Got this correct, but had a "how to study" type of question -- Is it bad if I got the answer correct, but didn't catch how the negates "all" fits into B, but just intuitively got to the "some" conclusion?
Also, in every single LSAT question - is it recommended that you read through all of the answer choices before selecting the answer? For this one, I read until C and it was a no brainer that B was the correct answer, so I submitted it first and then went through all of the answer choices in the blind review. Wondering when taking the actual LSAT if that's bad practice.
@smileeugenie First off your intuition served you well in inferring the negated all if not overtly clocking how it was working. In this question there wasn't another answer choice that preyed on an imprecise understanding of that translation, but some questions will absolutely catch you out on little things like that. That is why diligent study of language is important for conditional logic questions in particular and for the test broadly.
Secondly, it can be right to move on once you found the answer. The test is so tightly paced that moving on once you've found the answer can help you save time. This is best for questions that are easy to predict the answer for though. However, I always flag questions where I skip some answers so that I can come back if I have time at the end. Like I mentioned before it can be easy to be imprecise with language when you are going fast, or there could be a better answer further down.
@RosaVelez Me too! I read answer choice D about 5 or 6 times because the double negative just feels so hard to wrap my head around! They make it look so easy in the vid!! AHHH
It would be helpful to have more LSAT questions sprinkled through these lessons just like this. I know that may be coming later, but I think it could speed up understanding how the concepts apply to the test so we can focus more on drilling actual questions.
Is there a way to pull up questions by type, so we can drill ourselves on what we are currently learning?
@MattStickles Agreed! I actually think it would be especially nice to have them in the skill builders. I crush those, but once I'm faced with diagraming an actual LSAT stimulus I'm totally lost.
got it wrong first take. tbh i didnt diagram anything. then i did blind review and actually wrote it out and realized how obvious it was. i hate to admit it but it helped and got it right after reading out my conclusion LOL.
DANNGGG they got me with this one, i def had in my head that the clean up and the fair happened at the same time.. got it right on BR though so better than nothing!
"Because the spring cleanup took place at the same time as the downtown arts fair, we know that there are at least some spring cleanup participants who are not active in the town's artistic circles."
Isn't there a (supporter) necessary assumption here that one could not do both the spring cleanup and the arts fair?
I know the explanation says this can't be inferred, but I'm not understanding how not inferring this isn't necessary for the conclusion to follow (i.e., since the stimulus indicated its conclusion with "Because").
@FultonHoover We're just meant to come up with a conclusion if the statements are true. The statement from the prompt doesn't contain a completely valid argument, but for our purposes in this question, we don't care about that. We just care about what we can conclude if everything in the prompt is true.
@FultonHoover I've realized its a challenge in itself to make sure you are understanding the question you're being asked correctly, so you aren't alone! I've definitely gotten some wrong due to exactly that. Its crazy how our brains will just make connections that aren't there!
Is it incorrect to say ["some" (in place of "each of the many") people who participated in the town's annual cleanup received a community recognition certificate] and diagram it like (participated <- S -> certificate) ?
@AlexHaro Just to be clear, are you thinking that A must be true? Or just thinking that A could be true and asking why it's wrong because it could be true?
A could be true. But we're asked for what must be true.
@coopermooney02 You could think of it as each person that attended the spring cleanup got a recognition certificate. Therefore, if you went to the spring cleanup, then you received a cert.
this made me feel like a genius lol. I just ignored everything but the lawgic and got it right and under the recommended time (im ALWAYS over). yay!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Got this correct, but had a "how to study" type of question -- Is it bad if I got the answer correct, but didn't catch how the negates "all" fits into B, but just intuitively got to the "some" conclusion?
Also, in every single LSAT question - is it recommended that you read through all of the answer choices before selecting the answer? For this one, I read until C and it was a no brainer that B was the correct answer, so I submitted it first and then went through all of the answer choices in the blind review. Wondering when taking the actual LSAT if that's bad practice.
@smileeugenie First off your intuition served you well in inferring the negated all if not overtly clocking how it was working. In this question there wasn't another answer choice that preyed on an imprecise understanding of that translation, but some questions will absolutely catch you out on little things like that. That is why diligent study of language is important for conditional logic questions in particular and for the test broadly.
Secondly, it can be right to move on once you found the answer. The test is so tightly paced that moving on once you've found the answer can help you save time. This is best for questions that are easy to predict the answer for though. However, I always flag questions where I skip some answers so that I can come back if I have time at the end. Like I mentioned before it can be easy to be imprecise with language when you are going fast, or there could be a better answer further down.
Why is "Each of the many people" read as the group 1 quantifier "each" instead of "many"?
@malop91 "Each of the many people" is an overcomplicated way of saying everyone.
Each of the many people
every single one of the many people
all of the many people
all of the people.
I get all the practice questions right but I'm a couple minutes over each time
The double negatives are still kicking my butt but excited that drawing them out is helping.
@RosaVelez Me too! I read answer choice D about 5 or 6 times because the double negative just feels so hard to wrap my head around! They make it look so easy in the vid!! AHHH
as someone who struggled a lot with the skill builders it was VERY reassuring to get this correct and help me no longer feel like a lost cause.
@EmilyEckenroth right!! I can literally feel the hard work paying off from those skill builders
It would be helpful to have more LSAT questions sprinkled through these lessons just like this. I know that may be coming later, but I think it could speed up understanding how the concepts apply to the test so we can focus more on drilling actual questions.
Is there a way to pull up questions by type, so we can drill ourselves on what we are currently learning?
@MattStickles We're adding more! If you want similar questions, you can filter for MBT and Quantifier.
@MattStickles Agreed! I actually think it would be especially nice to have them in the skill builders. I crush those, but once I'm faced with diagraming an actual LSAT stimulus I'm totally lost.
got it wrong first take. tbh i didnt diagram anything. then i did blind review and actually wrote it out and realized how obvious it was. i hate to admit it but it helped and got it right after reading out my conclusion LOL.
DANNGGG they got me with this one, i def had in my head that the clean up and the fair happened at the same time.. got it right on BR though so better than nothing!
My entire diagram of this was correct, and I still got jumbled in the reverse language of the answer choices.
15 seconds over! Not bad!
"Because the spring cleanup took place at the same time as the downtown arts fair, we know that there are at least some spring cleanup participants who are not active in the town's artistic circles."
Isn't there a (supporter) necessary assumption here that one could not do both the spring cleanup and the arts fair?
I know the explanation says this can't be inferred, but I'm not understanding how not inferring this isn't necessary for the conclusion to follow (i.e., since the stimulus indicated its conclusion with "Because").
What am I missing?
@FultonHoover We're just meant to come up with a conclusion if the statements are true. The statement from the prompt doesn't contain a completely valid argument, but for our purposes in this question, we don't care about that. We just care about what we can conclude if everything in the prompt is true.
@JustinWeich I see. Guess I was just giving too much thought to this. Thank you
@FultonHoover I've realized its a challenge in itself to make sure you are understanding the question you're being asked correctly, so you aren't alone! I've definitely gotten some wrong due to exactly that. Its crazy how our brains will just make connections that aren't there!
@MattStickles exactly! Those assumptions are dangerous!
Thank god im not a complete chud
hurt my brain but we did it
Finally got one right in a reasonable time lol.
Is it incorrect to say ["some" (in place of "each of the many") people who participated in the town's annual cleanup received a community recognition certificate] and diagram it like (participated <- S -> certificate) ?
@ognikooo Wait. I got it. "Each of the Many" is "All"...
Is anyone else selecting the correct answer but it get marked as incorrect?
Clarification: Is B true because the some arrow can be flipped?
i got it right!! should i feel hopeful for this exam?
I got it correct!!!! I was so close to picking A bc of overthinking but I was like nope this is my answer. It's only up from here :)
I got it correct! Over 3:42 seconds to do so though. Will we practice going down in time?
@MRod I really hope so M Rod.
The main takeaway from every lesson is -- every word is important!
I got it correct !!!!
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@AlexHaro Just to be clear, are you thinking that A must be true? Or just thinking that A could be true and asking why it's wrong because it could be true?
A could be true. But we're asked for what must be true.
got it correct
I’m still trying to understand why “each of the many” does not mean “some”? I saw many and immediately made it “some”.
@coopermooney02 You could think of it as each person that attended the spring cleanup got a recognition certificate. Therefore, if you went to the spring cleanup, then you received a cert.
@dsandi I don't know if that's helpful tho
@dsandi yes, “each” needs to be emphasized, because whether there are 1,5,10,15 - each of them got the cert.
this made me feel like a genius lol. I just ignored everything but the lawgic and got it right and under the recommended time (im ALWAYS over). yay!!!!!!!!!!!!