I am about to enter my senior year of college. I took the LSAT for the first time in April of 2021 and was about 5 points away from my target. I am taking the LSAT again this fall and I am unsure if I should take it in October or November. I have been studying all summer and plan to study up until the LSAT. Of course it would be beneficial to have an extra month of studying but I have heard mixed reviews as to whether November is too late because of the advantage of applying earlier. Please let me know your thoughts! Thank you

I am in a confusing position: I haven't taken the LSAT yet so I don't have a score. How do I know what personal statement to write if I have no clue what school I will apply to? Thanks in advance.

I'm having difficulty distinguishing "either or" as inclusive vs. exclusive.

I'm working on the Advanced Logical Indictor section from the CC and immediately ran into confusion with the question 1 from the Complex Conditional Translation section.

For instance using Q1 from that section:

If a cat weights over 10kg, then it is either a Maine Coon or suffering from obesity.

I was confident at first that the sentence could be translated to:

10kg+ → (/MC→SO) = 10kg+ and /MC →SO

But as JY and other users comments detailed, this interpretation is incorrect because I'm incorrectly presuming the "either or" is an embedded bi-conditional.

So to clarify, if the sentence does not explicitly state "but not both" and if there's no context that can be used to determine if the "either or" is inclusive or exclusive, should I default and interpret the "either or" to mean inclusive?

In this instance, since Q1 does not explicitly state "not both" and there's no additional context, is it reasonable to interpret the "either or" as inclusive?

Making the logical translation as such:

OG: 10kg+ → MC or SFO

If a cat is over 10kg, then it's either a Maine Coon or suffering from obesity.

Contrapositive: /MC and /SFO → /10kg+

If a cat is not a Maine Coon and not suffering from obesity, then it's not over 10kg.

I'm just trying to really hammer home and flesh out the difference between inclusivity vs. exclusive.

Any Reply or input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!

#help

Hi all, I was wondering where and how we schedule our time for the August test? Do we just receive an email from LSAC this afternoon and we’ll be guided from there? Thanks.

In this principle question - I don't understand what makes Answer C different from Answer E. Why is one right when the other one is wrong?

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Full disclosure, this isn't a post to vent. I'm genuinely looking for advice and hoping that people scoring better than I will be able to provide me with some tips, encouragement, advice, etc.

I graduated in 2020 with a bachelors and a 4.00 GPA (4.07 CAS). I then grabbed a master's degree because the job market was shit in my area and I was fortunate to go to a MUCH better known institution. I graduated in May of this year with a 3.59 GPA in the Master's program and received numerous scholarly awards. My softs are T-3 (Eagle Scout, Masters, President of school organizations, etc). I hope this isn't coming across as bragging. I just want to provide a little info about myself for assessment.

My problem, like many others, is the LSAT. I used a tutor for the beginning of my studies but we never PT'd. Expensive mistake. I registered for 7sage in December, took a diagnostic, and got a 149. For reference, the tutor was summer of last year, and the Diagnostic (2007 June) was in December. I stopped studying bc of the Master's and started again in June.

Now, after starting in June, my scores have been all over the place. I initially PT'd on Feb. 97' with a 161. Followed by a 160 on PT 36. "Amazing!" I thought. I was studying about a 2-3hrs a day. This was roughly a month ago.

Fast forward to the past two weeks. I went to a 153 (PT 60) to a 154 (PT70) to a 156 today (PT M2020). This is a drop in about 8-9 questions. I've been told that the tests have gotten harder overtime - I get it. I can't help but feel flabbergasted, frustrated, stupid, probably burned out, but most of all, disappointed. I have no one to blame but myself and I own that.

I originally was planning to take the test for August. My goal score is a 165-166. I haven't canceled but I probably will. Don't know what to do. I absolutely refuse to quit on this because being a lawyer and going to law school is what I want to do. Some might say, "okay, so just keep studying and take in October?" My problem is I'm starting a BITCH of a job in Early October that'll probably drive me into the ground (easy 80-90 hour weeks for 6 months out of the year / 50 for the rest). This is a job that I need because I'm trying to financially help my parents who are ill.

As the title says, any assessment/help/encouragement/thoughts are appreciated. I think I'll probably cancel and take a week off. I'm hoping I'm not too stupid for a 165.

I'm struggling to note why the E choice does not also fit the bill. Since it eliminates a potential threat to the argument - and it also would weaken the argument if it were true.

Hey all. I'm writing to ask for some advice about the upcoming August test for which I'm registered. I've been studying for about 9 months and for most of that time, I saw a significant increase in my score. I was testing consistently twice per week with PT60s and PT70s and getting a few points above my target score. Now that I'm testing in the 80s, I'm scoring well below where I was in the PT70s. Logic Games have stayed consistent (-3/-4) but my LR and RC went from around (-3/-4) each to (-9/-10). How is that even possible?

I've read lots of posts about how the tests don't change much and they're scaled accordingly, but I am honestly convinced that the PT80s LR and RC sections are significantly harder than the PT60s and PT70s. The questions are more challenging, and the wrong answers seem way more tempting and way more difficult to parse out. Is anyone else finding this to be the case?

I'm seriously considering cancelling my registration, because if I'm testing this poorly 2.5 weeks out, I know it'll only be worse come actual test day. sigh

Hi! I'm Caroline and I've been studying for the LSAT for about a year. I take it next February but I've been having a hard time motivating myself. I am looking for a study buddy/ study group. If anyone is interested, please message me back! I am looking to set up a discord server where we can meet and discuss questions from the LSAT and hold each other accountable.

Where are PTs past May 2020? Are they not released by the LSAC? or Is there something to do with FLEX?

Hello all,

I work in the General Counsel's office of a large area hospital and I had planned to take my LSAT in one of our conference rooms or offices. The issue is, while it does not bother me, will the emergency helicopter landing right outside my window (or close enough), set-off any sort of trigger to the proctor or possibly disqualify my exam? As I said, I work through this sound every single day and it doesn't affect me, but I just realized that might pose a problem with the Proctor. Any advice or experiences with very loud external noises during the exam that are out of your control? TIA

Last week I took two practice tests and scored a 157 and a 156. A couple weeks prior to those, I scored a 161.

Fast forward to today, I just scored a 163. Are these types of fluctuations normal?? Im taking the August test and obviously would like to score in the 160's but I don't understand why my scores aren't consistent.

#1

A cannot B without C.

Translation:

AB --> C

/C --> /AB

#2

A without B cannot C.

Translation:

/AB --> /C

C --> AB

I'm curious about the logic itself because if it's true then it's a great thing for me to memorize so I can quickly translate group3/group 4 indicators when they appear together on the test.

I have the Sufficient and Necessary conditions cheatsheet PDF saved, but I was wondering if there was a sheet somewhere like this in the curriculum I may have missed for the indicator words (idk if that's exactly the right term for them). "For, since, because" introduce premise, certain words introduce conclusion, etc. Just a nice neat place where all those words are gathered as a way to study them. Hoping someone can point me in the right direction of course material for this or even if someone made something themselves for this. Thanks! #help

Hey Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone had more in depth tips about reading comprehension besides reading more. I'm in a rut where my reading comprehension is usually -6 to -10. I'm having trouble with author inference questions/most strongly supported according to the passage questions, and would really appreciate some guidance/input. Also, I'm wondering what strategies people use to get through specific passage types like art or science if that's possible.

Thanks!

I love taking PT's on 7Sage. It's easy and intuitive. I especially love the multi-colored highlighting features for singling out context, premises and conclusion. What I want to know is if I will be thrown for a loop when I take the official LSAT in October? How much different, if at all, will it be? Will features like highlighting still be available?

Hello, I have a study plan to study linear games, then grouping games, then linear/grouping. These categories are from Powerscore but I can't find that last question type in 7Sage. Anyone know what 7Sage would call Linear/Grouping? I believe it includes Pattern type questions? Thanks

I felt myself might be the worst RC test taker in the discussion section. I have no idea how to improve it. Focusing on big picture has no help for me. I simply do not understand what the passage was talking about! My LR is now -5 but RC score could not be worse.

It's the biggest obstacle on my LSAT journey.

Are the following two equivalent?

(E1) --(s)-- (-E2)

(E2) --(s)-- (-E1)

I'm confused how this is a fallacy.

If I'm a hypocrite, saying that my reasoning is invalid because I'm a hypocrite is itself a fallacy.

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What does Assumes without warrant mean?

Is there any way that I can take a premade 35 minute section without taking a full prep test? Looking to take full sections of logical reasoning without having to individually select things from the test bank or use a whole prep test just for one section

I've been studying pretty regularly and do only a few hours a day to try and avoid burnout. But starting this past weekend, I feel... tired? Like not physically tired but just tired of the exam overall. I've been on the grind for so long that I've grown tired of studying for it as well as dealing with all the highs and lows that come with the exam.

Took a LR section today and shockingly got -9 when I usually get -3/-4. I definitely felt that my attention was scattered and my desire to study and review after was pretty low.

Is this LSAT fatigue? Anybody else feel this or know how to counter it? I thought limiting my studying and sleeping well was helping so I'm not sure what is going on..

Hello,

I'm currently focusing on the LR part of the LSAT and I'm looking for a study buddy to take sections (separately) and then review/talk about answer choices with. I have improved from -15 on the first LR sections I took to -8 but I still have a long way to go. Please reach if you are interested. I'm in Pacific time and can meet over zoom either early mornings (8am PT) or later in the day (3-5pm PT).

Thank you!!