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Hello everyone. This might be a bit of a long post but I’m writing this post to pretty much look for advice as to what I should do with my study plan since I’m losing hope and considering giving up.

For context, I took the LSAT November of 2021 and scored a 150. This was with no studying at all as I was doing school full time at that point. Prior to taking that LSAT, my cold diagnostic was a 144 on the June 07. Since then, I decided to opt for the gap year and focused on finishing undergrad with good grades. I began studying again June of this year post-graduation and have been putting between 3-6 hours every single day except on weekends where I study less due to other responsibilities. My goal was ~160 by October of this year. I have already registered for that date btw.

My issue becomes that I’ve scored nowhere near my goal. My highest actual score has been a 154 despite scoring in the 160s during BR a few times. Besides the 154, I’ll score anywhere between 148-152 for the most part. The 154 was due largely to me scoring -3 on the LG on that PT. My routine consists of mainly drilling LG and LR as I’ve heard RC is not worth practicing as much. I average -9 or -10 on RC. Despite me drilling hundreds of LGs and LR questions I’ll still get 7-15 wrong on any LR section. On LG, I can go either -3 or -14 under timed conditions despite being capable of -0 on BR. I’m very inconsistent on the games because I struggle with diagramming rules and setting up the games. This often forces me to brute force through answer choices because I don’t make inferences and waste time only allowing me to complete 3/4 games.

Now, with that being said I’ll mention that I have not gone through the entire CC. I recently started going through the CC for LR and plan on finishing it and moving on to the LG CC. I’m also reading the LR Loophole but I’m only halfway through the book. I am well aware that these are things I should have done from the start before I even began drilling or doing PTs but I unfortunately didn’t.

My question becomes: With only ~5 weeks until my October LSAT, what should I even do? Should I fully focus on finishing the Loophole and the CC and stop doing PTs until then? Should I do that but continue weekly drills or cut out even drills until I understand the CC? Should I still be doing at least 1 PT per week? Or should I simply just drill LG for the next few weeks in a last ditch effort to score higher given that this is the section I feel like I can improve on the most? I’m really not sure where to go from here with 5 weeks left and morale at an all time low. Btw, if you made it this far, thank you. I’d appreciate any tips.

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Hi guys, I'm looking for some advice, I think I'm doing quite well in general with getting the answers right but during my PTs I usually end up with 5-8 unanswered questions on the LG because I just didn't even have the time to look at them. If any of you went through the same thing and found a way to solve it please leave me your tips or strategies.

Thanks:)

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Anyone who took the August test and is retaking in October willing to share their study schedule for the next month? Bonus points if you work full time.

I was PTing in the high 160s-low 170s, got a 164 on the August test. Returning to studying after taking a few weeks off and struggling to come up with a schedule/strategy that will help get me a 168 or higher in October while working full time without burning out.

ALSO, if you are a tutor or know anyone who will tutor me for a few hours a week at a reasonable price (~$50/hour), hmu.

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I have a logic question I was wondering if you could help me with.

So I was doing a MBF question on Test 41 section 1. Essentially, the stimulus gives you two conditionals.

I know you cannot get a contrapositive out of A (Most)-> B nor out of A (some)B. So my question is is why can you not do this logical move, when you start with the original conditional statement

Normal

Contrapositive

A->B:

By inference we can say A (most)-> B

By inference we can say A(some)B

The contrapositive being~B->~A:

By inference we can say ~B (most)-> ~A

By inference we can say ~A(some)B~

While I know that we cannot get a contrapositives from “most” conditionals and “some” conditionals, from this chart it seems like we can?

I understand from ALL you can imply MOST, from MOST you can imply SOME or from ALL you can imply SOME.

So what I am missing or not realizing?

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Hi friends!

I am a little confused and want some clarification. I have been doing prep tests and not stimulating the modern, meaning I am taking all 4 sections which makes sense because that is what I will be doing on test day. The score that I get back counts the 4th section when I perform in that mode, right? Should I do my own calculations on the sections supposedly scored and use that to keep track of my scores or is the score given by 7sage my anticipated score?

I hope this makes sense. help pls :-)

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Hi! As the title says, I'm looking to tutor someone. :) My diagnostic was a 152 in April 2022 and my favourite section to teach is Logical Reasoning which ironically was my worst section at first. I really enjoyed the process of navigating the logic in the LSAT and I hope I get to continue being involved with the LSAT by tutoring!

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    Hello everyone,

    I am reapplying this cycle to law school. I was wondering if I will have to request my transcripts again(nothing has changed) and request new letters of recommendations from my previous professors? I applied last year but decided to wait off another year after looking at the law schools I was admitted to and got denied from.

    Also, do I have to change drastically my personal statement? In my personal statement I wrote about why I wanted to become a lawyer and my reasons for why I want to become a lawyer have not changed. I also do not want to resubmit the same personal statement but also not write something entirely new.

    Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!

    Thanks!

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    For this section of the application, do I list every single year of my dean's list or is that to excessive since I received it every semester or should I make a single entry for each of them.

    Also would publication go here? And would Merit Aid Scholarship from the Chancellor's Office for academic recognization go here if it does?

    Thanks for the help!

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    Even though I really want a LOR from this Professor, I feel like I'm far to busy with schoolwork and studying for the LSAT to sit down to learn how to write a LOR. But at the same time, I think he's asking me to write it because he is far to busy. I already have 4 other LORs from employers and other professors, is it worth it for me to stress out over this single LOR? Should I kindly ask him to write it or should I just give up on his letter entirely? The thing about this professor in specific is I've known him and kept in touch with him for about 4 years, so I feel that his LOR will shed light on our long-standing academic relationship. Any advice?

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    Lately I have been looking ahead at the games and start by doing the ones with the most questions tied to them. Is this a decent method? Should I instead start with the ones that look easiest to me? Just not sure the best way to approach the logic games sections.

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    Looking to score over a 160. Just took the August test and got a 152.

    I did Princeton Review and Kaplan and was not a fan of either. I need a structured study plan to get me to my goal. Needs to be flexible.

    Weakest section is Logic Reasoning. The strongest is Logic Games, but I want to get my LG down to (-2) max. I'm anywhere from a -0 to -5 on an LG section.

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    I'm writing this post to 1.) cool down and 2.) get some good advice and hopefully have my questions answered

    Background: When I first started studying for the lsat, it was 3 months ago and I used 7sage and studied for around 4-5 hours everyday, although I took a day or two off a week to rest my mind, while drilling LR and LG mainly at first and then later I moved onto RC. This past month I took 5 practice tests all in the range of the mid to high 140s and it has messed me up mentally. I can't seem to understand it but no matter what I do I keep getting these bullshit questions wrong. I barely have time to read 3 passages for RC and even then I only somewhat understand what I'm reading. I would say I definitely put over 200 hours into this bullshit and feel that this was a giant waste of time. Also, I want to clarify that I tried to study for the lsat from almost every which way possible so I wouldn't see that as the reason why I'm not doing good. My BR's are in the low to mid 150s, which is a dream score at this point, and every time I see my BR score I just get overwhelmingly pissed off that I can't get those numbers on the actual exam. I'm currently registered for the September lsat in a week and don't even care what I get at this point. I don't quit on things easily but I'm also realistic that the more hours that I put into this is just wasting time.

    Another thing worth noting is the advice I got from the lawyer I currently work for who runs a successful law office. I spoke with him about my worry for my lsat score and he laughed and told me not to worry. When he spoke about his law journey, he told me he went to some shitty law school, which isn't even active anymore, and how he did terribly on the lsat, like me, and how he was worried about going to law school, passing the bar, etc. He took the bar 4 times and told me that that he was determined to become a lawyer and wasn't going to quit no matter how hard it was. It definitely paid off for him as he has his own office now, drives a 100k car, and is still in his 30's. One thing he said that gave me some hope was: "if you want to be a lawyer then it doesn't matter how it happens as long as you end up being one and are set on doing so." I'm focused on being a lawyer so I really do hope what he said holds true. He told me about his other lawyer friends from his same law school that all ended up being successful after graduating and that if I put my mind to it then I could be just as successful.

    Current Plans: Assuming I get what I currently got on my PT's, let's say a 146, my chances of even getting into a below average law school is like 60% and that's on the 7sage law school predictor which inflates everything and isn't that accurate. My thoughts are I'm going to take the test now, continue to study until the October one and take it then, and then if I score better than the September lsat I'll keep it if not then I'll cancel it. I actually am shocked at myself for being unable to get into the 150s but that's irrelevant because I've been dealt a bad hand. I'm planning on applying to only low ranked schools and early admit one of them. I plan to submit my applications in October to give myself the best chances of acceptance.

    Questions: So with a 146 lsat and 3.4 gpa what do you guys think my chances of getting into a school like Southwestern would be with early admit? For those that are also scoring in the 140s range what are your guys plans: Are you planning to study for higher score or just apply with what you have? Do people with 140s lsat scores get accepted to law schools? I know lsat matters a lot but how significant do you think gpa/internships/personal statements etc. matters in law school applications? Is it worth applying to law schools if you were in my scenario or would you switch career paths?

    Just to sum up, I don't care what law school I get into as long as I get in somewhere. I know bar pass rates and all that but for me as of now all that matters is just getting in somewhere with what I have. I have great letters of rec and my personal statement is great as well. So, I hope the best for all you guys whenever you take your lsat and good luck with your guy's law journey.

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    Definitely my fault as I didn't realize the time difference but I missed the deadline by 40 minutes. Do you guys think they'll let me register? I sent them an email right away

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    The first time I took a logic game section, I didn't get a single question right. Logic games were the death of me. Every time I took one, I would literally start crying.I decided I wanted to just keep going and going until I got what I wanted. I would wake up at 6am, and study for two or three hours before my college classes started. I studied for over 400 hours total. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done. Today, I got my score back. A 174. I couldn't have done it without 7sage. The course saved me.Now, so many doors are open.To whoever is reading this, please remember, YOU CAN DO IT.

    Do not give up. The time will come. I never thought I could've done this, but somehow I did! Thank you to this wonderful community for all the support along the way.7sage is such an amazing platform, and I cannot recommend it enough. I am canceling my account, but for a very happy reason :)

    Much love,

    E

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    Hello, I am recently trying to take notes by using the memory method. I feel helpful on some sides but experiencing lots of trouble simultaneously.

    First of all, I run out of time whenever I try to take some notes by using this method (I need extra 5 minutes at least). This happens because I take a long time to read (4 minutes per passage on average), and I also overthink what to note. I still do not have consistent rules on my note-taking - sometimes I put only names and years, sometimes only names and key terms..etc. Since I cannot be sure what to note, I should take the time to clarify it. Then this time consumption makes me rush even more in the end.

    Therefore, I want to ask if there are any tips on note taking or using the memory method in RC. If you are not using the memory method, can you suggest any alternate way of approaching RC? Any tips will be welcomed!

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    Hi everyone, just received my first LSAT score and wanted to share my thoughts on what helped me get there. Like some people on this forum, I started prepping late and was working full time while doing prep.

    I started prepping for the test in May 2022 with the intent of taking the test in August. At first, I thought "nah I have so much time", so I took the entire May to just slowly work my way through Powerscore's LG bible. I then did my first PT, scored a 158 and was sort of encouraged by this score because I needed a 166 to get into my target school, and I wasn't quite aware of how hard/easy it is to increase your score. I was also working full time through the summer, though my job was chill so I wasn't coming home feeling like I'm done with life, which I'm sure helped with the prep. My weakest section was LG (when I started, it would take me about two hours to complete one logic game), and my RC/LR were generally in the -2 to -6 range from the start (my undergrad was in philosophy so I suspect it helped).

    My main issue was getting overwhelmed with the LGs. I would get stuck on a question, then start freaking out that I'm spending too much time on this question so I won't finish the section on time, so I might as well just quit. My PTs quickly went into 165-166 but then I stayed there for two-ish months, then I slowly started getting 168-169, and just the week before the test I scored my first 170. I then did my actual test and received a 171 this morning.

    With this out of the way, here are some things that I believe helped me score a 171 on the test day:

    No PTs on the test week. I knew that if I scored low, I'd be discouraged and it would impact my test day performance. My mental fatigue was starting to show, so I knew that even if I did several PTs on the test week and did well on them, I would get super tired and my brain would turn into mashed potatoes on the test day. Whatever gains were promised by trying to develop the stamina during the final week didn't seem to justify the risks.

    Eating a big, delicious breakfast on the test day. This one might seem like a very minor point, but once you consistently score within your target range, then you have the ability that you need to do well, doing well on the LSAT comes down to winning the mental game. Eating breakfast sausages with bacon and eggs really helped me win the mental game and feel good before the test.

    Don't burn through the study material just because you feel like a loser. This one was big for me. I would take a PT, then score 3-4 points below my average, then I'd get mad at myself for being stupid, then I'd take another PT, do even worse, then the cycle repeats. By the end, I have wasted the study material and learned nothing valuable. You can spend hours doing really inefficient prep and learning next to nothing just because you feel like "I must keep prepping! My life=prep, nothing else matters". This was my mindset very often, and it only made me feel worse for not progressing faster. Instead, what I found helpful was to allow your mind to really rest. My best PT performance was after taking a week-long break and doing zero prep during this week, and I think that doing something similar during the week before the test helped me immensely.

    Having a game plan for when you're experiencing test-day paralysis. If you're like me, then you worry that you'll get stuck and unable to progress through the test, which will start a chain of psychological events that make you shrivel up on the inside and want to terminate the test right then. Acknowledge this and develop an action plan for what you do when this happens. For me, it was a very deliberate breathing exercise, where I would take 15-30 seconds (yes, you must sacrifice time to gain something more valuable -- a clear mind and an ability to keep going) and do deep breathing.

    Understanding that the LSAT is not a mysterious magical ritual. This one was by far one of the most helpful things in winning the mental game. To do well on the LSAT, you don't need to grasp some deep mysteries and hope that it works. The LSAT made by humans like you and I, who're sitting there and creating problems with predictable patterns. It is a standardized test whose complexity is limited by the ability of those nerds (sorry LSAT-makers) to create convoluted problems. They're trying to confuse you and scare you, but they're just applying simple psychological tricks -- you're better than that, you can recognize these tricks, understand how to solve these problems, and be smarter than them.

    If anyone has any questions, feel free to post them here or DM!

    All the best to you my friends

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