What is the best way to study question formatting. I feel the sooner I can recognize that this is a premise, conclusion, counter premise example, or other structures, the more efficiently I can move through the problem.
But right now all i can think to do is maybe copy the stimulus, annotate it, and just keep it as a reference, but to me this feels ineffective.
@KeziaH19 don't think the point here is to take notes--rather it is to practice. At the end of the section there is a review MC and that goes over all the things we practiced.I would utilize that for note taking. I am also building a notebook of all the You Trys where I explain why each answer choice is wrong/right, so I can refer to it to see common traps when I get to harder MC questions.
#feedback it would be helpful to show all the answer choices, instead of the correct one and the instructor convincing us why that is the correct answer. I'm not able to figure out the answer on my own if only the correct answer is shown or if only certain answers are visible.
@SabrinaB127 I agree!! but there is a show question button on top where you can see the question first without getting the answer right away like a practice test question :) i hope this helps
I feel that now, all the foundational lessons are coming together in my head. Feels great. I am able to SNIPE the conclusion without having to read the entire paragraph.
Returning back here from NA looking for the first time Prescriptive vs Descriptive claims are discussed because I felt like somehow I missed this concept and seems pretty important now. I realize now the written lesson is slightly different from the video. I mostly watch the videos so I missed this introduction. Would be great to have some sort of index/ glossary for review purposes. #Feedback
It would be helpful if all of the answer choices are presented and then the speaker goes thru each instead. Just starting by showing the correct answer from the get go makes it harder to follow honestly.
This one was interesting. The explanation on induction logic made perfect sense to me as that is how I understood the stimulus as I read it, and as such speculated that answer A was indeed the conclusion. The wrong answer reasoning is that the author accepts it to be true automatically and then provides an example which is not justification for her belief. But i find it hard to wrap my head around this. If someone makes a statement (ie a rule), and I ask them to convince me that the rule is true, would not their best chance of doing that be to provide examples (ie evidence)? I interpreted the piano example as support for the conclusion statement of how musical instruments are classified. Im glad to have watched this lesson however, so I know how to apply this rule moving forward.
For me, answer choice A was wrong, aside from the fact that it's paraphrasing the premise, not the main conclusion, because it's prescriptive (uses the word 'should') when the context in the premise is descriptive...is that correct?
#help why is the first sentence a premise instead of context? I'm having a little hard time seeing how it supports the conclusion and doesn't serve as background info
I am not able to understand why you say that the first premise: Classification based on mechanical action does not have support and that the author is just laying it out just like that without any justification. The last premise indicates that because strings are hit by the hammers, it produces sound, which I am aware is a support to the conclusion but can it also not be a support for the first premise since hammering is a mechanical action described here.
I was confused for a second about what the conclusion is between the 2 since there seemed to be support for the first premise, but seeing that there was more clarifying evidence about piano being a percussion instrument. I picked the piano argument as a conclusion.
Please clarify if I am misunderstanding something.
I think the misunderstanding is conflating the application of the rule as "support". For me it's helpful to ask myself "why should I believe this" when determining support for a conclusion.
The first premise: "Classification of a musical instrument depends on the mechanical action through which it produces music. "
Second premise: "the strings of a piano are caused to vibrate by the impact of the hammers."
Now, really looking at just those two statements, does the second premise honestly help us answer the question "why should I believe the first statment?", does it give us an answer as to WHY musical instuments are classified by mechanical action, rather than some other form of classification?
Another thing I think would help with misunderstanding is that when looking at the contrasting "other peoples opinions" (i.e. the people who think the piano is a string instrument) and the Musicologist's opinion (I.e. piano is a percussion instrument), there is no disagreement on whether "mechanical action" is the correct form of classification. They all agree that classification depends on mechanical action but one group thinks that the correct mechanical action is strings vibrating while the other group thinks that the mechnical action is the impact of the hammers. The rule is not up for debate but how you apply the rule is.
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In these video lessons, I would love if they could get a chance to guess the answer before they give the right answer.
Would PSAr questions be an argument by induction then?
What is the best way to study question formatting. I feel the sooner I can recognize that this is a premise, conclusion, counter premise example, or other structures, the more efficiently I can move through the problem.
But right now all i can think to do is maybe copy the stimulus, annotate it, and just keep it as a reference, but to me this feels ineffective.
how are y'all taking notes on this lesson?
@KeziaH19 don't think the point here is to take notes--rather it is to practice. At the end of the section there is a review MC and that goes over all the things we practiced.I would utilize that for note taking. I am also building a notebook of all the You Trys where I explain why each answer choice is wrong/right, so I can refer to it to see common traps when I get to harder MC questions.
#feedback it would be helpful to show all the answer choices, instead of the correct one and the instructor convincing us why that is the correct answer. I'm not able to figure out the answer on my own if only the correct answer is shown or if only certain answers are visible.
@SabrinaB127 I agree!! but there is a show question button on top where you can see the question first without getting the answer right away like a practice test question :) i hope this helps
@GabrielleFils-Aime Thanks for this I literally did not even see that button.
I am getting these all right!!! WOO HOO.
I feel that now, all the foundational lessons are coming together in my head. Feels great. I am able to SNIPE the conclusion without having to read the entire paragraph.
So pretty much these "most accurately expresses the main conclusion" questions equate to "which of the following most accurately paraphrases'?
Returning back here from NA looking for the first time Prescriptive vs Descriptive claims are discussed because I felt like somehow I missed this concept and seems pretty important now. I realize now the written lesson is slightly different from the video. I mostly watch the videos so I missed this introduction. Would be great to have some sort of index/ glossary for review purposes. #Feedback
If 'so' in line 2 of the stim changes to 'for example', then will A be the right answer?
LOL, why not show a picture of how the piano works?
It would be helpful if all of the answer choices are presented and then the speaker goes thru each instead. Just starting by showing the correct answer from the get go makes it harder to follow honestly.
@GabrielleEarley prior to watching the video, click “show question”. it is underneath the header next to “bookmark” and “dicussion
If only I could apply my prowess with these questions to MBT questions....
@kyorofan20 we got this
The video says the author doesn't support the general rule. I see that. How I broke down the argument is buy
1. Gereral rule,
2 application of rule,
and 3 support of application.
Does that structure make sense to other people?
@AlizaGGG Yes. I didn't see the first sentence as a premise, but rather as context.
Anyone confuse the first premise as context?
#feedback the subtitles say "outside" before 0:25 when it should be "LSAT"
Hi there,
Thanks for catching that! The closed caption has been corrected.
Feel free to reach out if you notice anything else or have any questions!
This one was interesting. The explanation on induction logic made perfect sense to me as that is how I understood the stimulus as I read it, and as such speculated that answer A was indeed the conclusion. The wrong answer reasoning is that the author accepts it to be true automatically and then provides an example which is not justification for her belief. But i find it hard to wrap my head around this. If someone makes a statement (ie a rule), and I ask them to convince me that the rule is true, would not their best chance of doing that be to provide examples (ie evidence)? I interpreted the piano example as support for the conclusion statement of how musical instruments are classified. Im glad to have watched this lesson however, so I know how to apply this rule moving forward.
Why is this lesson optional? Just wondering
I wish i could see all of the answer choices before he just dives into explaining why E is right #feedback
Click the "quickview" button above the video -- this is available for every single Lesson and You Try.
Thank you!
Thank you!!!!
For me, answer choice A was wrong, aside from the fact that it's paraphrasing the premise, not the main conclusion, because it's prescriptive (uses the word 'should') when the context in the premise is descriptive...is that correct?
#help why is the first sentence a premise instead of context? I'm having a little hard time seeing how it supports the conclusion and doesn't serve as background info
the first sentence helps the understanding of the third sentence which in turn both help support the conclusion
hi
I mistook the first sentence as the context instead of the conclusion. Does anyone have any tips on how to not make this mixup again?
Wait the first sentence is context/premise not the conclusion !
I am not able to understand why you say that the first premise: Classification based on mechanical action does not have support and that the author is just laying it out just like that without any justification. The last premise indicates that because strings are hit by the hammers, it produces sound, which I am aware is a support to the conclusion but can it also not be a support for the first premise since hammering is a mechanical action described here.
I was confused for a second about what the conclusion is between the 2 since there seemed to be support for the first premise, but seeing that there was more clarifying evidence about piano being a percussion instrument. I picked the piano argument as a conclusion.
Please clarify if I am misunderstanding something.
I think the misunderstanding is conflating the application of the rule as "support". For me it's helpful to ask myself "why should I believe this" when determining support for a conclusion.
The first premise: "Classification of a musical instrument depends on the mechanical action through which it produces music. "
Second premise: "the strings of a piano are caused to vibrate by the impact of the hammers."
Now, really looking at just those two statements, does the second premise honestly help us answer the question "why should I believe the first statment?", does it give us an answer as to WHY musical instuments are classified by mechanical action, rather than some other form of classification?
Another thing I think would help with misunderstanding is that when looking at the contrasting "other peoples opinions" (i.e. the people who think the piano is a string instrument) and the Musicologist's opinion (I.e. piano is a percussion instrument), there is no disagreement on whether "mechanical action" is the correct form of classification. They all agree that classification depends on mechanical action but one group thinks that the correct mechanical action is strings vibrating while the other group thinks that the mechnical action is the impact of the hammers. The rule is not up for debate but how you apply the rule is.
hope this helps!
Could E also be a better answer than A because A uses the word should whereas that is not said in the stimulus?
Absolutely! We should always avoid "strong" language
If instead of "so the piano...", it said ,"for example, the piano...", would A be the correct answer?