Just wanted to reach out and thank everyone who suggested that one should incorporate the LSAT Trainer as part of their studies.

I actually bought the book last year but didn't touch it until last week and I quickly realized how well put together this book really is. It's as if this book knows the mindset of the student and trains you exactly how to go about studying for this darn test. It builds upon each section slowly but picks up exactly when it should.

Mike, if you're ever around here and read this, just want to say that you're the Aristotle of the LSAT world. Or, the coach from that mighty ducks movie (ah I forgot his name). Simply put, you're a genius.

To anyone having second thoughts about picking this book, please do yourself a favour and buy this book. You'll not regret it. I double-triple promise.

Hi, I just took my PT 41 and analyzed my score. I have increased my PT score from 150 to 159 until PT 41. However, I am surprised to find my PT score dropping to 147 - which is 12 points drop from my last PT. I don't know if my score is improving or not... I feel like my skill is actually deteriorating. Any advice on how to improve my studying method? I usually do BR on LR section by writing explanation to each answer choice on Word document. For reading, I just redo the whole questions by giving me unlimited time.

Hi 7sagers,

I just wrote preptest 72, and experienced a -6 drop from my score on preptests 70 and 71. Aside from this, I have been experiencing an upward trend, with a fairly consistent score of 170. The scores that have deviated from this in the past are explainable in terms of hunger, poor sleep, etc. - conditions I am learning to eliminate and work through if necessary. That being said, there is nothing obvious that I can point to to explain the drop on this test. I was having some issues with focus, but nothing out of the ordinary. I am conscious that it could be due to an upward trend in difficulty on the newer tests, and perhaps the fact that I have only written 16 tests in total, so my reaction is to want to push myself and write as many as I can before June 6th. However, I don't want to overdo it and write too many because I have heard that it is best to take it relatively easy in the weeks prior to test day. I need to score 170+ on test day, or else I will need to rewrite. Can anyone offer any insight on how I should approach these next two weeks?

Thanks in advance.

Hey guys—saw this on Imgur today. Thought it might be helpful for y'all. And kinda pretty.

So, the 15 minute break is a time we can either rest and recharge for the final push, or just as easily, it's a time we can let our anxiety fester and boil. Having a 15 minute break plan can help maximize its potential benefits while minimizing its detriments. Since June is just a stone's throw away, I thought I'd share my strategy and see what others do.

So first the easy part. The snack. I keep it simple and natural. I have a banana and a clif bar. Then I have 8 oz of green tea which I make by shaking tea powder in a water bottle. Simple enough.

And of course, use the restroom.

The mental and emotional game is much more difficult. It's of course easier said than done, but don't dwell on the three sections that are behind you. If you've had two reading sections and one LR, then sure, make a mental note that you know you've got LR and Games coming at you, but don't think about your performance. It's done and there is nothing to be gained by giving it any thought while there is still more to come.

The other test takers can create either a positive or negative atmosphere, so feel free to disengage if you're getting a negative vibe. What I've found most useful is to steer the conversation towards prep. This keeps my thinking away from the test and directs it towards my awesome prep which, for every 7Sager, should be a point of pride and confidence. I'll talk about my LG drill system, my top PT scores, 7Sage, all the best things I've done to get to test day. This keeps me calm, confident, and focused. That's what you want going back in.

I really wish we could step outside and get some fresh air and sunshine.

Anybody else have 15 minute break tips?

Hi guys,

I recently retook the PT 71, which I originally took on October of last year. On my first take, I got a 159 but I didnt BR that exam. On this recent take I got a 169. With the exception of having some problems seeming familiar, the questions still felt new to me and the Reading Comprehension section of this particular pt seemed just as hard as when I first took it. How much do I discount my score considering it was a retake? Can I still use this PT as a measure that my skills have since increased?

Hi 7Sagers. Relatively new to this community, but I've been thankful for your help these past few months. :) Now that we're a couple weeks away from the June LSAT, do you have any tips for what to do? I've seen a lot of general "rest, relax, review but nothing too serious" advice but I was hoping for more of a specific day-to-day breakdown based on your past experience.

Thanks for your help! Happy studying, and best of luck to all of you. You'll kill it!

I obviously don't want to risk being late to my test center, but I don't want to be so early that I'm left pacing around with nothing but my thoughts and a gallon-sized Ziploc bag as that could lead to jitters. Past test-takers, how early do you think I should get to the test center?

Hello all,

I will be enrolling in the Ultimate package program in the coming weeks. What I'm concerned about however, is how long most ppl normally take to get through the 7Sage program with substantive results? Is 16 weeks enough time or will I need more?

In addition, I already have a copy of the LSAT Trainer and seem to have observed that there is a consensus in favor of the LR methods taught therein. Is it recommended to substitute the Trainers LR method for 7sage?

Hey guys,

I am taking the June LSAT in a couple of weeks and I am very close to perfecting my LR scores (around -3 or -2 each time, usually because I skip the last couple of parallel/parallel flaw questions to be able to pocket the faster points) and I have noticed that disagree questions have constantly been giving me trouble. 7sage has helped me improve pretty much every aspect of my LSAT studies but for some reason I just don't find the disagree lessons that helpful :/ can anyone give me any additional tips so that I can nip this in the bud before I take the real thing? Thanks in advance!

Hi again,

This question has probably already been asked but, what books do you guys recommend for people preparing for law school and why? Thanks a bunch! :)

Hey 7Sage crew! So I'm in the process of fool proofing the games...finally. However, I was planning on taking a PT next week and joining the BR group. Even if I'm not ready to PT, I still want the experience. That and I'm just itching to take another PT. Naturally, I went through my old PTs to see how I was doing roughly 2 months ago. I noticed something odd on one of the PTs. On that particular PT, I had an initial score of 152. However, my BR score was a 170. I went through my other PTs and noticed the same trend!

So, I'd like to hear from the LSAT docs. What's your prognosis?

I did also notice that my weakest sections were RC and LG. I'm guessing this huge discrepancy was likely caused by my inability to complete the entire RC and LG section.

I’ve drilled and drilled LG for the past 7 months. I have done nearly 700 LG games, 50 timed sections and really battled to get my LG score close to that coveted -0 or -1. I have not taken any LG sections in the 70s (saving these) and in the last 2 weeks I finally hit -0 on three separate timed LG sections from the early 50s. I felt confident and even finished those sections within 31-33 minutes. My scores prior to achieving the 3 perfect sections hovered around -2 for 3 months. I thought everything was going well. I would take a timed LG section one day, then drill 10 games from the 1-35 PT sets the next day. Today I took PT 39’s LG section and scored an astonishing 11/23. For some perspective, I scored 12/23 untimed during my initial diagnostic last August… I am not necessarily shocked, because I didn’t feel the sense of being “in control” of the games in the PT 39 set, but cannot put my finger on why. Doing well on this test requires honesty with oneself. Eluding the truth about one’s weaknesses is of no virtue. 11/23 doesn’t define my abilities on LG, but points to something systemic that is terribly wrong. If I was really approaching true mastery of the games, I feel as though my "bad days" wouldn't be this terrible. My sense is that when a game doesn’t flow well or doesn’t fit some sort of pattern I have come across before, I stumble and make silly mistakes. Has anyone else experienced this? I take Saturdays and Sundays off completely, so I don’t attribute this to burnout, I wake up excited to prep and learn each day. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.

-Thank You

Edit: spelling error

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-28-section-1-question-09/

If this question were a Must Be True type and an answer choice said “Most people think the government policy is not one of appeasement,” would that be something that must be true?

My understanding of the stimulus is that there is some room for the people to disagree with the “assessment” but not necessarily disagree with the conclusion of the political commentators. Furthermore, the author’s conclusion that “this view” is mistaken, seems to suggest that the view of the political commentators is not proper. Assessment and view seem to encompass the idea of reasoning as well as just simply truth value, i.e. a conclusion. All of this is to say that the disagreement might well be over reasoning to reach the conclusion by the political commentators, rather than their conclusion itself.

Reading the stimulus in this way doesn’t prevent the flaw from being described as it is in this flaw question, because it is wrong to use what most people think as a premise in this circumstance.

Just wondering if reading the “this view,” “mistaken,” and “assessment” as leaving room for the issue to be one of reasoning rather than outcome is correct.

Hey all,

I'm very interested in joining the 7Sage prep course (possibly premuim but due to financial constraints, I think I'm leaning towards Starter) for the December 2016 LSAT but I noticed something that really bugged me - the video explanations for the 10 exams include 7 exams that are extremely difficult to obtain...I searched everywhere and the cheapest PT's I found were the ones posted here (almost $200!!!) I guess my question is: since I can't get 7/10 PT's, should I even bother with buying the prep course?? :(

Hope to see everyone Sunday to rise up and kick a little ass!

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I know it might sound obvious but I want to know your take on the fact that when a question states "If J in two..." we can take J2 at the very least as a CBT; I write them down in corner of my paper so they might come handy in answering rest of question and sometimes they helped eliminating answer choices in other questions in games from bundle (PT 1-35).

Do you think writing them down is a wise use of time? Have you seen such instances in recent games or this just happens in old games?

I'm at the point where if I get any wrong with LGs, it's almost never due to a misunderstanding on the game itself - consistently -0 through -3.

Upon BR, I am 100% on LGs without question (and capable of easily showing it), but my problem is that with this section because it's as visibly deductive as it is, I have a lot of confidence as I go through so I don't have the same luxury of knowing which to spend extra time at the end checking like in RC and LR.

Does anyone have a good method for quickly checking correct answers or knowing which to check by their nature with time left over at the end of the game to minimize these types of mistakes - given that I'm always understanding the game itself quite well?

https://copyright.lib.utexas.edu/copypol2.html

The requirements could easily be met to satisfy Fair Use prerequisites.

Seems to me all we need to say is that we aren't taking the tests, but reviewing them for educational and learning objectives.

Hi guys! Sorry for the redundant post but a few weeks ago I saw pinned on here (maybe at the top?) a compiled list of recommendations on where to buy prep tests. I can't seem to find it now. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? Thanks!

Hello,

I am new to LSAT, but have a dream of being a lawyer. I have bought the LSAT Bibles, and will be buying the 7Sage starter program. I am just confused on where to start? I have read that people have used the Bibles and 7sage together? How? I am needing about a 10-15 point increase from my diagnostic. I will be sitting for the September test. Which approach should I use? Does 7Sage map out a study plan? I am sorry for all the questions, I am just a bit lost right now.

I know that the Logic Games Bundle doesn't appear anymore on 7sage but where can I go purchase them? Do I have to get LSATs 1-35 and do it that way?

Hi, there! I'm what some universities call a "mature student". I have a full time job, I have two small kids, a house to take care of. So my "free" time, even before deciding to take the LSAT, is close to nothing. Main point is: I need to make sure the time I actually have to study is used very effectively.

I've been watching all the lessons, but, at this point, I'm questioning if all the logic lessons are worthy it. I like them (in what now feels like a previous time, I briefly went to "Math School", so I really like numbers, logic and all that), I understand them and I even see how I can apply them to solve LR questions IF I don't have the time limitation imposed by the LSAT. Maybe if I were able to take and retake the tests a hundred times I would start to see all that "structure" coming naturally, but I don't. I barely have one hour a day to study, including the weekends.

Adding to my doubts, I took a LR session this week in a more relaxed, go with my guts way. Results were not great (they never are for me at this point), but they were much better than when I try to highlight the conclusion, identify the premises, do some logic "board" and so on.

Conclusion: I'm not sure if I should keep investing my time in watching the logic lessons or if I should skip to another part of the curriculum, or maybe just take test after test.

I would love to "hear" your opinion. I guess my other, more direct question is: if you had just one hour a day until your test (I'm taking the September one), how would you use your time?

Thank you in advance! :-)

Hi all

I searched the forum and turned up some posts about new problem sets from about a year ago, so my apologies if this question is answered elsewhere.

First, I was wondering if there was a way/would it be beneficial to know the supposed difficulty of problem sets before we take them. I understand that the difficulty increases from the first to last problem set of a section, but is it possible, for example, to know that problem set #3 out of 10 is on average a "medium" difficulty? I would like to be know that without having to open up the answer key. Or perhaps there is a reason we only see the relative difficulty after taking the set?

Second, how is the difficulty ranking in the question bank determined? I remember seeing something about it being the results from 7Sage members. How is that data gathered and is it a good indication of general difficulty?

Thanks!

Hello all, I am taking the June LSAT and I was looking for any advice on reading comp? It's the only section that I can't get consistently good at. Usually I do well on LR and LG but RC keeps me out of the 170s. Thanks in advance for the help!