I had so much trouble with this one! It didn't click that I should be considering what is the least useful for the homeowners. What was the process of knowing to put yourself in the perspective of the homeowner here instead of the government or the home lighting industry?
@laurenstudies Not sure if this is helpful or even correct, but the way I approached this question was by finding the four answer choices that ARE useful to know in evaluating the argument (which is that even though low-wattage bulbs are more expensive than normal bulbs, their advantages are enormous and therefore everyone should use low-wattage bulbs). Once I found those four answer choices that WERE useful to know, I was left with the "correct answer". Idk if that makes any sense lol but that's just kind of how my brains processed this
Basically, I put myself in the shoes of the homeowner. I thought to myself, "Why should I buy a low-wattage bulb?" and "How would I go about making that decision?"
Certainly, no one cares how much profit a company makes off of selling the product. I only care about how it works, what do people say about it, etc.
@OmarAbuaita I get this, but I think I had trouble bc I wasn't necessarily putting myself in the shoes of the homeowner. Why wouldn't we think like the gov or home lighting industry for evaluating the argument?
@laurenstudies Look at the conclusion of the author's argument, "Although low-wattage bulbs cost more per bulb than normal bulbs, their advantages to the homeowner are enormous, and therefore everyone should use low-wattage bulbs".
The author is talking DIRECTLY to the homeowner, US, about these amazing low-wattage bulbs that last longer than normal bulbs. He says to us, "Everyone should use low-wattage bulbs".
We the homeowner, just don't care about how much profit the company makes.
I got it right, but definitely went way over the time I should've as I just didn't understand what the question was asking at first. I'm not even sure I fully understand even after going over it :(
Distinguish Premise and Conclusion (focus on conclusion) -- connect the correct answer to conclusion to see if the answer is indeed relevant to the conclusion (in this case--look for answer choice that is not relevant or LEAST useful to evaluate conclusion)
I easily narrowed it down to B or D and ended up choosing D. I thought the opinion was least relevant over B, because B is somewhat mentioned in the question as the government and the home lighting industry are eager to change, I thought there would be relevance of that. I see how B Is the correct answer choice now because it doesn't affect the argument.
Same here. Additionally, D uses the word opinion and I felt like the opinion would be irrelevant to the facts of the argument, whereas I felt like B did have an impact on the argument both because of the source and also because it impacts one of the initial premises. I don't think I feel very clear on why B is the right choice and D is not correct.
I was with you on this, but the explanation of B makes sense to me now. B is the right answer because it doesn't matter what their profits are-that's not what the argument is focused on. The argument is focused on the advantages of the bulbs, not anything else. So answer choice B is right because it's not useful to the overall argument, even though the companies are briefly mentioned in the premises. Answer choice D tripped me up to, but I think about it like this: The opinion of users (D) is also helpful information because, are people happy? What if the light is bad, or unreliable and you actually can't see anything using the low-wattage bulbs, making the other bulbs better for reading, for example. It actually could be worth knowing (since the argument is all about the advantages of switching). I hope that helps :)
You are correct if we were talking about the perspective of the corporations. Since we are talking about homeowners, I don't think the average person cares if the company is making more or if the government is getting kickbacks or benefits. Plus, it goes back to attacking the source of the data/push for the bulbs. I understand where you are coming from as a human, but the LSAT is not a human (probably a demon). It does not care. It does not want you attacking the source/premises in these questions.
Thank you. This is a category of question I need to work further on. I find the strengthen, weaken, evaluate ones difficult. Also EXCEPT always messes me up.
@jjjjffff this is also a trick for a logical fallacy, being that it requires you to assume the idea that it being highly profitable makes them encouraging the switch to be untrustworthy. this is i think ad hominem / maybe appeal to authority kinda
Initally, I chose C because the stem already discussed the cost comparison so I thought it would somehow be irrelevant if already addressed but in hindsight, I understand how it would be far more useful in evaluating the arg. versus answer choice B.
I ended up picking B in BR because I figured maybe the question was aiming in the direction that J.Y. explained. But I’m still not clear on why addressing motivation is not a good method of addressing an argument. This is my thought process: if someone is attempting to sell a product and making claims about it, it usually helps to know whether there is a significant financial incentive driving the sale of said product. The larger the financial incentive, the more tempting it would be to stretch or even falsify the truth regarding the product itself. What am I getting wrong here?
The main argument is that it's beneficial to homeowners. How much a company makes off of something is not relevant to consumer choice.
If Apple were to say hey everyone buy these iPhones instead of Androids because we're going to make money, that's not really a reason to buy it. Vs buy our iphones because even though they're more expensive at first, the battery lasts longer, or our phones are proven to be more durable so they will last you longer, or there's a lifetime warranty etc. idk I'm making up loose examples. It would be much more relevant to have that information.
Or another way to think is that the question says what is the LEAST useful. which doesn't mean that it's completely useless. It just means how useful is it relative to other options. And also it is more helpful when making a decision as a consumer to have a comparative price analysis and also to know how well something works.
“Burning” is a misleading word choice for answer choice A, I have never in my life heard of turning on lightbulbs being referred to as “burning”. In the interpretation of “burning” in the more common use of the verb answer choice A is much more irrelevant than answer choice B.
@christianranalli77 I agree, I thought the author was referring to disposing of the bulbs as "burning." I have also not ever encountered that as a verb ever. I guess that wouldn't make sense though, to burn bulbs as disposal.
Maybe the author was trying to trick us with the use of that word.
I wish he would also make videos on how he would answer questions if he was actually taking the test. I like these longer explanations as they help really develop an understating of how to get the correct answer choice, but we do not have 7+ minutes for a question.
This might not be very helpful, but in many cases, a high-scorer is actually thinking through about 90% of what you see in these video explanations, but just extremely fast. So, for a lot of questions, there actually isn't a meaningful difference between what's in the explanations and what we'd be thinking in a real-time condition. Many concepts and patterns are simply so familiar that we react almost automatically to them. Explaining what those patterns are and why we're reacting the way we are makes the process seem much longer, as you see in a lot of explanations. But that doesn't mean that we're doing a lot that's different under timed conditions.
One notable difference, however, is that under timed conditions, high-scorers are almost never drawing out the visuals that you see in the explanations. A diagram for conditional reasoning might be helpful on 1 or 2 questions in a section, but in most cases, the diagram that appears drawn in the explanation is just visualized mentally.
In addition, for certain question types, high-scorers will identify the issue that the correct answer is likely to address. And in this case, if an answer adequately addresses that issue, they're not necessarily seriously reading the other answer choices. The explanation videos might spend more time on those wrong answers, but in a timed situation those answers would barely even get processed in the first place.
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Ohhh, well, that should have been easy. I'm just an idiot 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@MarieChavis Same, i felt so dumb after going through the question review.
I accidentally was looking for the most useful. went and did the blind review and realized I misread the question
YAYAYA I got it right! :)
I had so much trouble with this one! It didn't click that I should be considering what is the least useful for the homeowners. What was the process of knowing to put yourself in the perspective of the homeowner here instead of the government or the home lighting industry?
@laurenstudies Not sure if this is helpful or even correct, but the way I approached this question was by finding the four answer choices that ARE useful to know in evaluating the argument (which is that even though low-wattage bulbs are more expensive than normal bulbs, their advantages are enormous and therefore everyone should use low-wattage bulbs). Once I found those four answer choices that WERE useful to know, I was left with the "correct answer". Idk if that makes any sense lol but that's just kind of how my brains processed this
Ya lol who cares about the company. I want my bulbs
Easiest question of my life...
Basically, I put myself in the shoes of the homeowner. I thought to myself, "Why should I buy a low-wattage bulb?" and "How would I go about making that decision?"
Certainly, no one cares how much profit a company makes off of selling the product. I only care about how it works, what do people say about it, etc.
@OmarAbuaita I get this, but I think I had trouble bc I wasn't necessarily putting myself in the shoes of the homeowner. Why wouldn't we think like the gov or home lighting industry for evaluating the argument?
@laurenstudies Look at the conclusion of the author's argument, "Although low-wattage bulbs cost more per bulb than normal bulbs, their advantages to the homeowner are enormous, and therefore everyone should use low-wattage bulbs".
The author is talking DIRECTLY to the homeowner, US, about these amazing low-wattage bulbs that last longer than normal bulbs. He says to us, "Everyone should use low-wattage bulbs".
We the homeowner, just don't care about how much profit the company makes.
@OmarAbuaita Thanks! Super helpful
Got this right and felt good! Until I saw it was a easy level question :( lol a win is a win i guess!
I got it right, but definitely went way over the time I should've as I just didn't understand what the question was asking at first. I'm not even sure I fully understand even after going over it :(
Distinguish Premise and Conclusion (focus on conclusion) -- connect the correct answer to conclusion to see if the answer is indeed relevant to the conclusion (in this case--look for answer choice that is not relevant or LEAST useful to evaluate conclusion)
To me B made the most sense because the conclusion was that it has an advantage to home owners and B does not support that
i need to fucking read the question stem I swear my brain consistently glosses over the "least" or "except" every time
This question was written by the home lighting lobby
Home lighting lobby x LSAC colab
I easily narrowed it down to B or D and ended up choosing D. I thought the opinion was least relevant over B, because B is somewhat mentioned in the question as the government and the home lighting industry are eager to change, I thought there would be relevance of that. I see how B Is the correct answer choice now because it doesn't affect the argument.
Same here. Additionally, D uses the word opinion and I felt like the opinion would be irrelevant to the facts of the argument, whereas I felt like B did have an impact on the argument both because of the source and also because it impacts one of the initial premises. I don't think I feel very clear on why B is the right choice and D is not correct.
I was with you on this, but the explanation of B makes sense to me now. B is the right answer because it doesn't matter what their profits are-that's not what the argument is focused on. The argument is focused on the advantages of the bulbs, not anything else. So answer choice B is right because it's not useful to the overall argument, even though the companies are briefly mentioned in the premises. Answer choice D tripped me up to, but I think about it like this: The opinion of users (D) is also helpful information because, are people happy? What if the light is bad, or unreliable and you actually can't see anything using the low-wattage bulbs, making the other bulbs better for reading, for example. It actually could be worth knowing (since the argument is all about the advantages of switching). I hope that helps :)
ALSO watts are not a unit of energy so the shift from low wattage to low energy is also suspect.
Well I do think the profit part is relevant since it is industy groups (along with govt) that are pushing the new bulbs.
You are correct if we were talking about the perspective of the corporations. Since we are talking about homeowners, I don't think the average person cares if the company is making more or if the government is getting kickbacks or benefits. Plus, it goes back to attacking the source of the data/push for the bulbs. I understand where you are coming from as a human, but the LSAT is not a human (probably a demon). It does not care. It does not want you attacking the source/premises in these questions.
Thank you. This is a category of question I need to work further on. I find the strengthen, weaken, evaluate ones difficult. Also EXCEPT always messes me up.
@jjjjffff this is also a trick for a logical fallacy, being that it requires you to assume the idea that it being highly profitable makes them encouraging the switch to be untrustworthy. this is i think ad hominem / maybe appeal to authority kinda
Initally, I chose C because the stem already discussed the cost comparison so I thought it would somehow be irrelevant if already addressed but in hindsight, I understand how it would be far more useful in evaluating the arg. versus answer choice B.
I ended up picking B in BR because I figured maybe the question was aiming in the direction that J.Y. explained. But I’m still not clear on why addressing motivation is not a good method of addressing an argument. This is my thought process: if someone is attempting to sell a product and making claims about it, it usually helps to know whether there is a significant financial incentive driving the sale of said product. The larger the financial incentive, the more tempting it would be to stretch or even falsify the truth regarding the product itself. What am I getting wrong here?
The main argument is that it's beneficial to homeowners. How much a company makes off of something is not relevant to consumer choice.
If Apple were to say hey everyone buy these iPhones instead of Androids because we're going to make money, that's not really a reason to buy it. Vs buy our iphones because even though they're more expensive at first, the battery lasts longer, or our phones are proven to be more durable so they will last you longer, or there's a lifetime warranty etc. idk I'm making up loose examples. It would be much more relevant to have that information.
Or another way to think is that the question says what is the LEAST useful. which doesn't mean that it's completely useless. It just means how useful is it relative to other options. And also it is more helpful when making a decision as a consumer to have a comparative price analysis and also to know how well something works.
“Burning” is a misleading word choice for answer choice A, I have never in my life heard of turning on lightbulbs being referred to as “burning”. In the interpretation of “burning” in the more common use of the verb answer choice A is much more irrelevant than answer choice B.
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@christianranalli77 I agree, I thought the author was referring to disposing of the bulbs as "burning." I have also not ever encountered that as a verb ever. I guess that wouldn't make sense though, to burn bulbs as disposal.
Maybe the author was trying to trick us with the use of that word.
Answered this question so fast I was thinking I got it wrong at first lol
I originally picked B but changed it to A in the br because I assumed they actually meant burned lmao
LEAST useful! LEAST! They put it in CAPS and I still skipped that part.
I wish he would also make videos on how he would answer questions if he was actually taking the test. I like these longer explanations as they help really develop an understating of how to get the correct answer choice, but we do not have 7+ minutes for a question.
This might not be very helpful, but in many cases, a high-scorer is actually thinking through about 90% of what you see in these video explanations, but just extremely fast. So, for a lot of questions, there actually isn't a meaningful difference between what's in the explanations and what we'd be thinking in a real-time condition. Many concepts and patterns are simply so familiar that we react almost automatically to them. Explaining what those patterns are and why we're reacting the way we are makes the process seem much longer, as you see in a lot of explanations. But that doesn't mean that we're doing a lot that's different under timed conditions.
One notable difference, however, is that under timed conditions, high-scorers are almost never drawing out the visuals that you see in the explanations. A diagram for conditional reasoning might be helpful on 1 or 2 questions in a section, but in most cases, the diagram that appears drawn in the explanation is just visualized mentally.
In addition, for certain question types, high-scorers will identify the issue that the correct answer is likely to address. And in this case, if an answer adequately addresses that issue, they're not necessarily seriously reading the other answer choices. The explanation videos might spend more time on those wrong answers, but in a timed situation those answers would barely even get processed in the first place.
im ngl. I picked A because I assumed it literally meant burning lmfao
lololol bro that's awesome
LOL
it really do be like that
@benjamincpino if it makes you feel any better I took it literal too and also assumed they meant they're actually burning the bulbs
I got this right but i honestly found this question to be harder than 1 star... we dont see this question type/form a lot
I almost got this wrong. I considered the term "least useful," and I didn't think B because it doesn't help at all.