I have used 7sage off and on for the last 4 years. I wanted to come back here after Sept test and post this but didn't get time until now.

I scored 171 in Sept and went -0 in both LR sections. This happened after multiple takes and persistent effort. My diagnostic was around 130. I missed out on a high 170s score mainly due to virus game.

Just wanted to say that I benefited much from being on 7sage and discussions with other preppers on its forum. It was a great experience and 7sage was an indispensable resource.

It may seem impossible sometimes, and it may take long to get to your desired score range but know that it can be done. So those of you who find it hard to improve, it's important to remember that it will come as long as you keep trying.

Hi there,

I was wondering what do you guys do with questions that you had made a mistake?

Do you write down the question so that you review it later?

What kind of method do you do?

I took the December LSAT and am waiting for my scores but I'm worried I didn't do quite as well as I hoped. Is there any precedent for applying with the December scores but taking the February test and sending updated scores? A lot of schools won't have made final decisions by the time those scores come out in late February.

Thanks!

if I purchase the starter pack at $179, and I upgrade the course, does it just extend the length of the course or do I also get the extra PT explanations of the Premium stuff?

The argument breakdown is as follows:

P1: Surgical procedures differ in one important aspect from medicinal drugs.

P2: This one important aspect is that a correctly prescribed drug depends for its effectiveness only on the drug's composition, while the effectiveness of even the most appropriate surgical procedure is transparently related to the skills of the surgeon who uses it.

C: The proposal to extend clinical trials to new surgical procedures should not be implemented.

So we are looking for the flawed reasoning. I was able to eliminate B, C, and E, but my worry is that I also eliminated A (the correct answer) and chose D, not because I liked D, but by POE.

Would someone be willing to explain to me why A is the correct answer? The argument is saying that the extension should not happen, and it seems that A would only add a premise, rather than constitute a flaw. Is the flaw because the stimulus only mentions one important point at which they differ, and A is pointing out a second important point?

(Also, on a side note, has anyone ever come across a flawed reasoning question where the answer was "the argument is flawed because they didn't cite any scientific evidence"? I am usually quick to eliminate these because, logically speaking, an argument works with the evidence it is given and draws conclusions from that. Sometimes they are terrible conclusions, but regardless, one does not need scientific evidence to validate a terrible argument. If we are speaking scientifically, empirical evidence is clearly important. But, for our purposes, I just don't see how a lack of scientific evidence can ever be the logical flaw in an argument. I chose D for this answer, already suspecting it was wrong, but I did so by POE. Any thoughts on this?)

Thanks!

Hey All,

I need some advice regarding a sort of inconvenient situation. I work 9:30-5:30 everyday in Manhattan, but I live on the outskirts of Manhattan, which means I am spending an hour and a half on the train each way every day.

That's about 3 hours a day on the train. Yes. I know.

I spend a majority of that time reviewing LSAT materials, in addition to whatever I can get in at work during my lunch break. But I never feel like I've gotten enough review in (if it's even possible to feel that way...). Mostly because the train during rush hour is not the most conducive environment for intensive LSAT review. I do what I can, but studying for hour increments, spread throughout the day does not exactly give me enough time to hit my optimal level of engagement with the material. So I clearly need to figure something out...

(Weekends are also mainly dedicated to review, as well as certain week nights. More on this below)

Now to the exercise part. I am sitting for 8 hours a day at work and another 3 hours on the train. I am an decently active person, so physical exercise is important to me. My hobby is rock climbing, so I do a lot of indoor rock climbing to keep my body engaged. Its mentally exciting as well as physically challenging, so I see it as a psychological release as well. I do some occasional yoga as well.

Okay so now back to the timing issue... considering I get home around 7:30pm, going to work out basically takes up the rest of my night. I'll end up getting home at 9:30pm and then...well...there's that early AM train I have to catch so I have to get to bed shortly after.

I'm willing to give up rock climbing during my LSAT prep if it's going to benefit me (I will cry every step of the way...but I will do it). My question is...will it? Physical exercise seems to be a common thread among top scorers and that's where I am aiming. I also don't climb everyday- I usually dedicate 2 weeknights to climbing and then a couple hours on Saturdays. It sort of comes down to what will benefit me more and I'm honestly not sure. I've considered other forms of "quicker" exercise like taking up running, but the idea of that makes me cringe (clearly not a runner...) and I don't see how that would give me significantly more time to study. Plus there's the whole "mental release" benefit to doing something I actually enjoy...

I should also follow up with the fact that the time I do put into study has been immensely productive. My understanding of the material has grown significantly. My contention is more because I know that I have the capacity to be learning more than I currently am (because of my limited time), so that is frustrating. All that to say, I could technically just keep doing what I'm doing and probably hit my goal score eventually...but I know I can hit it a lot quicker if I didn't have so many time constraints.

So I guess I'm just asking for cost benefit analyses. How important is physical exercise in your prep and do you foresee any catastrophic consequences if I decide to fully embrace the sedentary life? Do you think it's likely that the extra time will benefit me more than exercise?

Thanks in advance :)

hey guys,

Im planning on taking the June lsat. I want to do lsat practice tests 51-81 by the test, and will spend time studying, but I have a concern. If I need to take the september lsat because my June score was not what I want, how will I study for September? I will have taken lsats 51-81 by then lol. Like how would I study for the september lsat?

Hey guys, so one of the schools I'm applying to has an optional section called disadvantage addendum and the prompt says "Please describe the socio-economic disadvantages you have overcome." How long should these be? What sorts of things are included in this? I'd appreciate any feedback. thanks!

Can someone elaborate on Why E is incorrect?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-3-question-17/

I read in the past in some 180er's blog that he used to do a LG section before each PT to warm up. So I started doing that. 1 section of LG, usually an old one, about an hour before starting my PT (to simulate waiting in the test center to start).

Now I read on a discussion here (not naming names, but @Sami says that she warms up with 3 sections before each PT (1 LR, 1 LG, 1 RC). I was really surprised, hence this post. I would honestly try warming up with 3 sections before each PT, but I find I get a headache during the 3/4th section and I am pretty beat by the end of the 5th. I don't know if I could handle more than that. You think it is just a stamina thing that I need to work on? How much do you all warm up? And what are you with/without warming up PT scores? Noticeable difference? Especially @Sami , I'd like to hear how you go about doing a PT run. Any comments appreciated!

Here's my problem: I'm moving at an insanely slow pace through the 7Sage material. How slow? I'm taking at least four times longer than the time estimates on most sections. And often much, much longer than that.

Some context: I got a mid 150s diagnostic with a clear weakness in LG. I'm scheduled for the June sitting.

The source of my problem is two fold:

(1) I'm taking crazy copious notes. I'll watch every substantive video at least twice, pausing frequently, to transcribe the content on paper in my own words. I'll print out any written material and read through with a pen and highlighter before watching a video.

(2) I'm not moving on until I'm absolutely confident with the material (LR so far). I do drills from the Cambridge books on relevant material (MP/MSS questions so far) and blind review most questions. I take forever! I have taken upwards of 30 minutes to review my thought process on one question. If you do the math, this means that some days I will have reviewed as little as 10 questions, including the time it takes to initially test myself and to watch the 7Sage videos / read discussions after my self review.

Is it normal for studying to move this slowly? If not, what should I change?

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the LSAT and was wondering if someone could confirm which sections on the 7Sage Syllabus are for Logic Games. To my untrained eyes it looks like the syllabus introduces Logic Games, and then goes back to Logical Reasoning.

Specially, are there any games sections without the word "games" in the title?

Namely, anything other than:

- Introduction to Logic Games & Sequencing Games

- Sequencing Games with a Twist

- Introduction to Grouping Games: The In-Out Games

- Grouping Games

- Grouping Games with a Chart

- Grouping and Sequencing Games

Hoping to study *just* games over the next 2 weeks and wanted to know which sections/videos to try cover.

Thanks so much, everyone!

Happy holidays.

Hey Y'all

I just started 7sage for the Feb 5 test and the lessons i have learnt are absolutely fantastic.

i am very excited about learning blind review and i hope it will work for me.

I just feel like a bit of regret that didn't use 7sage before and this is holding me down and it has induced fear in me that i will not do as well as i want to due to the short period of time i have before the Feb exam.

JYs method for blind review is pretty much circle questions that you are not sure about while PTing and then answer them after you do the test.

What I do is instead of going through ONLY those circled questions, I gloss through the entire test because for instance there are many questions where I am confident in the right answer but not exactly sure why a wrong answer is wrong or something, and im not trying to deliberate mid timed test whether or not i have a valid enough reason to circle this question later. Is going through the entire test a good way of BR? I am assuming JY doesnt mention doing this simply because it takes way more time rather than simply going through the circled answers.

Hey guys,

To those who have been confused about the evaluation process around writing Dec (or previous LSAT) and potentially writing Feb (or future LSAT), I may have some answers for you.

Personally, I just wrote the December exam. But, I have indicated on OLSAS (Ontario Law School Application Service) that I will also be writing in Feb. I see it purely as another chance to improve my mark, whatever that may be, from the Dec. exam. If I am set on fall 2017 admissions, it won't hurt to try and get a higher mark, and let's face it, there is always room for a higher mark.

My dilemma was this: I would hate to be rejected on the basis of my Dec. score when I might be able to improve for Feb. I worried that schools may open my app prior to Feb, and base their decision solely on my Dec. score b/c my application would be considered complete. (Ottawa... you suck)

On the other hand, I would also hate to miss the opportunity to be accepted if my app is not evaluated until late Feb. That is, if the schools see that my application is "complete" but that I have indicated I will be writing in Feb, they may put my app on hold and therefore, not make any decision until early March.

WELL folks, if anyone was in this boat, which I know some of you were... I hope the following info on ONTARIO law schools helps. Here are the answers I obtained after calling the following schools:

1) Ottawa University - Application evaluated once opened. If there is a previous LSAT score on file, they will NOT consider future plans to re-write, even if indicated on OLSAS. (e.g. Feb. exam). ... BOO!

2) Western University - If you have a previous strong mark and they are happy with the rest of your app, they will not wait until Feb. Admission will be offered. If mark on file not strong, they will hold off and re-evaluate once Feb. mark comes in.

3) Osgoode Hall - Same as above. If you have a previous strong mark and they are happy with the rest of your app, they will not wait until Feb. Admission will be offered. If mark on file not strong, they will hold off and re-evaluate once Feb. mark comes in.

4) Queens - Left emails, voicemails. Away for holidays.

*Update* - "We will not decline applicants, based on LSAT, until after the February results. If a new score is posted that make you competitive, you will be considered then."

5) UofT - Left emails, voicemails. Away for holidays.

*Update* - Application put on HOLD if indicated on OLSAS that you are writing at a later date.

6) Windsor - Left email. --- *EDIT* @LSAT04164 has advised Windsor does not accept Feb scores. December last date accepted.

*Did not apply to Thunder Bay.

Hi all-

7sage newbie here and plan on sitting for the June LSAT. I will purchase my 7sage bundle within the next week or two and start studying January 9th. Have not yet taken a diagnostic test yet to see where I am in that respect. Nonetheless, still in school, will be working approximately 20-ish hours a week at the law firm I work at, in addition to 12 units at school (trying to take a lighter semester). Was originally planning on going for the Ultimate+, but once I utilized the study schedule, I was intimidated by the amount of hours per week it calls for. Looking for advice on whether I should just hold on for the most stressful next 6 months of my life and do Ultimate+ or any other thoughts on the matter at hand. Thanks in advance!

I recently received my academic summary report from LSAC, and it seems that LSAC counted a zero-credit course that I failed (long story) into my grade. Is this intentional? If so, how do they factor it in? If not, how can I get this corrected?

Thanks 7Sage!

Happy Holidays!

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Alright, so a fun topic here but do any of you guys have tattoos? A self promise I made was that I would get my first the moment I made it to law school, and my last when I graduated. Anyway, I assume that the law profession could care less about tattoos so long as you have them in places where they are hidden (back, shoulder, chest, etc). Is that standard practice? Do any of you guys have any that are not in places where they are perfectly hidden?

Also, you guys can get the mocking out of the way, I want to get the "justice is blind" tattoo either on my shoulder or back.

The question above, and do law schools care if you have an absence? I had mine three years ago.

Also, how often do tests cycle out? My last test score was in February of 2013 and December of 2012 was my absence. Am I clear and have three retakes?

I just finished a rough draft of my personal statement. Curious if anyone would be willing to look it over and give me some critique. Thank you!

I start to use POE on timed section on RC. I get most choices wrong(haven't done RC for a long time).I really speed up when I use POE. Is that normal at early stage? I previously use POE on some LRs. I only finish 20% of the CC(LOL). I take Manhattan online course , which is intensive. Some of their RC methods are useful. I know it's hard to apply top 20 law school with a 170+ LSAT with my extremely low GPA. Areas and reputation is important for an international job seeker like me. I consider to practice in HK and US. I would retake in June(in U.S. or Hong Kong) since my OPT(internship for international student) is approaching. I want to know what stage I was in even though Feb LSAT is unsupported by many folks.

My basic strategy is to drill LGs while identify weak type of LRs. I time each RC passage for 8 minutes. I hope that I can be ready for PT in mid-January(at least 5). Any suggestion would be appreciated.

I enjoy doing LSAT while it brings mental challenge/pains. I'm lucky to have parent's support and they came to Seattle for Christmas and new year. I like 7sage community.

Anyway, happy Holiday!!

Hey 7sagers,

So I took the December LSAT and it went okay, but I know I probably didn't reach my goal. I'm registered for February, took a week or so off and have been studying again now. So my 7sage membership was almost up and I decided to upgrade to Ultimate. Ultimate is amazing, I'm happy with my decision the problem sets are awesome. I was done all the CC before but now that I have ultimate I'm only 65% done and have to finish the new PSs. I've been working on them but of course they're time consuming to do and properly BR, so I haven't been able to do any new prep tests. What do you guys think I should do...prep test while still completing the new PSs, or finish them all first then start my prep tests again. It's almost January! Where has the time gone I'm starting to panic a little right now. Any advice would be appreciated!

Oh and HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

Happy Holidays!

We're on break for this Saturday December, 24th and so we'll be doing PT 53 next week.

Here's the updated schedule https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=aWw1aWEzYTRkbWdoaDZsa3U3YjBsaDBlZDBAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ

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So I just finished the Nicole Hopkins webinar on RC and felt like a lot of it made sense. But as I try to work through an RC passage on my own using her method, I'm finding that so much seems unclear. I decided to use the first passage of my most recent PT (PT54). Below is a run down of what I annotated and where I ran into problems. I'm hoping I can figure this method out because it seems helpful, but ultimately the method so far seems to leave me with more questions than answers. If I constantly need to second guess and wonder if I'm correctly annotating everything then I will only be wasting time that I could otherwise be using to answer questions.

So the first thing I annotate is the very first word of the passage which is "The Internet". I box and tail the "The internet" with the tail being the explanation of what the internet is in order to show it's a what. Next, I square "Internet Users" on line 3 to show who. Here is where I find my first unknown. Do I need to [bracket] the "throughout the world" found on line 4 to show a where? Next I bracket line 5's "national and other political borders" because borders are technically places. Not totally sure if that should be bracketed. Finally the last thing I annotate in paragraph one is the "borders" found on the last line of the paragraph line 9. I bracket this once again because borders are technically places.

The first sentence of paragraph 2 seems like it should have some type of annotation but I can't decide so I move on to line 12 where I circle "presupposes" to indicate when. On line 13 I carrot "But" to show a pivot. "Borders" on line 15 gets a bracket again. Next on line 16 I square "government" to signify who. The next annotation comes on line 19 where I carrot the "But". That is the last annotation I give for paragraph two even though it feels like I've missed something between line 20 and 29.

Paragraph 3 opens with a box and tail around "legal domain" and the words that follow to indicate a what. On line 33 I bracket "country" again to show where but I feel unsure if this is right. This is done again with "country" on line 34. Line 39 receives a carrot to indicate a pivot with the word "but". Now here is where I get really confused. Line 43 contains the word "Norway". Does this receive a bracket to indicate where or does this receive a box because we're talking about Norway as an actor or agent? I have the same issue with "Brazil" on line 44 and 45. Line 45 receives a Q in the margin to indicate the question asked. Line 48 receives a carrot to indicate the pivot word "otherwise". "Country" on line 49 receives yet another bracket to show where but again I am unsure of this being correct.

Paragraph 4's first annotation comes on line 53 and 54 where I box "electronic communication" and underline what follows to indicate what electronic communication is. "French" on line 57 gets squared in order to indicate a who and then Canada and Japan both receive brackets to on line 59 to indicate where. Lastly I put a Q in the margins of line 59 so that I can indicate a question was asked.

When I had finished all of this I was unsure if I did things correctly and felt that I definitely missed things. I decided to go to the first question and only then did I realize that I was so focused on annotating that I didn't really read the passage. Because I read looking for things to annotation, I ended up having no idea what I actually had just read. Is there a resource, link, or place where I can view properly annotated passages done by others? I don't want to give up on this method after one try but I just don't see how I could annotate everything correctly in under 4 minutes.