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Hi guys - I had a nightmare experience with Proctor U and was just reached out by LSAC to potentially sign up for a retake of the August exam.

For anyone that has taken a retake, does this retake count as an additional attempt? For example, the August exam I took on the 16th was the 2nd time I’ve taken the exam. If I am to take a retake, would this count as my 3rd or will it still remain my 2nd attempt?

Thank you all for your help. Best of luck studying for everyone!

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Hi everyone,

My name is Ken Kim. Let me briefly introduce myself. I used to attend Northeastern University School of Pharmacy in Boston then transferred to the University of Utah Asia Campus in Songdo, Incheon. I graduated from the school in 2018 with a bachelor's degree in communication. I, then, enrolled at Johns Hopkins University Advanced Academic Program for my master's degree in communication. I graduated from the said school in 2021 and am currently committed full-time studying for the LSAT while doing a part-time tutoring for international students. I recently moved to Gangnam from Songdo, Incheon and am looking for friends to study with me at Gangnam Station. We can study at the Wing Study Cafe, which is literally right next to Exit 9 of Gangnam Station. The rate for using the study cafe per person is 1,700 KRW for each hour. We can meet up with up to four people due to the government restriction. I am currently doing the game section of the 7Sage CC. Please reply to this thread or send me a DM, and we can immediately get started with studying for the LSAT.

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Hey everyone,

I just took my first practice test since my diagnostic and I'm a little disappointed. My diagnostic was a 143 with 150 BR and first PT after finishing the curriculum was a 147 with a 157 BR. Time constraints are really hurting me and I could use some advice on how to be faster/more efficient during the test.

Also, LG under the time constraint absolutely wrecked me (-13 during time constraint with -3 BR). I'm registered for the October exam but now I'm a little hesitant considering I'm a little over a month away from the test date.

Let me know what y'all think!

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Hey y'all, I need some PS guidance. How important is it for me to talk about why I want to go to law school when I don't have any legal experience on my resume? I wasn't intending to center my PS around this topic, but I recently heard it's recommended for those that don't have such experience.

For context, I was instead intending to talk about learning something new/how this would be transferable to law school.

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A --> B

-B --> -A

Is the following possible (could be true)?

-B --> -A --s-- B

So basically, is it a possibility (could be true) for the necessary condition to sometimes be the logical opposite of the sufficient condition?

Sorry if this seems stupid or even not pertinent to the lsat, but I'd really like to know.

Or maybe a better to ask this(?):

If -B --> -A, then is -B --> -A AND B necessarily false?

I hope I'm making sense :/

Edit:

I guess "sometimes" would not fit because of the 100% possibility sometimes implies. So I guess -B --> -A --x--> B could be true. ( --x--> meaning not necessarily, aka 0-99 % possibility)

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Hello dear community,

first of all, besides the high-quality content 7sage provides, I'd like to express my admiration for the positivity among the users on this platform, both in the discussion forum as well as in the comments etc. Definitely healthier to seek out for advice here compared to some other platforms (cough ... reddit ... cough).

My issue can be summarized into the following phrase: I have the suspicion that I am heading to LSAT-burnout.

In March, I quitted my previous job, got a new one in April and pushed my start date back to October in order to invest 5 months in the preparation for my applications for JD/MBA joint degree programs (which included LSAT, essays and some other stuff).

I've invested the vast majority of this time so far in the LSAT, started off with the core curriculum and untimed psets, and have done 16 timed PT's so far (including full review), averaging at 173 (took PT June07, 36, 37, 38, 39, 62, 63, 64, 65, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 80, 79, in that order). In parallel, I aim to read 15-20 articles of The Economist per week to practice understanding passages via the low resolution memory, and elongate & go over an vocab Excel-list consisting meanwhile of 800+ words (since I'm a non-native speaker and RC has been by far my weakest section).

Today I took PT 79, and had to realize that in sections 2-4 my brain was just running on auto-pilot mode, my mind was not 100% inside the test, I felt tired and exhausted. To my surprise, as opposed to the last 4 tests, my RC score wasn't that bad (-2) and that pushed the score up to 175 (seriously, don't ask me how this happened - I'll need to review the test, honestly I thought I totally, totally bombed RC this time). I believe that in the last 5-6 PTs I also felt kind of tired, but today it was really worse... I mean during the last section I even had impetus to just stand up and walk around rather than read even one more LR stimulus. For the last couple days, I also feel slower even when it comes to reviewing tests, and procrastinate a lot more compared to when I started...

I know, the obvious advice would be "take some days off". However, following worries keep me back from this:

I consciously chose to start later at my new firm (thereby creating opportunity costs in form of lost salary) for the LSAT. Therefore, I kind of tend to feel guilty every moment I do not do anything for the LSAT, and other people in my age work full-time.

I already was involved in LSAT prep (by far not full-time though) from September 2019 to April 2020, but did not really take it seriously and just kept burning PTs without reviewing them and without taking a rigorous preparation course. I decided to take these months off and do it correctly this time, and this decision increases the pressure I impose to myself to get a 175+ even more, since not achieving this would be a waste of my time (and maybe kind of an indication that my mental capabilities are simply not enough to get into Harvard, Yale or Stanford Law School).

I am not sure whether it is burnout or problems with sleep. For some time, I've been having issues with falling asleep at night, with the result that I've rarely gained sleep of 7+ hours. Therefore, in case it is sleep issues and not burnout, I'm afraid that this break will be unnecessary and won't do anything to face the potential root-cause of the problem.

As mentioned before, I am a non-native speaker. On top of that, I've never really been intrinsically motivated to read in my leisure time (be it for the sake of it, or in order to learn about what's happening in the world etc.). Therefore, I have the dilemma, in case I do decide to take a break, whether I should keep reading The Economist or not. On the one hand, RC is my weakest section and I feel like I need to improve on it and time is really running against me, therefore, ideally, I would have to utilize every single free second to improve my reading skills in English. On the other hand, investing time in an activity that I do not intrinsically perceive as "fun" would not really fulfill the purpose of taking a break...

That said, I would really appreciate it if you could give some answers to the following questions:

Does the above sound like LSAT burnout?

Have you ever had the above thoughts? If so, how did you cope with them?

What do you think is the best way to get into the routine of a fixed sleeping schedule (e.g. go to bed before midnight and wake up before 8 am)? For some time, I managed to go to bed before or around midnight, fall asleep relatively quickly and wake up at 8.30-9 am, but meanwhile I went back to the vicious cycle of not being able to go to bed before 1 am, staying in bed without being able to fall asleep for at least 2 hours, waking up at 9.30 am, being tired for the rest of the day though paradoxically fully energized at night... and so on. Do you have some tips for breaking that cycle for a longer time period?

Thanks in advance guys! As I said, I really appreciate the positivity of the 7sage community and try to give my advice wherever and whenever I can as well :) Excited to read your comments before going to the final stage of taking PT 82-90.

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Hey y’all, I had something really strange happen to me and I’m wondering if this happened to someone else. I faced “connectivity issues” when I took the LSAT flex so I called the LSAC immediately after to request a makeup test that week - an option I only learned existed through this forum (their website says nothing about it). I called again on the makeup test day to ask why my request was denied and I was told on the phone by an LSAC representative that I was ineligible for a makeup because one of the sections on the makeup test was the exact same one I had on the test I took. I thought it was really odd that a makeup test would have a repeated section as this obviously denies some test takers the chance to sit for it should things go awry during the test. Has anyone else been told this by LSAC? What do you know about the eligibility criteria for a makeup test? The lack of transparency is deeply concerning.

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Just finished my first LSAT take (August) and thought this would be a good time to give something back to the 7Sage community!

I've been studying for the LSAT for a year. I started with a diagnostic of 157 (although it wasn't a true diagnostic score as I'd done the Blueprint video course beforehand). I've gotten my PT score up to the 170s with my highest being 177, and a lot of that improvement was thanks to the 7sage question taking interface and explanation videos.

I also found a wonderful tutor @Christopherr through 7sage who helped me get from the low 160s to the 170s.

The most intimidating section for me was logic games. Although I got to a point where I understood the games and could do them without losing any points untimed, when it came to doing all 4 games under time, I felt hopeless.

Thanks to a combination of @Christopherr, 7sage, and analysing my own mistakes, I learned about several strategies that I could use to shave off time without losing out on accuracy and wanted to share them with anyone who might be interested.

This session is aimed at people who are familiar with all the game and question types and are now working on their speed. If you're a beginner you might benefit too as these tips could prevent you from forming some unhelpful habits.

We'll go through a sample game or two (I'll pick some from the pre-60s so as not to "spoil" any more recent ones) while I talk us through my approach, and you can ask any LG related questions that you have.

To join the session, just use the Zoom link below.

Topic: LG group tutoring session

Time: Aug 21, 2021 10:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting

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Meeting ID: 898 5049 7645

Passcode: 6aEeDr

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Hi everyone, I am seeking some advice on what to approach first in regards to studying for the LSAT. I’m planning on taking the June 2022 LSAT and am start prepping to prep for it.

I bought the Manhattan prep books last year so I’ve been reading the RC , I found RC a bit difficult as I got 2/10 on the short exercises and it was mostly because I looked at the RC’s in a different perspective, although I did have the correct answers underlined. I was planning to enroll in the 7sage ultimate plus for additional support and instructions. However, is there a specific order that I need to study like would LG and LR possible make the RC’s clear? Any suggestions or tips?

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I've heard that foolproofing the games from PT50 to the present is a good idea, and I am leaning in that direction because a lot of the earlier games do seem to be relics of the past. But I also want to be able to do my full PTs from the newer tests. How should I reconcile this apparent paradox?

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Not sure why this question isn't clicking. I have no idea how this question stem relates to a dog being a pit bull because of what it does, not because of its breed. I think I am unable to unattach a dogs "breed" from the term, "pit bull." Can anyone help me out? Thank you!

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What’s up fam - it’s your boi lsat_sus.

I hope the Aug flex folks practice some self-empathy if you didn’t feel too hot on your exam. “Just keep swimming” as the great blue aquatic specimen so graciously stated.

I just took PT 86 and did “not bad,” and after thorough review I think I got the underlying logical reasoning structure for the second LR section. I’d love to discuss it with y’all this Saturday night at 7:30pm** CST.

The plan is to do the entire section together and explain what I extrapolated from those questions that I hope will be applicable to future LR questions.

Topic: PT 86 S4 Review

Join Zoom Meeting

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6898274355?pwd=RHpGUFkxR2FyUlkxeS9iOGZqdE1XZz09

Meeting ID: 689 827 4355

Passcode: 152658

Much thanks,

lsat_sus

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I had recently been going about taking PTS but rather untimed to see whether or not I'd be able to decipher the correct answer with the choices provided. On LR using this method I have gone -2 and -1, but I continue to struggle with timing. I possess the same issue with RC buts it way worse as I don't even have time to reach the the questions of the final passage before time expires. Any suggestions to improve on timing in these two sections?

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Today was my third time writing the lsat. My previous attempts were around 150 so i completely changed up my studying technique. I was consistently scoring 160-165 all on PT before todays exam but my test anxiety was so high and someone in the office next to me was talking loudly so I feel like i bombed my final attempt. I think this may be the end of my journey to law school as I studied full time for four months and had accommodations and still became highly stressed and blanked during the actual exam.... so frustrating.

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I am reapplying this cycle after getting wait listed at my top schools. I applied last cycle days before the application deadline because I took my LSAT in February. I was told by multiple counselors that I'd normally be a shoe in for the ones I applied for had it not been so late in the cycle. I am applying to schools where I am either at the median score or above it. I was wondering if I have to write a new PS. The one I used last year was great and really told my story of why I wanted to go to law school. I don't think I can write another, if so, because my "why" really hasn't changed. Also, do I need new LOR's? Thank you!

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Hi, I started at a 142 and am currently PTing between 155-157. Any advice on how to break out of this? My goal is a 165 by October.

I need to definitely work on logic games timing, but any overall tips would be helpful. Or any books/course/tutors!

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This is something I wish I could tell my younger self when I first started off studying. When I first started, I had this mindset of "If I study 5 hours a day and do 100 questions... yeah I'll definitely crush this exam." Yeah, I was definitely cocky with that mentality and now I realize how foolish I was back then to think that haha. But the reason for that is much of our exams in college and high school were fueled by this kind of approach. Whether it be a biology exam or history exam, if you memorized a fact, YOU KNOW and can regurgitate that on paper. "What year was the Declaration of Independence signed? Oooh easy, 1776!"

The LSAT is different. It is less a content exam and more of a skills exam. The exam tests very specific skills that, if you hone them well, will serve you extremely well come test day.

For example, in Logical Reasoning, it is all about evaluating the argument. What does it mean to evaluate the argument? It means you have to be able to find the Conclusion, identify the Premises, pause and think about any assumptions being made, and then figuring out why the correct answer is correct while all the others are bad. To be able to do all this quickly is a skill and the most critical skill on the section.

When I started off, I didn't think much about the above and my basis for success came down to how many questions I got right on a problem set. "Yes, I got 4 out of 5 right! I'm ready for this man!" But the I would just keep getting the same low score over and over and over.

The problem was that I may have gotten the correct answer a few times but I never fully understood why nor did I fully integrate the correct processes to be able to get them consistently right.

The best example is shooting a basketball. I was lucky enough to hit a few shots in a row but come game day, I couldn't hit them consistently time and time again. The only way to make this work is to make sure you integrated the correct processes into your brain so that it is seamless. That's why players like Steph Curry no long think when they shoot. They just shoot because the skill is so embedded in them.

That's where you want to be in LSAT prep. It is far more beneficial for you to take the time to figure just what skills the LSAT is testing and then figuring out the methods to consistently practice those skills over and over.

Your goal should not be "I want to finish 50 questions in 3 hours," but rather "Did I understand just these 5 questions and how to correctly approach them next time?" The latter is far more beneficial and will serve you well because the LSAT repeats the same concepts over and over. The same flaws, the same games, the same RC passages come up over and over. If you could to figure out the best way to tackle these problems the first time around and integrate them, you'll be ready to ace them without blinking the next time you see them.

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Hi Everybody,

Like many of you, I took the August 2021 LSAT yesterday. I already anticipated that I was going to struggle a bit, as I know I haven't fully grasped all of the material (My most recent PT score was 158). However, by the time I had came to that realization it was too late to reschedule my test so I took it in August anyway. I do not think I did well yesterday and I am fully expecting to cancel that score. I am already scheduled to take the test again in October and would like to surround myself with people in a similar situation. I am looking to form or join a study group with anyone in the same boat as me or that can offer guidance/support. I tend to struggle with LR and RC.

If you are interested in joining or already belong to a study group, please share what platform you find works best!

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Is anyone interested in starting a dedicated study group for the October test? I’m currently in the low 160s looking to focus on LR and RC mostly, I average -1 on LG so I can offer insight there if need be. looking for people to review with, let me know if you’re interested

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