This was my first LSAT, my goal was 175, I ended up getting 177, and I am beyond happy! I couldn't have done it without 7sage's LG guides.

For people who are curious, my diagnostic was somewhere around 162-166, timed. My worst section at first by far was LG.

I studied intensely around 1.5 to 2 months, took a 1 month break, then spent 1 month doing a few practice tests a week. Prior to the test, my PT score average was around 175.

To study, I used the LSAT Trainer and 7sage for LG. I later also bought ACE The LSAT Logic Games book for practice (I didn't use the techniques, I just did the games for warmup and practice). I started with the LSAT Trainer techniques, then changed my LG techniques to 7sage's after.

Also, the Blind Review sessions hosted by JY are invaluable. Make sure you go to those for at least one practice test; I went to almost all the sessions for PT 78, and it helped so much even though it was right before the actual test date. I didn't realize how little I understood about each answer choice until I had to explain it to other people.

Thanks again 7sage, you guys are the best, and you probably helped me get into my dream law school!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-30-section-4-question-15/

Hi guys,

Is there an error in this question? There is a historical LSAT question that I am...disagreeing with: PT30-S4-Q15. PSA.

The question, rewrote, consists of:

P1: Too large or too small of class size is bad.

P2: Very light or very heavy faculty work load is also bad

C: Crowded classes and overworked faculties are bad.

In general, I feel the argument's conclusion is valid. "Large class size", reference to "crowded classes" ,and "heavy faculty workload", reference to "overworked faculties", are both bad.

What is wrong with just taking 50％ from each premise and concluding something from it?

However, above this, I see another gating point, which is the answer.

The correct answer is "very small class sizes or very light workload" are also bad. While, I feel that, in order to arrive at this premise as a needed one, we need to have something like "if the school's both class room and faculty workload is at medium level, then it is good". Right?

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

Panda

Hi all,

After looking through the UGPA/LSAT score search feature on LSAC, I am discouraged that even with a hypothetical 180, my GPA brings my chances of getting into the top schools down significantly.

Is it true that a high LSAT cannot compensate for a lower than average (based on school) GPA?

I know, I know, another cheesy THX7SAGE post. BUT! I want to share my story since I'm NOT one of the people aiming to get into a T14 school, to let you know that it is okay to be THRILLED with less than a 170 (no offense to everyone who worked their booty patooty off to get to a 170, hat's off to you, seriously). Here goes....

Last May, I decided I wanted to be a lawyer. I bought a GIANT Kaplan book and began reading it during my lunch breaks. I remember thinking to myself, "Gosh almighty, this book is boring, and large, but if I can just get through it the LSAT will be mine!!!" I sporadically studied during the summer. In August, I got called to go with the Red Cross down to Louisiana to help with the flood relief for 2 weeks. I still had approx. 1/3 of the book left, and the September test was fast approaching. I brought the book with me hoping to study, but with 12 hour days and staying in a staff shelter sleeping on cots, there wasn't any 'quiet' time to do so. I returned home with the same amount of the book left and only 2 weeks to the test. I forced myself to finish the book and thought that was it!! And.....I sat for the September test and made a 153.

I honestly thought that it was a good score (it certainly isn't horrible), but went to talk to a professor at my school of choice who advised me to re-take in December to get at least a 157 to truly be competitive. So, I did a bunch of online research and found 7sage (Almost fell for the $1,000+ Kaplan online course LOL). I studied as much as I could. During this time, I was also working 40+ hours a week, and several personal things were going on that sometimes made it hard to concentrate, and made me want to give up entirely. But, I did not. And here I am to tell you that in December I got a 159. I am competitive for my school. And I am thrilled.

So, new 7sagers, here's to you. If I can improve by 6 points in the most stressful months of my life, working 40+ a week, you can too. If you have more than 3 months, are not working 40+ a week, and are not stressed, just IMAGINE the possibilities! Everyone is different and learns at a different rate, but keep at it. Work the program (now I sound like I'm at AA lol). I believe in you, you are in an incredibly supportive community, and most importantly, you are capable.

Much love, and so THANKFUL to be done with this test!! (One day you'll be done, too!)

I just want to say a huge thanks to JY, Dillon, and everyone in the 7Sage community and share my story.

When I started studying for the LSAT at the end of June, I'd been out of school for six years and just a couple of weeks out of the end of a serious relationship. The entire prospect of applying for law school (and studying for the LSAT) was really daunting and intimidating.

I signed up for the Ultimate course with the intention of studying pretty much full time (ended up doing some odd jobs for a couple of months and doing some stuff on the side when I wasn't studying) to take the exam in September. As September approached I wasn't where I wanted to be, and after consulting with folks on these forums, decided to wait until December. I did a total of 16 timed PTs with BR (not including my diagnostic, which was a 157). By test day my average was a 164, with a high score of 170 (only once). I also watched many of the webinars.

I took a PT the Monday before test day and scored a 160 (one of my lowest). I took the rest of the week off, kind of resigned to not being able to reach my goal of 170, but did the best I could to get myself in a good head space before Test Day.

On test day things felt really good - better than any of the PTs I'd taken over the previous months. I was just in a great place mentally and came away feeling good about the whole thing.

Tonight I got my score back and scored a 170! I'm so happy and relieved to be done with this test.

For anyone who is intimidated at any point in this process, don't give in or let your discouragement last long - you can do it! Work your way through the curriculum, take your PTs under timed conditions, BR honestly so you're learning from each take, fool proof the games to the best of your ability, and turn to this community frequently as you assess what's working for you and what isn't. If there's anything I can do to help others down this path, don't hesitate to ask!

I also want to especially thank @Cant_Get_Right, @montaha.rizeq and @Alex_Divine for being so active and positive on these message boards while I was going through this.

Hi everyone, pretty new to 7Sage, it's my first time using it, so can anybody kindly let me know where I can find the practice tests? I already did some prior studying on the test, and want to take a practice one to see where I stand and what I need to work on. Can someone let me know where to I can find them? Thanks in advance.

Hello all, first off congrats to those of you who took the Dec LSAT, goal score or not (for me it was not), it took bravery and is another step towards law school!

As hinted above, my score was well below my goal, and also way below what I was recently averaging. I’m taking a different approach to the February test, which will hopefully allow me to score at my potential.

All that being said, two of my schools have a deadline of application before I even take the next LSAT. Cornell and U of Michigan to be specific, cite that they wont necessarily turn down apps beyond the closing date, but that availability will be extremely limited. I hear this, and I am ready to do what I have to in terms of trying for my best score and maybe postponing a cycle if it comes to that.

The question I’m left with though is how to proceed right now. Should I submit my app, which with my current score wont even be a consideration, with an email saying that I plan to sit again for Feb. 2017, and request that be waited for, while acknowledging that space will be on availability only? Or, do I wait to get my next score, and see where things go from there.

As always, thanks to this community for all of its support.

First of all, congratulations to everyone who took the December 2016 LSAT..for taking it alone you are so brave and I admire you all so much. So many people got the score they deserved (for those in this category Yay!!) and some didn't (for those in this category, you are not a failure or dumb or stupid), so please do not beat yourself up...the good news is you can retake and improve vastly from your last score.

You are all entitiled to take a break, even if it is just for a day...and when you return, this community will still and always be here for you.

My break recommendation:

1) Eat lots of chocolate (who can ever go wrong with chocolate)

2) Drink lots of wine or whatever drink you prefer

3) Sleep (Catch up on all the lost hours of sleep)

4) Binge watch a show (All those shows you put aside till after the LSAT..this is the time)

5) Go outside and breathe in clean air, and just take a walk

6) Read books (Nothing LSAT related...for just one day at least)

7) Do something that makes you happy (If it's LSAT related...do the second best thing that makes you happy)

8) Play (video) games or whatever game you are into

Just take some time off to recharge, and when you think you are in a better place...return to the tackle the LSAT with a stronger zeal and a peace of mind. This journey is not an easy one, but there will come a time when you become that attorney you've always wanted to be and the LSAT will be a thing of the past. Once again, congratulations to every single one of you...I'm so encouraged and proud of this community :)

I think some of us could use some inspiration ;)

This was my first time taking the LSAT and I scored a 160. It's not what I hoped, but I know I wasn't ready. I missed 26 questions but twelve of them were LG. So, if this was your second or third time, I'd love to hear how you improved! Thankfully, I had already planned on sitting out this cycle. I don't plan on retaking until my average is at or above a 171. So please, if you improved, let me know - and tell me how you did it!

XOXO

Hi There everyone. I will be taking the February LSAT. Usually LSAC publishes the PAST LSAC for purchase before the New LSAT. So for example the December Exam would be available for purchase before you take the February LSAT. I just called LSAC and they said because the time interval between December and February is so close that they dont have time to publish before the February Exam.

Admin edit: Please review our forum rules. Posting licensed LSAC materials (PTs / PDFs containing LSAC questions / screenshots showing LSAT questions) is against our TOS and LSAC's TOS.

So I'm not happy with my December score and average a much higher score than I received....reason I messed up was I hardly got 2 hours of sleep night before so my eyes were liter ly closing on the most important test ever... now question is can I submit an app without an lsat and is that an advantage over waiting to send when lsat comes.... or is this evenpossible ? Please help

I feel like this is a dumb question but I'm just curious. If you guys have unanswered questions when taking a prep test, are you guys guessing? Say you have 2 mins left and have 3 unanswered questions, are you guys leaving them blank? I leave them blank in order to get an accurate diagnostic. Just wondering what others are doing. I know for the actual test it's best to just guess if you have questions remaining, but what about our preps?

Just got my score back and im elated. Thanks 7 Sage for helping me exceed my target score on my retake. Paid subscription ends tomorrow, but I'll still be around.

I did not. Details can be found elsewhere on 7Sage regarding test center issue, but I basically knew it affected me on one section.

I missed more on that section than on the other three combined. As a result, I am 5 points from simulated test average with a score that is an outlier among my last fifteen. Cruised through three of four sections with time to spare and on pace for my goal, then fell two points short of my minimum satisfaction threshold.

Also, screw the University of South Carolina test center and their test director.

I am very uninformed about the entire process, and I would appreciate any help or suggestions.

I deferred admissions last fall at the in-state flagship where I currently work in secondary education. I received a small scholarship to a school that is ranked around 90, but the dominant school in the state I am 75-80% likely to practice. My December score only improved 3 points, but I am now nine points higher than their 75th, though below their 50th in GPA. However, I have a good story since undergrad and the ability to tell it well. I do not know if they will offer more with the marginal improvement.

I was accepted early admissions last month to a neighboring flagship ranked around 35. They are the second strongest school in the state where I reside, physically closer to the city where I would most like to live than the in-state school, and obviously stronger in 49 other states. Due to a childhood move from current state, I lived there for public middle and high school, college (at a small religious school), and even my first job. None of my family currently lives there.

My score is 2-3 points higher than their 75th, but GPA is right at their 25th. They claim "holistic admissions", and GPA minus one semester jumps substantially, plus I have heard it's much easier to find high GPA than high test admits.

Should I be able to at least negotiate in-state tuition? If so, how do I go about doing so?

I appreciate any guidance. I made a couple of misteps early on due to finding 7Sage late, and lack access to an undergrad advisor or anyone close to me who was been through anything similar.

December was my first LSAT attempt and although I did not meet my target score I'm pretty pumped about the fact that I have scored 0 wrong in the RC which has always been my worst section ever (scoring nearly 10-14 wrongs). I totally bombed my LG section which was to be expected given that I literally guessed last two of the four game sets but I'm still happy that I can improve on RC with practice!!!

I'm not done with my LSAT journey yet but would like to thank 7 Sage members for all their encouragement and support :) Love you guys and happy 2017!!

I decided to apply to law school late last summer, so I had to learn the LSAT on a short schedule from early August - December 4th.

However, I now know that I did not study enough to hit my target score (172 or above). Therefore, I will be retaking in June and shifting my applications to the next cycle.

Final Score: 169 (I took in Asia.. no details other than my raw score are available at this point)

Problems:

- Adjusting for vacations, studied for about 14 weeks total

- Did not address fundamental weakness in Logic Games

- Failed to fall asleep before test day, resulting in 3 hours of sleep the night before the test

- On test day, I felt ill from nerves and lack of sleep

- Bombed LG and was forced to blindly guess on at least 6 questions

Upside:

- Did not give up during the test

- Resisted urges to cancel score

- Probably performed very well on LR and RC

- I know to take a sleep aid the next "night before"

Overall, this is the score I deserved. When I walked out of December, I was 90% sure I wanted to cancel, but now I'm glad I have a real score on my record. I can do a post-mortem and figure out how I reacted to real test conditions.

Thanks to everyone at 7sage for supporting me during the early stages of my (now ongoing) studying :)

For the question, "Have you ever been subject to academic warning, probation or suspension at a school, college, university or other educational institution?" is that talking about academic related issues after high school? I was suspended in high school for uploading some pictures online. I tagged one guy's name in the pictures(like what people do on Facebook) and I didn't get his consent so his family threatened to sue the school if the school didn't punish me even though I took down pictures with him in it when he asked me to(or according to this student friends, the school punished me on their own because the student "didn't ask" the school to punish me). The school accused me of putting the student "in danger" which I thought was ridiculous because people tag other people in online pictures all the time. Most importantly, I did not get any criminal charges for this.

With this context, would I have to disclose this?

Am a big fan of knowing that on RC questions there is always specific, identifiable evidence for why an answer choice is right/wrong. However, I am struggling on this question.

Question: ""The passage suggests that Dworkin would be most likely to agree with which one of the following statements?"

I chose B:

"Judges should not use their moral intuition when it conflicts with the intentions of those legislators who authored the law being interpreted."

Because of lines 7-11:

"their own moral convictions, even if this means ignoring the letter of the law and the legal precedents for its interpretation. Dworkin regards this as an impermissible form of judicial activism that arrogates to judges powers properly reserved for legislators."

The passage clearly states Dworkin thinks judges should not override legislators by applying their own moral intuition. Why is this not captured in choice B?

I understand that E is something Dworkin would agree with given that legal positivists don't accept moral guides whereas Dworkin suggests they play a role in law.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-2-passage-4-passage/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-2-passage-4-questions/

I couldn't have done it without you, 7Sage. I love you all!

To my fellow 7sagers and LSAT warriors,

I would like to share my story prior to scores being released with the hopes of encouraging anyone who scores below their target.

First, if you happen to get a low score don’t worry about it, it’s not the end of the world. Do not spend the day beating yourself up over it. This is an incredibly hard test. The LSAT is probably the hardest thing I’ve ever undertaken in my life.

I decided I wanted to become an attorney way back in 2011. I had zero academic skills or knowledge when I began my journey. I mean ZERO. I don’t even have a high school diploma. I’ve failed countless times since then however every time I failed I paused, figured out what I did wrong, fixed it and kept going. I now have a BA in PSCI.

If a stranger would have come up to me and tell me that in 17 years I would be a combat veteran with a degree and hopes for law school I would have laughed in their face and called them insane.

The point I am trying to make is that if you are unhappy with your score don’t get upset and don’t worry, it is not the end of the world.

If you decide that you must put off applying, do not let, that upset you too much. Any thing good in life takes time, hard work, and dedication. I am 33 yrs old, and am 90% sure that I’m going to have to retake. I doubt I will start l1 until I am 34.

I would like to share some advice given to my by my former plt. Commander who now owns his own firm and argued in front of the 9th circuit as a law student. He told me that I will face many obstacles and setbacks. However, when that happens I need to step back, do an AAR, figure out what I did wrong, learn from it, don’t dwell on it and move on.

I just thought I would do my best to encourage everyone here that no matter how hard or bad it gets, DON’T QUIT!! NEVER GIVE UP!

I sincerely hope all of you receive great news today or tomorrow. I have enjoyed reading all the posts here at 7sage. Thank you for reading my jumbled incoherent attempt at encouragement!

-Paul Pederson

(JY, Dillon, and the rest of 7sage staff, you all are amazing. I can not thank you enough for what you have done and continue to do with 7sage and LSAT prep. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.)

For some strange reason, I find myself preforming better on passages that have less questions (5-6), regardless of difficulty. I use the same methods for all passages.

Has anyone noticed this?

Can someone give me some pointers that may help me do better with passages with more questions?

Hello, 7Sage. I took the September test, and the December test (My score dropped for the December test :( ), and I'm planning for another retake by June or September. My account expires in about three days, and I'm interested in buying the PT 79 Explanation to extend my account, but it seems like the explanation is not up yet. Should I go ahead and just extend my account and not wait for the explanation? Thanks so much!

Hello,

I took the December LSAT. For the top school that I want to attend, my LSAT score is within the range of scores admitted to their school and my GPA is above their MEDIAN. During my practice test, I had an obnoxious proctor(https://classic.7sage.com/forums/discussion/9671/my-nerves-got-to-me-for-the-first-section#latest) which resulted in me having a nervous break down during the first section. For like ten minutes, I was on the same question over and over again. Fortunately, I recovered and the other four sections I did well on. I was hoping the first section was the experimental but it was not, in fact, had the first section been the experimental and the third section been real, my score would have been astronomically better. Due to this, I have registered to take the Feb LSAT. I am continuing to practice and am confident my score this time around will be better than in December. However, my top choice sent me an email saying that put my application on hold since i am retaking the lsat in February. Feb LSAT scores wont be returned into March and I am afraid that if I wait to long, it will be harder to get in. Should i take the application off hold and have them evaluate me now? My score is below their median but within range and my GPA is above their median.

7Sagers,

On Tuesday, January 10th, at 9 p.m. EST, I’ll answer all your last-minute application questions. Still trying to figure out your diversity statement? Can’t decide whether you should send a “Why X” essay? Wondering whether to contact the admissions department about the slip-up? In the mood to feel schadenfreude about other people’s catastrophes? Come on over.

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