omg this was the first level 4 conditional reasoning question I have gotten correct (almost 3 weeks into beginning lsat prep, 1 week post beginning the foundations for conditional reasoning). I think translating it into lawgic really helps for this one as B verbatim mapped out what I had written down on my paper.
I initially got it wrong, but then got it right on the BR. It makes perfect sense, I just didn't read it because I thought A was right, but it's not because A gets the first clause with the second, in my opinion.
got it wrong initially but got it right in BR. I picked E since the question was confusing and I figured i make a guess since the LSAT likes to throw in BS inferred info
got it wrong at first because i had a wrong visual representation - i was trying to draw circles thinking it would be more helpful... But during blind review, got it right because i actually recognized the formal argument structure as soon as i switched from circles to arrows
I chose B because as it said in the passage, the cleanup and artistic event were happening simultaneously since they took place at the same location. Hence, while said cleanup people were doing their thing and receiving certificates, they must have ALSO not been involved in art, or at least not right now. All the other choices seemed too forward in dictating a certain condition and E was just unnecessary; "concern" wasn't mentioned in the passage.
@lmoore I could be misinterpreting how you've chosen to abbreviate the passage, but regardless, the way you've written it suggests there is a "most" concept and most is not indicated or implied in this passage. Many does not equal most. Many is a claim about a number or amount. Most is a claim about a proportion. So, your notation is not written logically.
@hjr210400 After coming back to it, it's a fair bit more obvious that my logic was wrong. I guess I was intending to notate it as many, but I notated it as most. Of course, as you mentioned, there is no most in the stimulus.
A little embarrassed I fell into the trap so easily after spending so much time talking about the traps. I think I didn't understand just how tempting that they were when written out in English, rather than how obviously wrong they were in the lessons. Won't make the same mistake again, I hope!
Got this correct, but had a "how to study" type of question -- Is it bad if I got the answer correct, but didn't catch how the negates "all" fits into B, but just intuitively got to the "some" conclusion?
Also, in every single LSAT question - is it recommended that you read through all of the answer choices before selecting the answer? For this one, I read until C and it was a no brainer that B was the correct answer, so I submitted it first and then went through all of the answer choices in the blind review. Wondering when taking the actual LSAT if that's bad practice.
@smileeugenie First off your intuition served you well in inferring the negated all if not overtly clocking how it was working. In this question there wasn't another answer choice that preyed on an imprecise understanding of that translation, but some questions will absolutely catch you out on little things like that. That is why diligent study of language is important for conditional logic questions in particular and for the test broadly.
Secondly, it can be right to move on once you found the answer. The test is so tightly paced that moving on once you've found the answer can help you save time. This is best for questions that are easy to predict the answer for though. However, I always flag questions where I skip some answers so that I can come back if I have time at the end. Like I mentioned before it can be easy to be imprecise with language when you are going fast, or there could be a better answer further down.
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I got this right but I'm a little confused as to how the wording of "many" isn't "some"?
Got it right my first time in 37 sec!!! no BR
I got it wrong both times :(
omg this was the first level 4 conditional reasoning question I have gotten correct (almost 3 weeks into beginning lsat prep, 1 week post beginning the foundations for conditional reasoning). I think translating it into lawgic really helps for this one as B verbatim mapped out what I had written down on my paper.
yay Thank God
FIRST TRY IN LIKE 10 SECONDS WOOOOOO
Spent 4 minutes going through the answers and choosing B, then second guessed myself and went with C.
this question is so hard, got it right first try, but it took me five minutes. lol
I got this right but I did it differently. Is how I did it correct? Or was I just lucky to end up with the same answer?
Participated in spring cleaning -> Certificate
Clean up participants <-s-> /Active
Conclusion: Certificate <-s-> /Active
Wait... This one was actually so easy for me for once. I do not understand how it is a four star! I think im getting better at this rn!
I initially got it wrong, but then got it right on the BR. It makes perfect sense, I just didn't read it because I thought A was right, but it's not because A gets the first clause with the second, in my opinion.
@jaydenca OMG same, but at first I thought B was correct, then I second guess myself but then I tripled guess myself and picked B LOL
got it wrong initially but got it right in BR. I picked E since the question was confusing and I figured i make a guess since the LSAT likes to throw in BS inferred info
got it wrong at first because i had a wrong visual representation - i was trying to draw circles thinking it would be more helpful... But during blind review, got it right because i actually recognized the formal argument structure as soon as i switched from circles to arrows
got it wrong at first but got it right in the BR! I'm starting to understand where I might fall for the wrong answer in some questions! Improvement.
I chose B because as it said in the passage, the cleanup and artistic event were happening simultaneously since they took place at the same location. Hence, while said cleanup people were doing their thing and receiving certificates, they must have ALSO not been involved in art, or at least not right now. All the other choices seemed too forward in dictating a certain condition and E was just unnecessary; "concern" wasn't mentioned in the passage.
apparently i misunderstood the concept of contrapositive
"Persons who are active in the town's artistic circles are not concerned with the town's environment"
I ended up interpreting 'each of the many people' as 'many of the people who did this each got this', so:
P -m-> SC -> RC
does that logically follow from the phrase, or did I just get lucky that the first part of the relationship wasn't asked about?
@lmoore I could be misinterpreting how you've chosen to abbreviate the passage, but regardless, the way you've written it suggests there is a "most" concept and most is not indicated or implied in this passage. Many does not equal most. Many is a claim about a number or amount. Most is a claim about a proportion. So, your notation is not written logically.
@hjr210400 After coming back to it, it's a fair bit more obvious that my logic was wrong. I guess I was intending to notate it as many, but I notated it as most. Of course, as you mentioned, there is no most in the stimulus.
solved right away what must be true in my head, but when i write it out in Lawgic I get confused , still need more practice i guess
A little embarrassed I fell into the trap so easily after spending so much time talking about the traps. I think I didn't understand just how tempting that they were when written out in English, rather than how obviously wrong they were in the lessons. Won't make the same mistake again, I hope!
I literally told myself "the two events could've been at the same place"
This one really challenged me.
solved this in my head and i got the correct answer with time to spare, which tells me that this module has really helped
Got this correct, but had a "how to study" type of question -- Is it bad if I got the answer correct, but didn't catch how the negates "all" fits into B, but just intuitively got to the "some" conclusion?
Also, in every single LSAT question - is it recommended that you read through all of the answer choices before selecting the answer? For this one, I read until C and it was a no brainer that B was the correct answer, so I submitted it first and then went through all of the answer choices in the blind review. Wondering when taking the actual LSAT if that's bad practice.
@smileeugenie First off your intuition served you well in inferring the negated all if not overtly clocking how it was working. In this question there wasn't another answer choice that preyed on an imprecise understanding of that translation, but some questions will absolutely catch you out on little things like that. That is why diligent study of language is important for conditional logic questions in particular and for the test broadly.
Secondly, it can be right to move on once you found the answer. The test is so tightly paced that moving on once you've found the answer can help you save time. This is best for questions that are easy to predict the answer for though. However, I always flag questions where I skip some answers so that I can come back if I have time at the end. Like I mentioned before it can be easy to be imprecise with language when you are going fast, or there could be a better answer further down.
Why is "Each of the many people" read as the group 1 quantifier "each" instead of "many"?
@malop91 "Each of the many people" is an overcomplicated way of saying everyone.
Each of the many people
every single one of the many people
all of the many people
all of the people.