are all around three hours from my home. I am taking my LSAT in June, so of course this will determine what is realistic. The only thing that worries me is that I don't want to commit career suicide by choosing the wrong school.

Maybe this is a far too altruistic way of thinking in this line of work, but skills and personality have to account for something right? I still have no idea what kind of law I want to practice but I do know that I have confidence in myself to succeed at whatever school I go to and in whatever field I decide to pursue after. I am really looking for thoughts here and input. Thanks everyone.

-Nicole

Hey All,

I just took Preptest 2, Section 1 twice (once timed, once untimed) and BOTH TIMES got my butt kicked...even going through the correct answers now, I'm like "What?? How on earth is that correct?" Has anyone else taken this section and had a similar experience? Also, is anyone willing to take this section and maybe BR it together (post answers...because I have seen them)?

Thanks!