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sorry for the crazy title, really need help

So I came into studying about 6 months ago with a goal of 167+

Ive been hitting that goal score now under timed conditions doing 2 sections a day for some tests and full tests for others

Scores have been (in order)

75 - 167

58 - 168

42 - 167

43 - 168

44 - 160 (gave up cause frustrated at a game)

45 - 170

46 - 166

47 - 168

48 - 168

49 - 167

50 - 168

51 - 169

77 - 170

As far as how many PTS left, i have all except one of the 80s. And from 54-80 I have all of the evens.

im doing some retakes here and there some days just to keep my mind fresh, and ingrain the logic while learning some new things because I dont remember all the questions considering Ive done em months ago.

How should I prepare for the march 30th exam? Should I take even more PTS cause I have recent ones? Ive heard that maybe I should do one-two more recent ones and end it on a GOOD note, like a score im happy with so im confident into test day.

i dont want to burn too many tests, yet i also want to make sure im fully prepared. I dont want to burn out, yet i want to make sure im doing everything i can to get a high score

For reference, march 30th will be my first take and im prepared to take it in july and september for next cycle as well. With taht in mind, im not sure how many more tests I should do. I also want to make sure i dont "forget" how to do anything until march 30th, obviously. Sorry for long post, please help!!!

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Hi all... new here. Hoping to get some feedback on my plan. I don't have much in the way of peer applicants/mentors and would like to get some good eyes on this.

Applied with a cold 158 from the July '19 LSAT and didn't give it much more thought. Cycle outcomes thus far seem to indicate significantly better outcomes would be in range with a better score (acceptances up to BC and WL's at CLS, Cornell, USC, UCLA, WUSTL, etc.). Found 7sage and began the CC on 2/1. Am now doing the PTs, having completed 36-38 with the following results:

PT 36 161/BR172 LR -8/-3 RC -1/-0 LR -9/-3 LG -7/-3 Taken 2/26

PT 37 162/BR174 RC -1/-1 LR -6/-3 LG -12/-2 LR -2/-0 Taken 3/4

PT 38 170/BR178 LR -1/-0 LG -3/-1 RC -6/-3 LR -2/-0 Taken 3/9

My objective was getting off a waitlist (ideally CLS for a specific focus), but am now debating taking the test in March at all, as opposed to just looking toward a July-October retake for next cycle.

Goals: Criminal/Social Justice focus leading into CJ/government reform. Not opposed to BL for experience or if needed to service debt. Dream would be academia, but admittedly not realistic.

Other info:

3.85, non-trad career changer, 10 years WE law enforcement.

unhappy with outcomes this cycle... barring some huge negotiation success, I'm maybe 90% certain I won't deposit, though due to age and some not insignificant C&F issues, I do consider that I should just be thankful for what I got and make the best of it.

I feel like I could score higher on 3/30 but not as high as I could given more prep. I chose 3/30 because I would have significant difficulty doing a last minute acceptance due to location (Hawaii) and family considerations. Hope that doesn't sound presumptuous... I realize it is not likely.

Not crazy about debt or less than ideal scholarships off a WL, but am willing to incur reasonably proportionate debt. If I were to miracle my way into CLS, I'd pay sticker.

also, I think PT38 was a fluke. I felt like I did way worse. Looks like I just lucked into games that I was able to navigate. In general, I don't really feel confident on any section yet.

Should I:

continue to hit it hard for 3/30 for the WL with an eye on June-October for next cycle?

push back 3/30 to June/July for more prep time and just deal with it if I happen to get a last minute WL acceptance?

forget about the WLs and focus on a more reasonable intensity for June-October and do next cycle less stupid?

just negotiate scholarships and move forward with the best option this cycle?

Thank you for the feedback. Any opinion welcomed... just trying to nudge along my thought process. Been browsing the forum and wish I had discovered this place earlier!

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We will be hosting a Blind Review Session for the first Logical Reasoning Section of Prep Test 66 on Sunday March 15th at 3:00 pm Pacific Coast (6:00 pm East Coast).

This will be a peer lead review and we will be going over flagged questions chosen by the group. Prior to the blind review session please complete Prep Test 66, and complete your own blind review. Do Not check your answers. We will be focusing on process, understanding and strategy.

The link to join is below:

https://join.skype.com/HW01DVXTluPk

Note: You do not need to join our study group or preparing for the June Test to join this review session, all levels are welcomed

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Hi all! Just took my first PT post-curriculum and feeling down. I got a 163 on my first diagnostic in November (weakest section RC) and a 166 just now (weakest section 1 LR but the other I got 88% on...not sure what happened). I work 30 hrs/wk and am trying to find another job (10 hrs/wk), so it's hard for me to study as much as I want to.

I felt like I'd improved since November, having done the whole curriculum, and here I am. I'm taking the 4/25 test, and my goal is 172+. Is there any way I can make this happen, or should I expect to probably take the test again?

Thank you so much for your advice :)

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Hi guys! This is my first post here and my first LSAT course.

My original diagnostic was a 158. I took the October 2019 LSAT and scored a 164, though my PTs were averaging in the 167s towards the end. I have decided to retake the LSAT in August 2020 in the hopes of breaking into the 170s; due to some family issues I have only now gotten back into studying for the LSAT. Is it a stretch to think I can get into the mid 170s in only 5 months? Right now, I can devote a majority of my days to studying, but I will start working within the next two months. What is a realistic schedule I can set for myself? Obviously I plan on primarily using the 7sage course, but I also bought the LSAT Trainer, Logic Games Bible from Powerscore, and LR/RC from Manhattan Prep. I'm not really sure how to incorporate these into my studying. Any help or advice is appreciated!! Thanks!

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So I did a little experiment and did 3 questions from each Logical Reasoning stem and found that no matter how hard I try I keep getting Strengthening, Weakening, and Necessary Assumption questions wrong. It is probably my weakest LR family type I don't know if my brain just is not smart enough for the LSAT or it's because there is something off with my reasoning skills, but even after going over CC in this area I can't seem to get questions from the Assumption family correct no matter how hard I try.

Any tips?

Thank you 7Sage !

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Hi Everyone! Just wanted to get some advice as I am new to 7Sage. As my name implies I definitely want to score in the 99thpercentile. I have already been doing pretty well overall. In LR for example I am able to always narrow it down to two answer choices, but struggle to pick the right one. LG is mostly working out the timing issues, as on blind review I came almost always go minus 0 to minus 1, sometimes minus 2. In addition, I have struggled with timing on every section. As I just finished up the the first lessons before moving into main point question types, I found myself doing the questions without consciously looking for all of the referential phrases, comparative statements, context of the argument etc etc. After realizing I needed to be applying what I am learning to improve, I found once I did this I was obviously very slow. I wanted to gain two to three things from this post. First, what was everyone else's experience, especially those who had taken another prep course, like after they had gone through the initial lessons and then started applying the first basic steps. Did you just start the main point questions and go super slow until all of these skills became second nature? Even though I have gotten all of the questions right, I dont want to not apply what I am learning, because I 'll just be wasting my time if I keep doing what I did in the past. Second, what have you guys done to overcome timing issues? And lastly, after having listened to the 7sage podcast, I noticed a common thread of people was to get heavily involved in teaching and in being involved in the forums. My question is: what is the best way to do that? Is it simply to just go through the different questions posed here and writing explanations? Just curious to see what you guys are finding is working best to help improve your score and your overall mastery of the LSAT. Thank you all so much for you time and input in advance!

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One of the biggest barriers to getting the points on questions associated with curvebreaker stimuli and passages is understanding what the heck is going on in the text. Just like you need to understand how the rules of a game function/interact before going to into the ACs, you also need to understand the argument and concepts discussed in a stimulus or passage; otherwise, it's like shooting in the dark when you move into the ACs. Sometimes, I think we take the importance of up-front comprehension for granted. So, I wanted to broach the question to you all: what concrete strategies and/or tools do you use when you come across a complex, abstract text to understand/comprehend that text?

Here are some examples of the tools that I've found helpful/useful:

-translating the stimulus by condensing the language and making it conversational

-drawing out/visualizing

-thinking of examples and plugging them in to the world of the stimulus/passage

I'd love to hear what strategies and tools others use! Please share below :)

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What Be Good 7Sage!

Wanted to give y'all a heads up with how my application cycle went and where I will going...spoiler alert, going to the University of Georgia!

To preface, I want to put some info out regarding my demographics: Hispanic/ Latino (Checked the Mexican Box), Graduated Undergrad in December 2016 so been working a while, married, living in the Florida Panhandle, and am a first gen college student.

With my score being a 154, I understood that I would be below the majority of my choice schools' 25th percentile. Thus, I made it a point to follow the 7Sage admission course guide and have at least 3 safety, 3 target, and 3 reach schools.

I applied to the following schools: Seton Hall (Accepted w/ 10k scholarship offer, withdrew application), Miami (Was on hold, withdrew application), American (Accepted, withdrew application), Florida State (Rejected), Florida (Rejected), Washington and Lee (Was on hold, withdrew application), Cornell (Was on reserve, withdrew application), Emory (Never heard back, withdrew application), Alabama (Waitlisted), Virginia (Rejected), Vanderbilt (Rejected), and UPenn (Rejected).

I went into the application cycle knowing that my wife and I wanted to live in the Atlanta area after graduation, thus UGA made the most sense for us for law school. Knowing that I would have to over shoot my numbers, I made it a point to visit UGA prior to applying. I was able to meet with an assistant director of admissions, dean of the law school, and a first gen law school student coordinator on my visit. I applied regular decision the first day applications opened as I knew I would want to negotiate more scholarship money (if I got any) later in the cycle.

In December, after being told my application was on hold by the committee, I made it a point to send a school specific LOCI explaining why I wanted to go to UGA. I like to think that they liked the letter, as not even a few days after this I was notified of my acceptancemwith a 5k merit scholarship offer.

As I received other acceptances and another merit scholarship offer, I knew my time for negotiation would be coming soon. I received an email a few days ago stating that I would need to let them know if I was going to accept my merit scholarship or not by April 1. Thus, I called the admissions office and notified them I wanted to negotiate. I was able to get my merit scholarship up to $7,500 annually ($22,500 3 years) as well as have all my seat deposit fees waived. I understand that there is a possibility that I can negotiate for more as the cycle goes on, but for the time being this is where I am at.

All in all, I like to think that 7Sage really helped me overshoot my numbers and allowed me to go to the law school of my dreams. I write this in hopes of allowing others to see my thoughts in addition to be able to reach out to someone in the midst of the process. While not all of us can be 170+ LSAT takers, this does not mean that you cannot go to a T30 school! Keep your heads up and do the work.

Feel free to direct message me for any questions you may have. Thank y'all for the amazing journey. Not sure how much I will be on here after this with school starting in August, thus if you do not hear back from me on here in a few days shoot me an email at jonah.griego@gmail.com!

Faithfully 7Sager,

Jonah Chadwick Griego

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I have read a lot of forums on the lawstudents.ca site and I can't see too many people in a situation similar to mine. I definitely don't see many people admitted anywhere with a GPA as low as mine, so may be that's my answer.

I'm a mature student, I will have 7 years full time professional work experience in an advancing role by the time of application. I have a BScN Hons degree with 3.0 gpa on a 4.0 scale. I will have 5 years experience with monthly court room appearance representing the interests of a maximum secure forensic hospital. I also have a background as an RN working as a Team Leader on a forensic unit. I will have strong LORs, one from a previous professor who knows me well and I got an 87 in her patho class, one from my current manager and one from a Crown Attorney that I appear in court with on a monthly basis.

I have an official LSAT of 158. I am writing again in April with the hopes of raising that score to at least 160, however that's theoretical at this point. I'm also a realist and I think around 160 is probably the "best" I'll be able to manage in my current circumstance, so ya a 165 or 170 would be great but lets not go there.

Given my current score and other information what do ya'll think my chances are for any Canadian schools? I'm an Ontario resident although I would have no problem relocating since even Ontario school are many hours from my current home.

Thanks all for ready and for offering your realistic views :)

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Hey 7sagers,

I need some advice. I've been working in corporate america for the last two years. I have an amazing relationship with my boss, but the job gives me so much anxiety and is so demanding. Some events happened that allowed my boss to ask me to think about if I want to stay another year or not. She wants the best for me. We are good friends, but I cant work with her much anymore because she is the cause of a lot of my anxiety lol.

I'm thinking about quiting in June versus staying until I wear out my welcome lol. I'm sure she will give me a letter of recommendation but I'm concerned about how that may look to law schools. I'm planning to apply by october 1at this year. Quiting will allow me more time to craft my essays and take the lsat in August.

I feel like after all of the work I put into the company it's time for me to step out and believe in myself. After all I've been putting off law school for three years now.

I have family support and will live off my savings until I find something I love to do until law school starts. Any advice ? Will the gap from june to October look bad?

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Hi everyone,

I'm curious what you think. I want to practice law in the midwest or south, and I'm looking at schools like WUSTL, Vandy, and UT-Austin. I might send an app to GULC/Cornell just for the hell of it– I'm leaning a little toward NY BigLaw; not sure at this point, but if I get in at a t15 northeastern school, I'd heavily consider it. In addition to my gpa/lsat, I have cookie-cutter softs for a law school applicant, and assume average LORs and personal statement. I have some part-time work experience from undergrad and I'm taking a gap year to work as a court clerk before going to law school.

What do you guys think about my chances at the schools listed? I tried MyLSN and 7sage's predictor, but they're giving conflicting reports. 7sage says that I'd have ~80% chance at WUSTL, but the MyLSN graph shows a lot of people with my stats getting waitlisted/rejected. Also, are the 2019 ABA 509 reports for schools the official stats/medians for next cycle (fall 2020), or will schools come out with Class of 2023 stats later this year as the new application window opens?

Thank you all. I owe my improvement to 7sage!

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I've been wondering about a different approach to answering the questions in LR sections, in hopes of improving time and accuracy....has anyone heard of an approach where you would answers the LR questions by the type of question (MP, MSS, etc) instead of numerical order? For example, answering all of the MP questions first then tackling all of the MSS question and so on. Instead of jumping our minds from one type of question to another, could it help to tackle all the same type of questions together and then move on? Thoughts?

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7Sage Course Changes

Beginning on March 29th, our Starter, Premium, and Ultimate courses will no longer be available for purchase.

Instead, we will offer two subscription Ultimate+ options.

The first option is USD $69/month.

The second option is USD $599 for one year (12 months).

Both options are equivalent to the current Ultimate+ course in terms of content access. That means every single PrepTest, the entire Question Bank and Problem Set generator, all the video explanations, etc. In a word: everything. As new PrepTests get released and explanations made, they will be automatically added to your account.

But...

LSAC Changes

In order to use either option, you must have an active LSAC Prep Plus subscription from LSAC which they launched yesterday and for which they charge $99/year. You might have already heard about this from these two posts on reddit.com/r/lsat.

What wasn't mentioned is the fact that with the launch of LSAC Prep Plus, every student who wants to use a prep course that uses real LSAT questions must have an active LSAC Prep Plus subscription. That includes us, 7Sage, and any other LSAT prep course that uses real LSAT questions.

Again, this means that in order to purchase our course once the change takes effect on March 29th, you must have an active LSAC Prep Plus subscription ($99/year). For example, enrolling in our courses will cost:

Option 1: USD $69/month + $99/year for LSAC Prep Plus

Option 2: USD $599/year + $99/year for LSAC Prep Plus

Note that you only need one LSAC Prep Plus subscription no matter how many prep courses you use. That means that if you use prep courses from multiple companies, you don't need to purchase multiple LSAC Prep Plus accounts. You can use the same one. But, and I'm repeating myself, if you want to use any prep course that uses real LSAT questions, you must sign up for LSAC Prep Plus.

Grandfathered Courses

Students who get or already have a Starter, Premium, Ultimate, Ultimate+ course before March 29th will be grandfathered into the course they currently have. In short, this means that these changes do not affect you as long as your grandfathered course is active. You will still have the option to extend at the current rate.

For example, if your Premium course expires on July 1, then you will continue to have access to your Premium course until it expires on July 1. Or you can extend it. You will not need to purchase an LSAC Prep Plus subscription. Again, in short, you won't be affected by these changes. You can stop reading here.

The longer version is that for some but not all of the grandfathered courses, an LSAC Prep Plus subscription will actually be needed. But, if this applies to you, you won't need to pay the $99 fee. We will cover it for you. Obviously, we don't want to incur this fee, but we also don't want you to incur it either.

Questions

These are big changes and you probably have questions. Please ask. We'll collect your questions and answer with an update in a FAQ in a week.

FAQ Update

Question 1:

For grandfathered accounts, what extension options are available?

Answer 1:

Right now extensions are available for 1 month at a time only for $25/month. Soon, we will make them available for 1, 2, or 3 months at a time at $25/month. There will not be an option for automatic subscription for grandfathered accounts. If you wish to keep your grandfathered account active, you must manually extend before the account expires. Once the account expires, it will be gone and cannot be reactivated.

Question 2:

Can I enroll in the new Ultimate+ course (monthly or 12-months) right now or before March 29?

Answer 2:

Likely yes but our system is not yet ready. The planned transition date is March 29. If we can get it ready before then, we will let you know here.

Question 3:

Say it's May and I have a grandfathered account. I know that means I won't have to pay for LSAT Prep Plus ($99) but you said I "might be required to have one anyway." How will I be contacted if that applies to me and what will I need to do?

Answer 3:

If this applies to you then you will receive an invite email from LSAC saying that you have a subscription already. You just have to login to LSAC to accept it.

Question 4:

Currently, Starter, Premium, and Ultimate courses can upgrade and purchase new PrepTests as addons as they are released. After March 29, will this still be possible?

Answer 4:

Sorry, no. After March 29, there will no longer be any upgrades or purchase additional PrepTests addon options. Grandfathered S/P/U accounts (i.e. S/P/U accounts purchased before March 29) will only have the option to extend their existing account (see Question 1) or the option to enroll in the new Ultimate+ options.

Question 5:

Is it a better deal to purchase Ultimate+ now and get a grandfathered account or wait? It seems like it's a better deal to wait since it will be $50 cheaper ($599 + $99 LSAC Prep Plus) = $698 versus right now it's $749.

Answer 5:

It depends. The content and access time for both are the same. The costs are not.

Ultimate+ now is $749 with $25/month extension option.

Ultimate+ after March 29th is $599 + $99 LSAC PrepPlus for the first 12 month = $698. If you need to go over 12 months, you can extend at $69/month but you also need to repurchase LSAC PrepPlus for $99 again because it's an annual subscription.

So, if you're planning to study for 12 months or less, then probably waiting is the better deal. If you're planning to study for more than 12 months, probably getting a Ultimate+ now is the better deal.

For example, assume study time of 15 months.

Ultimate+ now is $749 + 3x$25 (3 month extension) = $824

Ultimate+ after March 29 = $599 + $99 (LSAC Prep Plus year 1) + 3x$69 (3 month extension) + $99 (LSAC Prep Plus year 2) = $1,004

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Hi,

I am a PhD student of Genetics in India. I am interested to work in IP law. However, I have no idea if there is any special requisite to apply for law colleges in Canada or if any special fellowships available (cause I won't be able to study law without fellowship). Also if it is ok to go from PhD in Genetics to law (I know many go from engineering field, but not sure if students come from biology field as well ). I have converted my undergraduate score (First division) to GPA, it is coming 4 but not sure if Canada schools convert the score for international student or they disregard it. Is Credential Assembly Service Authentication and Evaluation (CAS A&E) compulsory for international students? Will they convert my undergraduate scoring to GPA?

I will highly appreciate and grateful, if someone has answer these queries.

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I was thinking that having a customizable timer for problem sets would add tremendous value, specifically for doing timed LR sections. As it stands you can't take a 35 minute timed LR section if you build your own problem set (unless there's some way that i'm not privy to), which would be really beneficial. Is this a possibility/consideration for future modifications? @studentservice

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So, I’ve recently discovered that some people score significantly less on the actual test as compared to PTs. There is a general “rule of thumb” that you typically score -3 from what you PT at. So if my target score is a 160, should I be comfortably at 163 before considering the real test?

What’s even more scary is I’ve seen that people drop like -8 or more on the actual test. For someone like me who is aiming for a 160, that much of a drop is absolutely terrifying. If I were to drop that much (assuming I’m actually capable of scoring a 160) then my score wouldn’t be near the median of the schools I’m looking at applying to.

This whole concept of test day drops is literally keeping me up at night, especially since anxiety is something I’ve always struggled with. So, right when I think LSAT prep is already hard enough, there is this possibility that I don’t even score what I’ve worked so hard for:(

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