The stimulus implies that a combination of two or more antibiotics currently on the market might be powerful enough to eliminate bacterial species X completely
@FultonHoover because 1 is not enough so it is implied that 2 or more is necessary. It does not mean that 2 is enough to do it, but it will take at least 2, since 1 is insufficient.
I thought B was the obviously wrong answer, because it said "if any antibiotic now on the market," and I was like, "but the stimulus clearly said there isn't any antibiotic now on the market powerful enough, so now what?" Also, I did not really know what "virulent" really meant.
I was thinking that B is wrong because it's possible that some combination of antibiotics currently on the market could eliminate species X, but I guess "any antibiotic" implies "any single antibiotic"?
I thought B is wrong because the text contained 80% of B and I was thinking it's too easy to choose this answer so I picked A then D which was a TRAP. I need to read to really read and understand
I eliminated (E) because based on the stimulus, it doesn’t state that any antibiotic was actually used on bacteria X. It could just be assuming “no single antibiotic now on the market is powerful enough”. E) makes the jump to say they have been used and bacteria as become resistant to some without a clear claim in the stimulus
Is anybody else getting these questions right without mapping out the conditional logic? I worry that this might hurt me in the future, but it is quicker for me to read through the answer choices and pick the right answer without thinking about sufficient/necessary conditions.
@ErikaMartinez99 My understanding of the course is that mapping it out is supposed to help develop the instinct needed. There's nowhere near enough time to map out every question on the test. I'm in a similar spot and I think we both are able to instinctually hunt the correct answer.
I got this wrong for both actual and BR :( I really do suck at MSS. I looked at the question the third time and it clicked. I used rule and exception and solved it in under 40 secs.
Domain: Bacterial Species
Rule: Antibiotic -> Greater resistance
Exception: Eliminated.
X is not eliminated so exception does not apply. So, the rule applies. Therefore,
Antibiotic(x)
------------------
Greater resistance(x)
If anyone is struggling with logic for this question, I hope this explanation helps.
Edit: this comment was written before watching the video lmao
@DominicCruse you have to walk before you run so I wouldnt be too worried about it. At this point we are supposed to focus on accuracy... speed will come in after during practice tests. Better 7min and right than 1min and wrong (at this stage).
For E, what about the fact that the passage doesn't explicitly specify that an antibiotic is or has been used against X? I was thinking E was wrong because the passage doesn't specify that antibiotics were ever used on X before
So Im trying to get quicker at realizing what the conditions are, but ultimately I am finding the answer much quicker with a process of elimination, still taking at least a minute, minute 20, but that is helping for some of these MBT and MSS questions.
My issue is not reading closely enough even though I'm taking my time. I completely skipped over B and what it said for some reason and thought it said something different, I feel dumb lol.
As justification for why answer choice E is wrong, would it be incorrect to say that the passage does not support/only weakly supports that there have even been antibiotics used on species X
@AlizaGGG Makes sense. Thanks, I couldn't figure out the Lawgic for this one. From what I can see your diagram works. The explanation video didn't clear it up.
@AlizaGGG I used group 3 conditional logic as well. I was following your outline up until the part you put:
"for X /ACE", and I didn't understand what that meant.
However, I did acknowledge that:
"----------"
X(BDR) meant "therefore, species X will develop greater resistance"
But I recognize the discussion text box has limitations when trying to illustrate membership using Lawgic. I would've written it "species x(/ACE)" similarly to how you wrote "species x(BDR)".
Then when translating back to English, I would've written:
For species X has membership in not being completely eliminated by antibiotics (why??) because the stimulus tells us. Therefore, species X will develop greater resistance.
No discredit to you! I wanted to adapt some of your breakdown to make it easier for me (or someone thinking like) to understand. Because I initially used group 3 conditional logic. I completely forgot about applying rule/ exception.
@landonekatz I agree. I was about to write down this comment, but saw you already did. I chose correctly, but felt like J.Y. missed the most clear reason why we can't choose E. Sure, I guess it is possible that the antibiotic is in the exception, but that is much more confusing since the stem says no antibiotic right now is in that exception.
Thought E was wrong because it says 'to at least some.' if the resistance development is inevitable, then it would have to say 'to all' used against it.
I keep getting frustrated because I get the question wrong on my first try, then I get it right in the blind review. It's good that I am getting them right, I guess it is just a matter of having my blind review thinking while under time pressure. I guess my main problem is, when should I start worrying about time pressure? Is now (2 months in) too early?
I think the "worrying" part is greatly dependent on when you are expecting to take the exam. Personally, I don't think that working through time pressures still at only 2 months in is a great concern quite yet...maybe just something that you need to be more mindful of moving forward. What helped me the best with time pressure is just ignoring the clock completely. 9/10 times it actually helps me shave off a decent amount of time when I don't look at the timer at all.
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AHHHHHH 22 seconds over!!
I got it right but my timing is awful!
I just need to slow down and red the stimulus to understand what I am reading.
dude i need to stop second guessing i was between B and E
@ps939 SAME
damn... I should have gotten that.
The stimulus implies that a combination of two or more antibiotics currently on the market might be powerful enough to eliminate bacterial species X completely
How is this implied?
@FultonHoover because 1 is not enough so it is implied that 2 or more is necessary. It does not mean that 2 is enough to do it, but it will take at least 2, since 1 is insufficient.
yaya got it right!
I thought B was the obviously wrong answer, because it said "if any antibiotic now on the market," and I was like, "but the stimulus clearly said there isn't any antibiotic now on the market powerful enough, so now what?" Also, I did not really know what "virulent" really meant.
Woohoo got it right!
I was thinking that B is wrong because it's possible that some combination of antibiotics currently on the market could eliminate species X, but I guess "any antibiotic" implies "any single antibiotic"?
I thought B is wrong because the text contained 80% of B and I was thinking it's too easy to choose this answer so I picked A then D which was a TRAP. I need to read to really read and understand
i fell for e ;-;
I eliminated (E) because based on the stimulus, it doesn’t state that any antibiotic was actually used on bacteria X. It could just be assuming “no single antibiotic now on the market is powerful enough”. E) makes the jump to say they have been used and bacteria as become resistant to some without a clear claim in the stimulus
Is anybody else getting these questions right without mapping out the conditional logic? I worry that this might hurt me in the future, but it is quicker for me to read through the answer choices and pick the right answer without thinking about sufficient/necessary conditions.
@ErikaMartinez99 My understanding of the course is that mapping it out is supposed to help develop the instinct needed. There's nowhere near enough time to map out every question on the test. I'm in a similar spot and I think we both are able to instinctually hunt the correct answer.
I got this wrong for both actual and BR :( I really do suck at MSS. I looked at the question the third time and it clicked. I used rule and exception and solved it in under 40 secs.
Domain: Bacterial Species
Rule: Antibiotic -> Greater resistance
Exception: Eliminated.
X is not eliminated so exception does not apply. So, the rule applies. Therefore,
Antibiotic(x)
------------------
Greater resistance(x)
If anyone is struggling with logic for this question, I hope this explanation helps.
Edit: this comment was written before watching the video lmao
I got the right answer, however I was way over the target time of 1 minute. Specifically, it took me 7 minutes to get this right.
At this point in the course, how concerned should I be that it took me this long to get the answer?
@DominicCruse you have to walk before you run so I wouldnt be too worried about it. At this point we are supposed to focus on accuracy... speed will come in after during practice tests. Better 7min and right than 1min and wrong (at this stage).
For E, what about the fact that the passage doesn't explicitly specify that an antibiotic is or has been used against X? I was thinking E was wrong because the passage doesn't specify that antibiotics were ever used on X before
@MacSelesnick I was thinking the same thing. That's why I didn't like it.
So Im trying to get quicker at realizing what the conditions are, but ultimately I am finding the answer much quicker with a process of elimination, still taking at least a minute, minute 20, but that is helping for some of these MBT and MSS questions.
My issue is not reading closely enough even though I'm taking my time. I completely skipped over B and what it said for some reason and thought it said something different, I feel dumb lol.
As justification for why answer choice E is wrong, would it be incorrect to say that the passage does not support/only weakly supports that there have even been antibiotics used on species X
@DanFarrell Yes, the passage doesn't say whether or not any antibiotics have been used against it at all, so it is unsupported.
I used conditional logic group 3 with the unless and treated the conditional as single concept.
Bacteria Develop Resistance (BDR)
Antibiotic completly eliminated the species (ACE)
using the uncless group 3 I picked one and negated it and made it sufficient
/BDR--> AEC
take the contrastive
/AEC--> BDR
for X /AEC
-------
X(BDR)
for X species of bacteria, it will develop antibiotic resistance. t
then I went hunting and (B) was by the closest.
I got the right answer but I'm worried I just landed there accidentally. can someone check mu logic?
@AlizaGGG Makes sense. Thanks, I couldn't figure out the Lawgic for this one. From what I can see your diagram works. The explanation video didn't clear it up.
@AlizaGGG I used group 3 conditional logic as well. I was following your outline up until the part you put:
"for X /ACE", and I didn't understand what that meant.
However, I did acknowledge that:
"----------"
X(BDR) meant "therefore, species X will develop greater resistance"
But I recognize the discussion text box has limitations when trying to illustrate membership using Lawgic. I would've written it "species x(/ACE)" similarly to how you wrote "species x(BDR)".
Then when translating back to English, I would've written:
For species X has membership in not being completely eliminated by antibiotics (why??) because the stimulus tells us. Therefore, species X will develop greater resistance.
No discredit to you! I wanted to adapt some of your breakdown to make it easier for me (or someone thinking like) to understand. Because I initially used group 3 conditional logic. I completely forgot about applying rule/ exception.
I think E is better unsupported by the fact that it is never stipulated that any antibiotics have been used on bacteria X at all.
@landonekatz I agree. I was about to write down this comment, but saw you already did. I chose correctly, but felt like J.Y. missed the most clear reason why we can't choose E. Sure, I guess it is possible that the antibiotic is in the exception, but that is much more confusing since the stem says no antibiotic right now is in that exception.
Who else had to make a side note NOT to confuse MSS and MBT due to MBT's phrasing of its question stem?
I mean, the two types of LR question types are not far off from each other, it is still important to be able to distinguish the two from. each other.
Thought E was wrong because it says 'to at least some.' if the resistance development is inevitable, then it would have to say 'to all' used against it.
That's exactly how I thought of it as well.
I keep getting frustrated because I get the question wrong on my first try, then I get it right in the blind review. It's good that I am getting them right, I guess it is just a matter of having my blind review thinking while under time pressure. I guess my main problem is, when should I start worrying about time pressure? Is now (2 months in) too early?
I think the "worrying" part is greatly dependent on when you are expecting to take the exam. Personally, I don't think that working through time pressures still at only 2 months in is a great concern quite yet...maybe just something that you need to be more mindful of moving forward. What helped me the best with time pressure is just ignoring the clock completely. 9/10 times it actually helps me shave off a decent amount of time when I don't look at the timer at all.
Focus on learning the concepts regardless of how long it takes right now. Increased time will come with practice. You got this!!