Hi all,

Does anyone have any recommendations for 7Sage tutors in the L.A. area? I may be open to tutoring via Skype (or other platforms) but would prefer in-person tutoring. My weakest section is the RC section. I am most comfortable with LG and typically do well on LR but often find myself second guessing and choosing a trap answer choice. Thanks in advance!

Hi all -

I attended a Doctoral program in Fall of 2014, hated it, realized I had to make some serious career path changes, and withdrew after 1 semester. Unfortunately, while I attended all classes until the end of the semester, my grades were deplorable, as I was pretty checked out. And I mean deplorable.

Do I assume correctly that regardless of the fact I withdrew so quickly, I still need to send in my transcript to LSAC?

This period in my life is pretty well addressed in my personal statement and an addendum, but any other suggestions to remedy this? My Undergrad GPA is 3.56 so obviously I would hope this one crap semester shouldn't be indicative of anything to admissions officers.

Thanks very much.

I have this focus problem and it is really throwing me for a loop. I will read a LR question and then the answers and then reread the question again. I am not to the point where i am timing myself but i did tome myself to see how long it was and it was 47 minutes..... is this normal in the beginning? Or am i far from PTing

8 long years ago I took two summer classes at two separate campuses of one institution (that has like 4-5 campuses). When I was putting in my "other institutions" all of the separate campuses showed up as an option. I normally would've just put the main campus for both of them (so for example, Farmville University vs Farmville University Fairview and Farmville University Midtown) but I compared that to another institution that has separate campuses and they only had the main campus listed as an option for that one, so like a total ding dong I took that as these separate campuses being discrete, separate places. I know, I should've done more due diligence then.

After sending both transcript request forms to the registrar (on the office of the main campus), they sent one transcript in. I contacted the registrar and they explained that because I was technically a declared student of "Fairview" the whole transcript (for both classes) was sent from there. So I contacted LSAC at LSACinfo@LSAC.org and explained my mistake and I am still waiting for a response or at least for them to take the other institution down. Has anyone dealt with this? Is it just a matter of they're slow and they'll get to me eventually or do I need to take further action?

tl;dr I made an honest (albeit slightly foolish) mistake reporting my other institutions, one of them just needs to be removed, I contacted LSAC via LSACinfo@LSAC.org and have not gotten any response.

So I'm getting ready for my 2nd attempt in November and while RC does take time to get better, I really want to make at least a little improvement. I've been hanging around the -10 to -12 mark and can't seem to get past it.

I struggle with the balance between seeing the forest and not seeing enough details. I don't make it to the 4th passage but I will skip one if I can't seem to catch on. I try not to get bogged down in details but then it seems I miss important info and then I'm sunk. If I could even just get it down to -7 or -8 that is a win for me. Just seemed to hit a wall here. Any thoughts are appreciated!!!

My current BR average is around 172. I'm wondering if I need to bring My BR score up to the high 170s in order to start PTing in the high160s to low170s. I figure it's gotta be nearly impossible to actually hit a 170 if your BR is only a couple points higher than that. What's a normal BR score for some of you high scorers?

Hi Guys, so I'm very curious about this factor since I'm not from the States

and really don't know how the LGBT+ members are doing out there.

I've read a dreadful article about a gay law student attempting suicide and am very shocked, worried and so on.

I have little knowledge of how the situation and the societal circumstances are for the LGBT+ students

and their future careers in law.

Is it a disadvantage for applying to law schools and getting a job after graduation?

Does discrimination againts it exist among the classmates and co-workers?

and is it more harsh in certain states or schools?(e.g. religious schools..)

Please give me some light! help me!

I have been a full time university student and worked full time as an office admin and sales rep so I have never had the time to participate in other EC's such as clubs or student councils. I have had extenuating family circumstances because i have an autistic brother whom I have had to dedicate a lot of time to and so that was another reason why i found little time to get involved in school with any other ec's. I am wondering will the lack of EC's have a negative effect on my applications (specifically Canadian law schools) or if working full time and having this family circumstance will make up for it? The reason I ask is if it is going to really have a bad look then I could possibly squeeze in some volunteering or join some clubs in the next month even though I really don't have much time left. If it is not going to be that big of a deal then I will just leave it. Thanks for the advice in advance guys!!!

I'm applying to 3 schools total, 1 much higher ranked out of state (obvious reach for me) school and 2 schools local to me that are obvious competitors and ranked close to each other. When asked in person by my reach (who actually mentioned one of them), I answered openly. However, does answering the optional question on the application "Which schools have you or do you plan to apply to?" benefit me as an applicant? I realize admissions committee are much better at this than I am and know that I'm applying to multiple schools, but is there a benefit to me in providing this information? Is there a way it could hurt my chances at any of the three schools (each of which have a legitimate chance of me going to for very different reasons)?

For context: I consider myself a competitive applicant for the 2 locals schools (above the 75th LSAT) and a stretch for my reach school (at 25th LSAT).

Pros / cons of providing the information?

Love to hear @"David.Busis" 's opinion as well :)

Edit to just bold the question in case its just too much reading.

ETA: I visited a law school today and asked this question directly to their admissions office. They responded with, "To try to determine who is serious about us. Its basically a way we guard our yield."

Hi all,

I got my PhD in Electrical and computer engineering and currently doing my postdoc in biomedical. I took LSAT Sep 2017 without any preparation and scored 137. I started to study for LSAT for about 5 months. I also took the power score classes in addition to 7 Sage. I studied all the materials and took most of the PTs. I also started to read books in train or bus, to improve my reading skills. In 2018 I scored 153. That was very discouraging to me. I wanted to give up but I still believe there should be a method for us as non- native to pass this exam. What I learned is I am not fast reader which I need to be. I know the principles but I am always short in time and this issue is very bold in RC. I will never get to finish more than 2 passages in RC. I can read science passages better than the others. When it comes to humanities or history,... I am the most dumb person ever :( I cant read and understand at the same time. Mostly, I need to read twice a passage to get the point. In LR, in the best case, I will miss last 3-4 questions. LR is better than RC because the questions are short and I wont loose the track. I can finish the games better than other sections.

If I want to try in one more time (I guess that is the last time I will try) in June 2019, what you will suggest? What else can I read/practice? How long each day should I study for LSAT?

I appreciate ant thought.

I know that the Nov LSAT is on the 17th. A lot of schools have their ED deadline as the 15th though, despite the website saying that students taking November LSAT are still eligible to apply ED. In this situation, do you have to call the school and tell them what's going on and they will make a note in your file?

How strange is it to go back to a life free from the confines of law passages and grouping games.

This morning when I got up, I made myself a cup of coffee and immediately went to sit down at my desk with a HB2 pencil in hand before eerily realizing I had no material to prep.

What is the meaning of life now?

How does one go from obsessively drilling parallel flaw questions one day to just binge-watching 4 hours of parks and rec the next?

Are drake and kanye really cool again? Has ye really forgotten about those kim remarks?

At the gym today, a fellow broski used the phrase ‘but not otherwise’ in conversation with me. I immediately went into a trance and spent the next 30 seconds trying to figure out which of the 4 available benches he could go on.

The mixture of concern, confusion and disgust on his face perfectly mirrored my outlook towards the now vacant LSAT-shaped hole in my heart.

Is soy really better than corn?

...Will I ever love?

My thoughts go out to my fellow 7Sagers suffering from post-LSAT blues.

I always see posts about timing for RC for people who have completed the CC and have decent fundamentals, but are having trouble going faster. Although I consistently still get -2 on RC, here's what I went through, to achieve a decent speed.

In the past, RC was always my weakest section, and in both actual tests, I ran out of time. Here's more details on the 2 things I did:

For example, on the September LSAT, there was a law passage that I honestly had no idea what it was talking about, but I knew what the author was trying to say, and how he or she felt about it. And from experience, I knew that even if I read it again, I simply wouldn't get it, because I lacked the technical knowledge.

If you're like me, and have relatively little background with law, this is a 6th sense you have to develop to do well in RC, and can only develop through doing countless difficult RC passages and analyzing each one slowly. I timed every passage, analyzed how big a difference it made in my understanding when I read it twice, on what type of topics were the differences the largest (which is how I knew rereading law passages were ineffectual for me), and timed every question, did them twice, and on the second time, analyzed any questions that took me over a minute and why it took me over a minute, and if possible, compared it to JY's live recordings for the same passage (I did this on top of the standard BR process, of course. In case you're wonder about the specific order: I do the BR after my second attempt, check for wrong answers after that, and then compare with JY's live recording last). This leads me to my second thing.

After recording, you then compare it to JY's recordings to see what you 'should' have done. This shaved off 4-5 minutes of my time, because I found out I refer back to passage way too often when I had no reason to (well, there's always reasons to refer back, but the cost/benefit is too high). This led me to develop my personal golden rule, which helped me shave off the 5 minutes: only refer back to the passage if the question refers to a specific section, or if you eliminated the answers down to 2 choices and remember where one of the two choices is in the passage; otherwise, just circle it and skip. Statistically, unless you can easily finish the section with 10 minutes left over, if you refer to the passage outside of those two specific conditions, then you are wasting more time than you have. Just imagine referring back to multiple parts of the passage and trying to compare them. We do this all the time in BR, but it takes at least a minute or two, time that you cannot afford on the real test. Side note: if you find yourself reading the answer choices more than twice, skip, because for RC, the stimulus is so large and confusing that it's much more unlikely for you to have an "Ahah!" moment when you re-read a question and it's answers, compared to LR.

Hope this helps someone.

I made a schedule for post CC and am planning on doing 2 PTs per week. What do you guys think would be the best?

I'm currently finishing a PhD program and applying to law school for next fall. Since most of the people I interact with are professors or aspiring professors, it can easily get at least two academic letters of recommendation. However, I'm not sure if I should stop there. So, my question is whether it would be better to have three academic letters of recommendation only or two academic letters plus one non-academic. It seems like most people go with the latter option, but that might be because undergrads tend not to have as strong of a relationship with the faculty as graduate students usually do. What's more, because I haven't had a non-academic job for over eight years, it's not exactly easy for me to get a solid non-academic reference. So, what do you guys think? Would three academic letters be better than two plus?

I am an ultimate+ user, but I cannot figure out how to print out PT 1-35. I want to practice writing on RC and LG. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks.

Hi! I am back and forth between purchasing a package with 7 sage, just wondering what some opinions are on here? I love the youtube logic game videos, but I just wanted some feedback. Any thing will help!!! Thanks!

Hello,

I experienced some setbacks when trying to get an LSAT score in for the 2019 cycle. I think Im just going to shoot for the 2020 cycle, BUT I just want to know what is the absolute last test I could take to get into Fall 2019? Is it November or January?

My stats:

144, 147, waiting on September results, I’m predicting anywhere between 149-151.

It sucks because going into the Sept exam i was averaging 153 and felt confident, but i ran out of time and didn’t bubble 3-4 questions in one section, and guessed on one whole game.

Would it look good to retake in November? Should I maybe cancel this September exam and retake November?

I’m leaning towards not canceling since I’m sure I did better that a 147.

Any help would be appreciated :)

Proctors: Very good about giving the five minute warning and reading instructions. No complaints.

Facilities: SUPER NICE. I've heard that people in the past who have taken it here had a crappy experience with desks, etc. but this test was administered in the business school instead of the law school so it was all brand new. I'm not sure if this is a permanent change or not.

What kind of room: Sort of a small/medium auditorium style classroom.

How many in the room: 20-30

Desks: Long table desks with three people at a desk/table with one empty seat between each tester.

Left-handed accommodation: See above.

Noise levels: One proctor got up to use the restroom during the test, so we heard the door open and shut, but nothing other than that one incident.

Parking: Free parking in a garage adjacent to the testing building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Exam started right around 9

Irregularities or mishaps: None

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again? Definitely!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: September 8th 2018

I wanted to share my story about transferring even though almost everyone will advise you against my approach and recommend instead that you take another year off to improve your LSAT score. I agree that you shouldn't go to a law school you wouldn't be comfortable graduating from, but also wanted to share my story on how I went to my 1L law school with the intention of transferring, and ended up successfully transferring. There isn't a lot of information about transferring out there, and I would have appreciated reading more transfer stories myself when I first started looking into it.

I decided pretty late in the 2016/2017 application cycle to apply to law school. I purchased 7Sage after a lot of research on prep courses and completed the ultimate course. I loved the course and found that it improved my score quite a bit, but it took longer than I was expecting and I soon realized by December that the February 2017 LSAT was my last shot to go to law school in fall 2017. By the time I completed the course, I only had time to do about 3-4 practice tests. I think around that time I was scoring close to 160, but with a 3.5 GPA (from a top 25 undergrad), I knew that I wouldn't have a shot at a T-14 school. The advice I got from everyone I talked to, and the 7Sage forum, was that I should delay a year and work and improve my LSAT score to get into a better law school. However, I kept thinking about how starting law school fall 2017 would already put me at 3 years between undergrad and law school (I did a master's in between). At that point I realized that I didn't want to take an extra year working in a random job after I had already made the decision to practice law. Despite everyone's advice, I decided that I would apply and go to law school with whatever I scored on the February test. I scored only a 156 and applied the day I got my score back with the help of the 7Sage admissions program. After hearing back from schools, my best option weighing scholarships with rankings was a school ranked 45-55 that gave me a half ride. Because I wasn't happy with my law school choice and the city it was located in, I started looking into transferring that summer and decided that my ultimate goal that year would be to transfer.

My 1L year started before everyone else's. I bought E&E's and started prepping about 4 weeks before school started. I read Getting to Maybe, completed LEEWS, skimmed Planet Law School and the Delaney books, and then worked through parts of the E&E's. Looking back on it I wouldn't recommend doing the E&E's before, because it's really so dependent on your professor, but I do recommend reading the other books before starting 1L. I think going into 1L thinking about transferring the whole first semester really motivated me. There were times when I wanted to go out and not study, but each time I kept reminding myself how much1L grades matter, how I really didn't like the city where my law school was located, and how badly I wanted to transfer. I think this worked for me at least as added motivation. After I got back my first semester grades, I was pleasantly surprised and realized that my plans to transfer were feasible. I asked 1L professors for recommendations in February and submitted apps to some schools ranked 14-25 by March. The benefit of applying early was that I heard back from all of those beginning of May, which took the pressure off a little bit for exams second semester. I committed to one of those schools and submitted a deposit, but once I got my second semester grades back and realized I did just as well as I had first semester, I decided to apply to my dream law school. I was so shocked and happy when I got in in July, and it felt like all my hard work 1L year had finally paid off. I am now at a T-6 law school---a school that I would have probably never had a shot at even if I had spent another year prepping for the LSAT by virtue of my undergrad GPA. My experience so far is that there hasn't been a transfer stigma at my new school, and I had a pretty good outcome at OCI and will be working at a V10 firm next summer, so there doesn't really appear to be transfer stigma among employers at my new school.

Although I didn't get in the conventional way, I couldn't be happier with my decision to do it the way I did. Obviously, this approach will not work for most due to the curve, but I just wanted to provide an example of how it can work for some people, and how your LSAT score doesn't always have to be the final determinant for which law school you graduate from.

(Final note: I have a friend that transferred to a T-3 this year and was able to get a substantial grant from the school, so although financial considerations may be another reason to not transfer and improve your LSAT score instead, it might still be possible to receive need-based grants as a transfer).

Hey guys, for those who have taken the LSAT at a major/big university, is this generally better or worse than taking it, say at a community college/smaller university?

When I take paper based exams, I like having large desk space to work on. I imagine for tests at a big university, I'm sure there are a lot of people sitting for the exam, so I would presume they make you take the test at a big lecture hall? But lecture halls usually have those tiny, fold-out desks, which would really suck to take the LSAT on.

Also, I just found out the university where I was planning to take the exam at, will have a home football game that Saturday in November (it's a Pac-12 big school). Do you guys think the noise factor will be something I should consider if deciding to choose this site (even though the test is in the morning, I'm sure the campus will be abuzz with students/parents/people, etc)?

Hi! I'm a older aspiring law student - looking to switch careers after 22 years. I don't have a date yet for a LSAT - maybe June 2019. Since I'm just starting to get my feet wet is okay to start with the basic package? Thanks for your assistance.

Does anyone share this opinion? The hosts are far too dogmatic regarding their advice...it's very strange to me for reasonable people to be so dogmatic - about reading the stem first, about whether "principle" questions exist, about whether "most strongly supported questions" are the same as "Must be true" questions, about timing strategies, and more. I can understand having preferences for how to approach the test, but it often seems like they take unreasonably strong stances on issues more as a pedagogic technique to get people to approach the test in the way that they think best, whereas if they were being purely reasonable they would recognize the potential benefits of alternate approaches even if ultimately they advise against them. It's also very strange that they basically write off 7sage PURELY because they recommend stem first on LR - they've gone as far as to say they can't trust any curriculum that gives that advice. That line of reasoning seems so clearly flawed that they must know it's unreasonable.

https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics/entering-class-profile

Not me... but I would love to meet this person: both because they must be exceptional to have a 154 and get into Yale, AND because they had the self-confidence to have a 154 and apply to Yale.

Anyone know other examples of super low LSAT scorers hitting above their weight in terms of admission?