Do people usually have applications done and ready before taking their LSAT exam and then wait until they get their scores back to submit or how does the process go? I know submitting as soon as you can is best considering a lot of schools do rolling but could you technically submit your application before you get your score? Or to take it a step further, can you submit an application even though you plan to take the test a second time and just update the school?

Is there a template or general format available to model your resume after?

I had originally planned on applying this fall, but due to LSAT taking more time than I originally anticipated, I've decided to just send applications next year instead. However, my letters of recommendation have been submitted by my professors on LSAC. Is there an expiration date on the letters? Will I be able to submit them when I apply next year, or will I have to request them again from my writers?

Hi everyone! If anyone has some better insight as to why (E) is the correct answer I would greatly appreciate it! I see why (E) would be the right answer but I also believe (C) could be a correct answer. The only issue with (C) that I do see is possibly the word "many" but that's about it.

I recognize the phenomenon begging for the explanation would be the fact that even though the number of students who enter as chemistry majors and the job prospects but number of people earning chemistry degrees has declined.

Thanks again!

Hey y'all—

As you know, I'm a big LSAT nerd. I love LSAT and I love LSATters. 7sage is a huge part of my life. Some of my most important contacts and favorite buddies have come through this forum. So, I'm looking for a way to give back ... and to give you what you want. Or rather, to ask you what you want, and then figure out a way to give it to you (or to find someone who can!).

To that end, I wanted to open up 7sage's own TRL (Total Request Live, for those of you who may have blocked out the glory that was Carson Daly from 1998-2008).

7sage Total Request Live

—What topics do you want to read about (in longer form)? Articles, opinion pieces, success stories ...

—Got ideas for infographics?

—Want pretty printable charts/cheat-sheets?

—Other categories not yet imagined??

Open season on requests/brainstorming. Rock me like a hurricane.

You can post your requests in the comments here, or feel free to PM me if you'd like to remain somewhat incognito :D

What is the difference and any insight here? I have looked around but have not been able to find much.

This question went completely over my head and I still don't understand why the correct answer is (C) for all the tea in China. If someone could please explain this question it would be greatly appreciated!

Perhaps some insight to these questions in general. These use to be my best question types until I hit PTs in the 70s...

Thanks!

I am the kind of person who starts to lose sleep the moment there is some pressure (even knowing i have a PT coming up consists as pressure). Is there anyone like this who has found ways to dealing with these sleep issues? my biggest problem is waking up earlier than i should causing me to only sleep about 5 hours

Is there a way to notify the forum that someone has posted a question from one of the course sections, without flooding the forums? I've seen people question whether anybody actually views the posts throughout the course if they don't get responses to their questions. Just wondering if there's some way to notify the forum, just as some questions posted the the forums are "bumped" to the top if not answered? It seems that once the course has been completed people generally do not go back to the questions posted throughout the course. Any questions are then posted in the forums. When I'm bored at work I often browse the forums just as I do social media and chime in here or there. It's just more "visual." More eyes are viewing the forums than are viewing the questions posted throughout the course, so maybe better chances of a question being answered in the forums. I've seen mentors and admins reply to questions but of course you guys have lives and can't click on every lesson in the course everyday to make sure questions have been answered.

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Given the LG section tests efficient use of time to accurately complete all four games within 35 minutes, what criteria do you use (if any) to determine when to template hypothetical diagrams (or not)?

An observation not judgement: JY in his videos tends to err toward mapping out possibilities early, which can recover time later on via more rapid answering of the questions. Equally important, the process tends to systemically reveal deeper inferences - absolutely critical to LG success.

On the other hand, there exists some point of negative returns on time invested. Too many hypotheticals take more time, can add clutter rather than clarity, and in the end not all were necessary. An alternative is to build hypotheticals "on the fly" specific to each question, and thereby build understanding along the way.

Clearly arguable trade-offs exist, but also for each LG (examined in hindsight) an optimal path. So my question to everyone (since we are not armed with hindsight) going into a new LG: What is your criteria and, most importantly, for each criterion what is your reasoning for doing so?

Do you think we will get our scores back before Christmas?

Hi everyone, I have just began the process of filling out my online applications on the LSAC website. Does anyone know if there is a way for us to obtain a copy of our driving records? I have had a few speeding tickets over the years but I don't think any of them are over 10 mph but I would like to verify prior to filling out the character & fitness portion of the applications. Thanks in advance for any guidance.

On most of my prep tests I've been getting nearly perfect LG scores, over average RC, but I continuously do pretty bad on LR. I usually get -10 to -12 and it's breaking down my confidence considering how well I do on the other sections. How can I improve on LR? I'm trying to go back over the sections I do worse on (SA and flaw), but it's not really helping.

Hey guys I was at the Active Reading Webinar last night and I typed up a bunch of notes for people who couldn't attend. I had to leave early for work so I didn't get everything but here are the notes I was able to get. Also thank you to Corey, David and the entire 7sage staff for arranging these webinars because they were extremely helpful and I look forward to being on another one tonight.

Active Reading Webinar Notes:

1. What is the Goal of Active Reading: The process of absorbing, contemplating, and engaging with a stimulus or passage to be able to better understand and predict answer choices

• If you learn to do this well it cuts down on the time it takes to find the answers correctly

• Want to make the test emotional because it offers a connection between you and the test and makes taking one an intuitive process rather than just a test. If you make it emotional while reading then you can remember easier. Emotional memories will go into long-term memories rather than just short term.

2. How do you do Actively Read:

• READ SLOWLY & TAKE BREAKS: Although this may seem counterintuitive by reading slowly and taking breaks at the end of certain sentences you avoid the “What the Hell did I just read” syndrome. Take the time up front to make sure you understand each sentence and how it fits in with the stimulus

i. This is done while you’re reading and again before you go to the answer choices

• Work on Pre-phrasing/anticipating the answer choices:

i. A common misconception is that you can’t anticipate the answer choices in certain types of questions or in RC but this is wrong

1. Even if your pre-phrase is wrong by doing this step you’re engaging with the material more, making an emotional connection and will be able to remember it more clearly

ii. You can only pre-phrase an answer if you understood what you read which was why you need to slow down and understand what you read

• Think of this active reading like setting up your game board in logic games:

i. We’ve learned to “spend the time upfront and reap the rewards later” with LG, why not apply that to LR and RC

1. Spend time pre-phrasing anticipating answer choices (i.e. making inferences) with LR

ii. With RC the passage is your game board and your job is to be able to eliminate unnecessary material and be able to locate what you need

1. Take pleasure in the fact that everything you need to answer a question in RC is in front of you on the page

• Approach reading everything on the test like a friend who you know lies to you:

i. If someone in real life said a bad argument you’d call them out on it rather than just ignore it, by rushing through and trying to get to an answer choice you give their crappy argument credibility

3. What should I specifically look for to actively Read:

• Strength of words: Important because you need to see how the strength of the passage/stimulus relates to the strength of the answer

i. Conditional indicators/operators: “if, unless, must, etc.

ii. “Most, some, all”: These make eliminating answer choices easier because you know it’s out of the scope, this needs to match what was said in the stimulus

iii. Ex: For a MBT Question: If the stimulus says some drugs help with headaches and an answer choice says all drugs help with headaches we know that it is too strong an answer choice

• Group Descriptors: How they’re describing the comparison between 2 groups

i. Ask yourself “what do we know”

ii. Do we assume that everything is the same or are there differences between the 2 groups

• Correlational phrases and causation phrases: Can help you see the overall flow of the passage and further engage yourself

i. These are helpful because they can help you zero in on a conclusion

4. Know that when you first start this it will take a long time but will slowly become faster almost like a computer program:

• On the webinar we saw one question take over 8 minutes to explain but when he did it in real-time and explained it, it took just over 2 minutes

June 2007 Test Examples:

Note that you can use whatever “system of notation” you like, the main point is to understand why he marked those words and the process at which he used to read and get the correct answer choices

Section 2 Question 15:

15. A new government policy has been developed to avoid many serious cases of influenza. This goal will be accomplished by the annual vaccination of high-risk individuals: everyone 65 and older as well as anyone with a chronic disease that might cause them to experience complications from the influenza virus. Each year’s vaccination will protect only against the strain of the influenza virus deemed most likely to be prevalent that year, so every year it will be necessary for all high-risk individuals to receive a vaccine for a different strain of the virus.

Which one of the following is an assumption that

would allow the conclusion above to be properly drawn?

Marks we made:

1. Circle “Many serious cases”: Defines the parameters of what we’re talking about (strength of words)

a. Could help eliminate an answer if it said “All cases…”

2. Underline influenza: That’s what the subject of the cases are

a. Answer choice could refer to a different disease

3. Dash at the end of the first sentence: “Stop sign that breaks up the stimulus”

a. Allows me to pause and comprehend what I just read before moving on

4. Circle high risk: Describes the individual

a. Bracket the definition they give of high risk (may be useful and breaks up text visually)

5. Circle “only against”: Strong word (strength of word)

6. Underline “most likely”: Strong word (strength of word)

7. Dash after year: This is our premise and enforces the fact that I understand this is the premise

a. “Each year’s vaccination will protect only against the strain of the influenza virus deemed most likely to be prevalent that year”

b. What do we takeaway from this:

i. Vaccine protects only against 1 strain

ii. The strain that is most prevalent that year

8. Underline “so”: Conclusion indicator

a. You need to be actively engaging and ripping apart their conclusion

b. Conclusion: “every year it will be necessary for all high-risk individuals to receive a vaccine for a different strain of the virus.”

c. Stop and compare premise to conclusion

i. High-risk: Used in both the same way

ii. Strain of virus: Used differently

1. P: Most common strain

2. Different strain each year

9. Pre-phrase: “The strain that is most prevalent every year is different, not a continual one strain”

10. Navigate Answer choices and choose D

Section 2 Question 17:

17. Hospital executive: At a recent conference on nonprofit management, several computer experts maintained that the most significant threat faced by large institutions such as universities and hospitals is unauthorized access to confidential data. In light of this testimony, we should make the protection of our clients’ confidentiality our highest priority.

Steps:

1. Read who is saying this: “Hospital executive”, sometimes it seems unnecessary but other times it can help you build an emotional connection to an answer

2. Circle Non-profit management: Relevant subject of the conference

3. Underline “most significant”: Strong phrase (strength of word)

4. Underline “access to confidential date”: States what the problem is

5. Circle “should”: conclusion indicator

6. Underline “highest priority”: Strong phrase (strength of word)

7. Label premise: “Several computer experts maintained that the most significant threat faced by large institutions and hospitals is unauthorized access to confidential data”

8. Label conclusion: “We should make the protection of our clients’ confidentiality our highest priority”

9. Stop and think about this: “At a hospital what should my highest priority be”

a. Shouldn’t it be my health and not confidentiality?

b. Yet computer experts are saying the most significant threat is my confidentiality therefore we’re going to make it our highest priority

c. Is this enough to warrant this?

d. Better yet should we be taking advice from computer experts?

e. If this were real life you would call them out on this in a heartbeat.

10. Takeaway: If you have a prescripted conclusion you need to try and understand why they’re saying what they’re saying

a. “Should”: Makes this a prescripted conclusion

i. Why are you telling me that this is best for me?

ii. After looking at this at a laser focused level we can see the absurdity when computer experts give advice on the most important priority in a hospital to doctors

11. With that in mind we can easily find that answer choice B is correct

1) Should I let both of my recommenders be evaluators too?

2) If I like my December score and decide to apply this cycle with that score, would the June test be too late to negotiate scholarships?

Admin's note: Thread hijacking! I'm turning this thread into the Official Dec. LSAT Discussion. Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the December '15 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "Question 4 was odd" or "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC.

Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

One exception is you can say which section was the experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about December's LSAT!

Have fun discussing!

So far we've found out:

Real RC - 27 Questions:

– Gender Studies/Women in Rome

– Black National Theater

– Corporate Crime/Punishment

– Lamarack Theory

Real LG - 23 Questions:

– Concerts

– Pottery

– Office

– Committees

Real LR - 25 & 26 Questions:

– Waste Management

– Dolphins/Elephants

– Amber

– Ships in the Ocean

– Lemurs

– Psychic Girl

– Honeybees

– Vaccine X

– Gold Mines

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@dj768083724's original post:

Going to go with LR with question about elephant seals and dolphins experimental.

(Read Dillon's post and think this should be ok to say, sorry in advance if it is not)

Is it better to blind review immediately after, or at least on the same day as, taking a full PT as opposed to say the next day? While I like to give the questions a fresh look after some rest, I feel as though I may be undermining the process in some way by doing it like that. Of course this includes not looking at the answers until the full BR is done.

Hey all,

Are LSAT prep and law school applications tax deductible? IE books, 7sage course, lsat test, application fees, etc.

So the first semester of my senior year just ended. I was originally going to have my apps in about a month ago, but I had to switch one of my LOR references. I just finished finals, so my grades for the semester come out in less than a week. Should I wait to submit my apps until I have my new transcripts sent in to LSAC? I already have my transcripts in, just not with this most recent semester's grades on them. My GPA will probably jump like .02... lol... Basically I'm asking if waiting to submit my apps will be worth the time (like a week total) I will lose before I apply? Everyone's always empasizing that you should get your apps in early because schools work on a rolling basis... what do you guys think?

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There will be a recording available later this weekend. Instructions for obtaining it will follow.

Hey y'all,

I'm gettin' all gussied up to run this here Blind Review workshop for y'all. Here's a preview:

Here's what you need to do:

1) You'll need to click the link once I put it in here (that will not occur until 6:30PM CENTRAL—as in Texas—time). Once the link is live, I will edit this post and change the title. You will also need to install the GoToMeeting app: http://support.citrixonline.com/en_US/Meeting/help_files/G2M010002?Title=Download+GoToMeeting

2) If you haven't already, go ahead and do the first LR section of the June 2007 PT. If you don't have that, click here: http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/prep/freesampletest/section-2

3) Go ahead and read through the [free] sections on Blind Review, either in the 7sage course (find it by clicking "Course --> Syllabus") or here: http://classic.7sage.com/the-blind-review-how-to-correctly-prep-for-lsat-part-1/

Think about your questions. I (and your fellow 7sage students) will be ready to answer them. Come ready to do some real work :D

When it comes to CAUSATION strengthening and CAUSATION weakening questions, I know how to do them, but I have a hard time determining if causation is in the conclusion, which is needed to approach these questions correctly.

Can some please tell me what to toll for in order to do the correct?

So I took the December LSAT. I have taken the LSAT twice before, in undergrad when I thought I was ready to go to law school. It ended up not working out for me at the time (family related issues). I was expecting a pretty good score, I've been taking PT's in the mid to high 160's. But on this test I missed 2 games and would be hopeful for a 160. I don't think I would be putting my best foot forward with whatever score I got. But I do want to apply this year, I have been out of college for 3 years and feel like it is time to go back. Any advice on whether I should cross my fingers with this score or cancel and take the Feb. test?

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Hello,

For some odd reason, I am having trouble with mastering sufficient assumption questions, despite watching explanation videos. However, I tend to perform very well on necessary assumption questions--it seems much easier to me. Do any have advice or tips or strategies that help get SA questions right consistently. I'm tired of skipping over SA questions because they hurt my score :(