I got I -> SC because I read it as if it's an immutable trait, then they qualify for the suspect class. Can someone please explain better why it's SC -> I?
I see a lot of comments complaining about the complexity and the fact that there is no video. Don't give up! What helped me was identifying the conditional premise (the first sentence sets up the rules of the game, that's how I think through it), then seeing the author state we don't have the necessary condition (plaintiff makes a showing that X characteristic of Y class is an immutable trait), and thus it is not possible for us to have the sufficient condition as well (membership in suspect class).
I hope this helps, I may have messed up with the language of the premises so take that with a grain of salt. Keep at it guys and don't give up!!
If you can, study partners or even someone to talk to along this journey helps a ton.
To qualify as a suspect class for purposes of equal protection analysis, plaintiffs must make a showing that the characteristic defining the class is an immutable trait. Plaintiffs have not cited any authority to support the conclusion that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic. The court therefore declines to find that plaintiffs constitute a suspect class.
Can you say an additional assumption that the judge makes is that they are assuming plaintiffs have not cited any authority to support the conclusion that another characteristic is an immutable characteristic? Other than homosexuality?
My breakdown (Long winded, mainly for my self but feel free to read if it helps)
Suspect class is the sufficient condition here, and plaintiffs making a showing is the necessary condition.
Membership in the suspect class is sufficient to be part of the plaintiffs making a showing class, but it is not necessary as there are other ways that one can make a showing that the characteristic's defining the class is an immutable trait.
The reverse of this that helps me further understand is that: Membership in plaintiffs making a showing is necessary to be part of the suspect class (sufficient condition), but it is not good enough (sufficient) because there could be more things you need to check in order for you to get into that smaller bubble of the suspect class.
The second sentence is where we see the contrapositive of "X is not a member of set B". This is shown by the sentence saying "Plaintiffs have not cited any authority to support the conclusion that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic". Basically to be part of B we need to show that characteristic's defining the class are immutable, and then the second sentence say "well, you actually haven't shown any characteristic defining the class (homosexuality I think) as an immutable.
This is finally ties back into the final sentence in the form of "If not B (Superset) than not a member of A (Subset). How is this shown? The court basically said "oh you don't have membership in set B (the superset), so we cant give you membership into set A (The subset)
Membership in set B being characteristics to define the class as immutable, and membership in set A being to qualify as a suspect class
I'm not understanding how they mapped it out SC->I because I started with I -> SC? Can someone explain how this was done. I saw another comment about it but still did not understand.
i love that he asked a bonus question - whether there was any assumption. as soon as i read that, i went back to the stimulus and found the assumption. nice!
Not sure if this is accurate but this was my setup. QSC (Qualify as suspect Class) CIT (classify as immutable trait). H (Homosexuality)
H /CIT
--------
H /QSC
So, since Homosexuality is not classified as an immutable trait, Homosexuality does not qualify as suspect class.
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I was beating myself up for confusing the sufficient and necessary in the first sentence.
The word "must" triggers the necessary.
This example helped me understand:
To enter the bar, you MUST be 21.
o If you are inside the bar--> you are 21
x If you are 21--> you are in the bar
I got I -> SC because I read it as if it's an immutable trait, then they qualify for the suspect class. Can someone please explain better why it's SC -> I?
I see a lot of comments complaining about the complexity and the fact that there is no video. Don't give up! What helped me was identifying the conditional premise (the first sentence sets up the rules of the game, that's how I think through it), then seeing the author state we don't have the necessary condition (plaintiff makes a showing that X characteristic of Y class is an immutable trait), and thus it is not possible for us to have the sufficient condition as well (membership in suspect class).
I hope this helps, I may have messed up with the language of the premises so take that with a grain of salt. Keep at it guys and don't give up!!
If you can, study partners or even someone to talk to along this journey helps a ton.
Could someone please break it down? I can't seem to understand this example
hi, is there a place on the site in which I can practice these?
I'm digesting the material but still need some practice.
SC -> I
h/I
-----
h/SC
To qualify as a suspect class for purposes of equal protection analysis, plaintiffs must make a showing that the characteristic defining the class is an immutable trait. Plaintiffs have not cited any authority to support the conclusion that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic. The court therefore declines to find that plaintiffs constitute a suspect class.
SC --> I
h/I
h/SC
Can you say an additional assumption that the judge makes is that they are assuming plaintiffs have not cited any authority to support the conclusion that another characteristic is an immutable characteristic? Other than homosexuality?
My breakdown (Long winded, mainly for my self but feel free to read if it helps)
Suspect class is the sufficient condition here, and plaintiffs making a showing is the necessary condition.
Membership in the suspect class is sufficient to be part of the plaintiffs making a showing class, but it is not necessary as there are other ways that one can make a showing that the characteristic's defining the class is an immutable trait.
The reverse of this that helps me further understand is that: Membership in plaintiffs making a showing is necessary to be part of the suspect class (sufficient condition), but it is not good enough (sufficient) because there could be more things you need to check in order for you to get into that smaller bubble of the suspect class.
The second sentence is where we see the contrapositive of "X is not a member of set B". This is shown by the sentence saying "Plaintiffs have not cited any authority to support the conclusion that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic". Basically to be part of B we need to show that characteristic's defining the class are immutable, and then the second sentence say "well, you actually haven't shown any characteristic defining the class (homosexuality I think) as an immutable.
This is finally ties back into the final sentence in the form of "If not B (Superset) than not a member of A (Subset). How is this shown? The court basically said "oh you don't have membership in set B (the superset), so we cant give you membership into set A (The subset)
Membership in set B being characteristics to define the class as immutable, and membership in set A being to qualify as a suspect class
yeah im cooked for sure
Ok I am so confused.
For some reason I did..
SC -> I
/h -> I
/I -> SC
how do you know not to do the arrows and to make it in exponent form?
Am I dissecting this correctly? :
Necessary Condition: I
Sufficient Condition: SC
So the Lawgic would be:
SC->I
hSC
-----
hI.
However, since the plaintiff didn't satisfy the necessary condition of 'I', the contrapositive would be...
/I-> /SC
h/I
----
h/SC.
I guess I'm getting hung up on the notation of the
SC-> I
h/I
----
h/SC.
Are you combining the two notations into one?
I didn’t like this example it was extremely confusing…
In order to be a rock climber, one must be an athlete. One is not an athlete, therefore one is not a rock climber.
QS --> SIT
They did not SIT.
/SIT --> /QS.
P/SIT.
Conclusion: /QS.
To get into Harvard, you must submit an application.
This doesn't mean if you submit an application, you'll get into Harvard.
Harvard Student -> Submitted Application
I'm not understanding how they mapped it out SC->I because I started with I -> SC? Can someone explain how this was done. I saw another comment about it but still did not understand.
What I did was:
I -> S;
!H^I
-----
!H^S
Where I = immutable trait; S = suspect class; H = homosexuality.
Can someone explain how I can get to the right answer?
I use the Speechify browser plug-in to read these lessons that don't have videos to me using Mr. Beast's voice. It's a trip.
Im a bit confused. shouldn't "I" represent immutable trait?
i love that he asked a bonus question - whether there was any assumption. as soon as i read that, i went back to the stimulus and found the assumption. nice!
I got it right! Drawing it out exactly as you have been demonstrating helped—consistency in form is key!
Does it matter if our member is the same? When I tried my go at this question this is how I did it
SC(suspect class) -> IT(immutable trait)
p(plaintiff)^IT
---------
p^/SC
Not sure if this is accurate but this was my setup. QSC (Qualify as suspect Class) CIT (classify as immutable trait). H (Homosexuality)
H /CIT
--------
H /QSC
So, since Homosexuality is not classified as an immutable trait, Homosexuality does not qualify as suspect class.