hi there,

i have a question about diagramming the following stimulus: "all too many weaklings are also cowards, and few cowards fail to be fools. thus there must be at least one person who is both a weakling and a fool." the question asks us to match the flaw and the correct answer is "some painters are dancers, since some painters are musicians, and some musicians are dancers."

i got this correct simply by process of elimination, but i wasn't 100% confident in my answer choice. i understand the first part: "all too many weaklings are also cowards" = "weaklings (--(some)--) cowards" since "all too many" = "many" = "some" on the LSAT.

the second part ("few cowards fail to be fools") is what confuses me, for two reasons:

(1) i took this to mean that "cowards (--(some)--) NOT fools," but the answer choice seems to suggest that this means "cowards (--(some)--) fools." i'm not sure if i'm overthinking it, but i just thought it was incorrect to assume "cowards (--(some)--) fools" since there is no contrapositive for "some"

(2) can we assume that "few cowards fail to be fools" to mean MOST cowards are fools (or is that too strong)?

thank you in advance!

These are my scores, as follows:

First ever score (no studying done, ever:) 155

Second Score: 158

Third Score: 161

Fourth Score: 164

Fifth Score: 157

Sixth Score: 153.

The following information is vitally important.

For my first to fifth scores, I did them all timed and proctored, and only did 4 section tests. Meaning I didn't add an additional section to replicate test-day. All of these tests were taken either in the late afternoon or the evening, alone.

For my sixth test, I wanted to simulate actual test day.

However, literally all of these things I don't normally do.

*note*I know JY says to get into a 2 month pattern, but I lack the time available. I started studying only 3 weeks ago, because I found out on January 10th that I was being forced to take the February LSAT due to overwhelming circumstances.*end note*

I woke up at 7:30, Saturday morning.

Made some normal breakfast, had coffee with sugar, swallowed 25mg of Adderal (bad idea? I read a story of a 150 scorer getting a 175 and the only difference was that he took some Adderal. I bought some, just to experiment. I am not normally on Adderal, but I used to take it as a child.)

Put all of my belongings, 4 penciles, a sharpener, etc. into a ziplock bag.

Got to the official test site where the February test will be taken next week, on time.

Sat down. Started playing the 5section proctor audio file.

The sections were LG LR LR break RC LRexperimental.

During the break, I stretched out, walked around, did one or 2 slow pushups, massaged my eyeballs, looked at my phone (im sorry, 15 minutes was a long time to wait doing nothing,) and then sat down for the last 3 minutes.

I did my writing portion and then scored my test.

My first 3 sections were about average, but I did especially poor on the Logic Games: -9, -7, -7.

My 4th section, RC, I did worse than I ever could imagine was possible for me. I'm an English major, I've been reading nonsense for 4 years, how could I score a -14 (out of 27 questions) on this section?...

For the 5th section, I got -6, a little better than average for LR.

I ignored the 5th experimental section score, and my resulting LSAT was a 153.

Worse than I did even before I began studying.

What the hell happened.... I want to give up.

Hi Ladies and Gents:

I came across this watch on www.180watch.com

this seems really legit on the website, but i cannot justify the price just by looking at it... it is $60.

Anyone who has used this before care to share a review?

OR anyone who has a cost effective way of calculating time? the analog watch doesn't really show seconds very well... and the minutes are hard to read

Thanks!

Hi all, happy studying and good luck to those of you taking the October test!

Anyway, I have a few questions I want to clear up:

1)How "weird" really is the experimental section? I'm worried about being thrown off by some of the LSAC's more creative endeavors in this section and getting flustered.

2)I know this will vary, but, when does the test usually start? 9-ish? I'm curious as to how to dose my ADHD meds (RX'ed of course)?

Well since the same people hopefully created the Feb 2014 LSAT, I was wondering how you guys felt about the Dec 2013 LSAT? I found it to be reasonably well. Nothing too crazy. Any one else?

Just a thought - has anyone else noticed an increase in repetitive answer choices, such as getting answer choice D for 14, 15, 16 and 17? It seems like as I've worked through the newer tests it becomes more prevalent.

Has anyone done the older practice tests (10-40) and compared them with the newer ones (59 +). I found that the older ones are much harder and my score is usually 4-5 points below what I score on the newer ones. Is it just me or do some of you also notice this?

Thanks!

To: Everyone in the 7Sage community.

As some/most of us may know, law school numbers are down desperately. We all know that this is going to, most probably, lower the accepted GPA and LSAT scores across the board, and extend admissions deadlines.

However, what does the drop in law school students say for those of us that plan on being lawyers?

What are your educated thoughts? (Please be as credible as you can, so we don't get any completely unrealistic responses that take us off topic.)

I'm thinking there's two possibilities here.

The poor economy and panicky articles over the past 2 years has effectively scared a large amount of 0Ls from pursuing a career in law because they fear that the employment opportunities and average wage are not worth taking on between $100k-$250k in debt to attain a JD.

1) They are right, the law field is a bad place to be, and we are all entering a very insecure field. For most of us, entering law school may be a bad choice.

2) They were wrong, the bad economy and panicky articles were overdramatized, and due to the very large drop in admissions and, therefore, class sizes through law schools, most people who are trying to attain a JD NOW as opposed to later are going to ride a wave of success due to the increase in demand for lawyers. Likewise, the decrease in lawyers is going to have more schools accepting a wider variety of GPA/LSAT scores, increasing our odds at placing into the school of our choice, or a school we would usually likely not be eligible to attend.

Aside from actually prepping for the LSAT, this is probably the best thing you can do to fend off the -3 point "test day penalty".

We included this in the curriculum in this lesson under "Meditate":

http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/winning-the-psychological-battle/

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-54-section-2-question-24/

i'm having a hard time understanding the answer for PT 54.2.24 ("there are 1.3 billion cows worldwide, and this population is growing....")

the answer is A (that cows given good quality diets would produce more meat/milk than they would otherwise), but i got this wrong because i thought it had nothing to do with the conclusion (i.e., methane production would be kept in check if cows were given better quality diets). i kept looking for a connection between diets and methane production, which led me to B (although i still had qualms about it since it didn't address the differential quality of diets). i can understand that A would potentially eliminate a counterargument to the conclusion, but why exactly is this the best answer when it doesn't address the methane issue (i.e., it doesn't directly address whether methane production would be "kept in check")? could you go over what exactly we should look for when strengthening the conclusion?

this question just threw me off -- the stimulus itself doesn't seem difficult but the answer choices just sucked! ;)

thanks as always for all your help!

jane

Improvements do happen! Post them!

My Improvements:

First Un-Timed LSAT (#7): 158

Most Recent Un-Timed LSAT (#18): 175

+17

First Timed LSAT (#43): 148

Most Recent Timed LSAT (#57): 162

+14

I have been studying for 1 year and 2 months. I will take the June LSAT.

This February, I am devoting every day to Logic Games.

In March, I will review all sections, taking Un-Timed LSATs.

Beginning in April and into June, I will begin taking Timed LSATs again.

Improvements do happen, but you must be realistic.

Happy Studying,

Bret

Hey all,

So I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on how to improve timing? My timing is okay but sometimes I go over and I miss the last end of a section and it bums me out because I'll go back and I'll get most of them correct. I heard that some people reduce their time while PTing (33 min. instead of 35 min.) to train yourself. Has anyone ever tried to reduce their section time to like 30 min. to train with that more intense pressure? Or is that not enough time to be accurate?

I appreciate any and all comments, thanks!

as a general rule of thumb, what do you guys do regrading watching video explanations after a PT? I know you watch videos you missed on BR. What about the ones you changed and got right under BR or the ones you didn't have time to get to but got correct? In the interest of time you think its okay to not watch those videos... I know the BR instructions says we don't need watch those videos, but the little cursor msg in the PT thing says that I should sometimes lol

Hi everyone,

I am taking the LSAT next week (Feb 8th), and am feeling very discouraged and losing a lot of confidence in myself. I'm from Canada and want to apply to a law school in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where they accept mid 150s-160s. So my goal for this LSAT is around those scores. I've been planning to take the LSAT since last August (2013), with the intention of taking it in October, and then December, and eventually delaying in until this Feb. I'm in my last semester of undergrad, and I have been struggling with keeping up my GPA and studying for this exam (but who isn't?) I don't want to further delay the exam because the application deadline is the beginning of March, so this is my last chance to take it. I've been studying consistently since the beginning of Jan (having already taking a PowerScore course and 7sages course previous to that), but my scores are not where I want them to be. I haven't gotten above a 150, and took a PT yesterday and scored a 146 (the worst I've ever scored). This is really destroying any confidence I have for the LSAT and am honestly just embarrassed because I have been working really hard at this. I've tried different strategies and approaches to see if my scores would improve, but to no avail. My LSAT is in a week, and it's completely unrealistic to think my scores will improve within a week. So I'm at a stand-still because I have been studying very hard, I've been focused, and following the routine that 7sage recommends (waking up at the same time everyday, exercise, eating healthy, etc). Has anyone else struggled with this? Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated! I'm totally panicked.

**Please note - I am ONLY applying to Canadian law schools!

Hi,

New student here. I wanted to see, does anyone know of an easy to way to print out all of the materials for an upcoming lesson? If I could see and print all of the attachments (quizzes and such) that are part of each section, that would make the logistics much easier, because then I wouldn't have to spend as much time planning around access to a printer.

I’m writing the exams a week from tomorrow (February 8th).

When i have all the time in the world, i’m perfect on the flaw family questions (All assumptions, flaw, weaken and strengthen) but with timing, i freeze on them and get stumped, it significantly hinders my performance.

Should i be worried? I would prefer to write tests everyday but i’m scared i’ll burn out?

Can anyone please offer me advice on how i can possibly work on getting better?

Prest Test 56 - section 2 - Q25.

Question removed. Please see video for question:

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-56-section-2-question-25/

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Now, before I list the answers, please read my thought process so you can better understand where my head was at.

"In the long run... to use insecticides." --> Main Conclusion.

"Because insects... with insecticide use." --> Premise.

", farmers have to... to control insect pests." --> Sub Conclusion / Conclusion to the Above premise.

That's what I was thinking.

A.) It is the argument's main conclusion, but not its only conclusion.

B.) It is a CLAIM for which a causal EXPLANATION is provided and which itself is used as direct support for the argument's only conclusion.

C.) It is the argument's only conclusion.

D.) It is a claim that is used as direct support for an intermediary conclusion, which in turn is used as direct support for the argument's main conclusion.

E.) It identifies a phenomenom for which the argument's main conclusion offers a causal explanation.

*spoiler*

The second choice is the correct answer. Which implies that my labeling was wrong. The answer states that it was a claim (what i would consider to be a conclusion) and that it's accompanied by a "casual" (what the heck is that supposed to mean, LSAC,) "explanation," which is supposed to be the premise. It further states that this "claim" is used as direct support for the argument's ONLY CONCLUSION.

How is this the only conclusion!?? When the LSAT says Claim and Explanation in the answer choices or question stems, does it mean Conclusion and Premise or are these two phenomenon something different entirely?

I apologize if JY explained this in one of his lessons, but i seemed to have missed it and tracking it down seemed more time consuming than asking the forums.

can someone please confirm this is how logic games are set up now http://imgur.com/DtBikmY. There have been multiple posts and understandably so. I believe a picture speaks 1000 words. If this pic is correct, it appears to have like an elongated horizontal 3/4 length of blank page under all the questions ( making flipping between a game unnecessary). does anyone think incorporating a page folded like this to logic games (http://imgur.com/saO3sxV) while P'Ting would be a bad idea. Although it is lose, it seems to give a semi-representation of an actual situation. I don't think having the same amount of space though on the actual age on the actual test day will be that much of a negative difference, how bout guys. If someone has a better idea i'm opening to listening to it. wat do u guys think?? any thoughts?

Quick poll:

How much of an increase in your score have you seen with the 7sage program. I personally have a +12, which puts me in the 160s. I am wondering though what is the general consciences .

Hey guys,

I don't know if I am the only person having this problem but when I click on to my syllabus to continue my course it takes me to the page that says "Enroll in an online LSAT prep course" but I'm already enrolled and my course doesn't expire until June!!! Please help!

is there a short cut key that allows you to pause a video while you're scrolled down below the box the video is being played in (say b/c you're taking notes but after the answer choice of interest has stopped being talked about you want to pause the video). this is a very particular and perhaps unnecessary question but it would probably save a me several minutes over the span of a couple hours.... lol

I wanted to thank the entire staff of 7sage for your excellent program. My first diagnostic test was in the 130's. I almost thought of giving up on the idea of going to LS. I am a 41 AAM and grasping some of the concepts in LG and LR under timed conditions gave me fits. I got your program and studied for a few weeks for several hours per day. This may not seem significantly high but my score I received today was a 155. I was 5 points off from my goal. I it felt great to know I can get untangle the circle talk and head games. Again thanks to you all!

I find myself often finding something very helpful within the comments and discussion for different lessons.

It would be nice if students could bump up / like / upvote / etc comments so that the most relevant and insightful comments/discussions can be seen.

A feature of this sort will help most later in the site's existence when there are hundreds or thousands of comments on one video.

Hey guys/gals,

I'm a very serious undergrad doing 8 to 12 hours of studying LSAT a day, the rest is dedicated for sleep and school.

Shooting for a 170+

Let me know if anyone is in my area and wants to be as serious, or if someone wants to study online by doing the same LSAT tests, problems, comparing our answers/logic, etc.

English major.

Hey all,

Having a hard time finding material around this website. I see that there are some questions after each lesson as practice to do. But where all the 300+ or 900+ or whatever deal you got printable questions? I can't find the link to that. Also, where can I download and print the 6 or 21 LSAT TESTS? Can't find those either.