I didn't realize that both ridiculing and lavishing praise both have the idea of "pleasure." I thought it was only in the first part so immediately crossed that out. Whoops...
I got stuck on E but then realized that it is wrong bc it only explains phenomenon going on in premises (why a critic's opinion increases or undermines pleasure in experiencing the artwork). It does not talk more broadly abt what that means regarding artistic merit which is what the conclusion is talking abt. Hope this helps anyone also a little lost on this one.
c: artistic merit depends on the artist and those who critically eval it
Wait, where does it say anything about pleasure being connected to merit? No. We need something that connects that bridge.
a) does that exactly
b) brings up why we might look to critics, but that doesn't explain why pleasure and merit are related
c) we still don't know the grounds for artisitc merti and how that correlates to pleasure
d) again, this still doesn't tell us pleasure and merit are related, though this is tempting. this is tempting because it feels like, yeah if they would look at what a critique says then it would influence the way ou feel about something but that points to our gap-- the argument is missing that artisitic merit comes from how much a piece of art can make you feel something (pleasure)
e) this isn't what we need, we need pleasure connected to merit. if we have that, then we have our a--> b--> c
Definitley going to need to put a lot of extra attention on Sufficnet Assumption Questions on all of them so far, I have gotten down to the final 2 choices and picked the incorrect one while having the correct one as my secondary choice
I didn't chose A because I felt that it was declaring the only measure of the merit of an artistic work is solely the pleasure it elicits, rather than clarifying the pleasure in addition to the person who creates it. I also still don't understand why E doesn't effectively bridge as a premise to the conclusion?
@EllieBonnette My understanding of why E doesn't serve as a bridge is because it still doesn't tell us the connection between pleasure and merit (which is what we are trying to connect together). It's almost too broad in a sense and would work great for other question types, but when we are trying to make the argument as airtight as possible, it leaves too much room for air bubbles to get in.
I find it easier to work with these type of questions if I just try to understand the stimulus and choose the correct answer based on instinct--instead of writing down all the conditional rules which overcomplicates it for me, so if you're struggling with writing down the rules try the alternative
I chose C. I don't know why. I don't know how. I don't even remember reading this question. Now I watch an explanation to a question I was not even mentally present for. I travelled away from space and time, I entered a new realm, a new reality. My earthly body chose C while I was away. Was I abducted by aliens or do I have ADHD?
For anyone that may need help with this kind of question:
When questions are like this P ---> C then the premise will always be the sufficient condition and the conclusion will be the necessary condition.
Because if P is true then the conclusion is true.
If there is ever only 1 premise and 1 conclusion, then the answer will be merely a restatement or a restatement but in the contrapositive. The lsat will try to trick you by using different words.
If I am 90% sure the answer I read (in this case A) is correct, should I bother reading the others? Should I just skim? What's the best approach for maximizing time savings without minimizing accuracy (too much). What's the right balance?
Anyone who has an opinion (and has gotten their time to where it needs to be) please lmk.
@AndrewWiedenkeller Hi! I would say to always read the other ACs. Even if you do read the first answer and feel that iit'scorrect, it's important to rule out why the others are wrong. I would also say that even if you're sure an AC is correct, the possibility of a stronger AC is always likely, and you don't want to miss that if you're skimming over the others.
@Greyhound They really can be super tricky because wrong answers can sound super tempting. The biggest tip i can give is to separate the premise from the conclusion (paraphrase it in ur own words if you can too) and build that P -> C bridge.
@AriannaAlamo E is the general principle that the stim follows. But the question stem is basically asking you to strengthen the argument, which A does by connecting the premise to the conclusion. The fact that A is super specific about how merit is determined by pleasure is key here. E is being super broad, which doesnt strengthen the argument as much as A does
I'm by no means the best at SA but what's helped me is realizing that (E) is "bridging the wrong gap" in the stimulus. Yes, it bridges some gaps in the premises but only the premises (but kinda only the gap from our own assumptions). You have to make sure you know what gap you're bridging. (A) bridges the gap between the premises and the conclusion, which makes it the correct answer.
I am having the most difficulty with this section and was wondering if anyone had any advice on approaching and answering these questions. I always seem to be one step away from the correct answer, but can't identify the final step to reaching the answer.
What has helped me is trying to read really slow. Like way slower than you think is possible. One word at a time, move through the passage and each answer. Just do this until you can start getting a feel for the grammar and logical indicators. I feel like with these problems it is difficult to utilize any trick other than just having a good understanding of the exact words being used.
What has helped me is, like others have been saying, reading very very slowly. I don't move past a comma unless I know what has been said so far. The second it being a pedantic asshole. These go hand in hand.
These questions are hard because the assumptions are so subtle that your brain fills them in automatically because you are being a good interlocutor and assuming the best version of the persons argument. Don't do that. Question every little step, no matter how small, and the answers should become more obvious.
Some clues that you can use are subtle shifts in wording. Like in this one, it says nothing about artistic merit in the first sentence, just links critics' opinions to viewers' pleasure. If you are reading word by word, 'merit' in the second sentence should throw up alarm bells because it is a categorically new idea. This means there has to be some bridge between pleasure and merit. That bridge is probably held up by assumptions that you need to make explicit. Therefore A.
I was stuck between A and E, and ended up choosing E bc it talked about general influence. Can someone provide another explanation for why its A and not E. And where you think my thinking likely went wrong?
I did the same thing I chose E and then on the br chose A as I was stuck between the two aswell. After seeing A was right it hit me right in the face... E says nothing about the artistic mert as said in the conlcusion. Its a trap becuase they talk about pleasure and it seems correct at first glance, just really need to slow down and read every word. I took often make this misteak and a way around it that is super straight foward and works for me 80% of the time is looking for the word from the conclusion in the answer choices. If the conclusion is talking about what foods are healthy for small dogs becuase of how they process it and there are two answers you are stuck on and both talk about which foods are best for dogs due to how they process it, I would look for the answer that says the word small b/c most of the time the correct answer will use the terminology from the conclusion in it.
Hey! I was also going between A and E, but I ended up choosing A because the last sentence of the prompt says 'An artwork's artistic merit can depend on the person who creates it or the one who evaluates it'. Earlier in the prompt it states that the critic's opinion can influence pleasure one takes in the art - so if the critic can influence an artwork's artistic merit - the merit must be determined by pleasure one takes in it, which is how I landed on A. I don't know if this makes sense but that was just my thought process!
Its cause u tend to notice a lot of gaps missing in the other answer choices. I was stuck between A and E but E was saying "others" which isnt specific enough to entail art critics.
What confused me the most about this question was what exactly the argument here was in the conclusion. Clearly it's speaking about pleasure in the premises, yet there's no mention of pleasure in the conclusion, only "artistic merit" but by looking in hindsight now, it seems that the conclusion is the fact that artistic merit is derived by the art critic, who doubly so can influence the pleasure, and undermine it as well.
When I struggle with these questions, most of the time it's because I haven't correctly identified the conclusion. Or, I HAVE correctly identified the conclusion, but then my non-7sage brain is like i dont care if that's the conclusion, im going with E. But then when I get my shit together on BR, I end up w the right AC
I didn't think the issue at hand was connecting pleasure to merit. I thought the issue at hand was connecting critics' assessments and people actually hearing those assessments first.
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I didn't realize that both ridiculing and lavishing praise both have the idea of "pleasure." I thought it was only in the first part so immediately crossed that out. Whoops...
I got stuck on E but then realized that it is wrong bc it only explains phenomenon going on in premises (why a critic's opinion increases or undermines pleasure in experiencing the artwork). It does not talk more broadly abt what that means regarding artistic merit which is what the conclusion is talking abt. Hope this helps anyone also a little lost on this one.
@EmilySantiana Thanks for explaining, i originally chose E, then A in BR.
Predicting the right answer is so satisfying.
Art Critics (A) influence Pleasure (B)
[Missing Piece]
---------------------------------------------
Art Critics (A) influence Merit (C)
Missing Piece = Pleasure (B) influences Merit (C)
A -> B
B -> C
____
A -> C
Answered D...
Before watching the video, I looked at the question again and realized D doesn't actually bridge the gap between pleasure and merit. A does that.
Answering D means you're still assuming pleasure is bridged to merit without having anything to back it up.
Art critic can affect pleasure of viewing art.
Merit depends on artist and critic.
We need a bridge between pleasure to merit.
ridicule --> undermine pleasure
praise --> increse pleasure
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c: artistic merit depends on the artist and those who critically eval it
Wait, where does it say anything about pleasure being connected to merit? No. We need something that connects that bridge.
a) does that exactly
b) brings up why we might look to critics, but that doesn't explain why pleasure and merit are related
c) we still don't know the grounds for artisitc merti and how that correlates to pleasure
d) again, this still doesn't tell us pleasure and merit are related, though this is tempting. this is tempting because it feels like, yeah if they would look at what a critique says then it would influence the way ou feel about something but that points to our gap-- the argument is missing that artisitic merit comes from how much a piece of art can make you feel something (pleasure)
e) this isn't what we need, we need pleasure connected to merit. if we have that, then we have our a--> b--> c
Definitley going to need to put a lot of extra attention on Sufficnet Assumption Questions on all of them so far, I have gotten down to the final 2 choices and picked the incorrect one while having the correct one as my secondary choice
I didn't chose A because I felt that it was declaring the only measure of the merit of an artistic work is solely the pleasure it elicits, rather than clarifying the pleasure in addition to the person who creates it. I also still don't understand why E doesn't effectively bridge as a premise to the conclusion?
@EllieBonnette My understanding of why E doesn't serve as a bridge is because it still doesn't tell us the connection between pleasure and merit (which is what we are trying to connect together). It's almost too broad in a sense and would work great for other question types, but when we are trying to make the argument as airtight as possible, it leaves too much room for air bubbles to get in.
I find it easier to work with these type of questions if I just try to understand the stimulus and choose the correct answer based on instinct--instead of writing down all the conditional rules which overcomplicates it for me, so if you're struggling with writing down the rules try the alternative
I chose C. I don't know why. I don't know how. I don't even remember reading this question. Now I watch an explanation to a question I was not even mentally present for. I travelled away from space and time, I entered a new realm, a new reality. My earthly body chose C while I was away. Was I abducted by aliens or do I have ADHD?
@JPolus so relatable lol
@Ender samee
I picked B because I'm a pompous asshole
I BR'ed A because it's the only one that makes sense lol
Finally got one right in this lesson. Party at my house!
Also, I have to remember to focus on the Premise to Conclusion Bridge.
For anyone that may need help with this kind of question:
When questions are like this P ---> C then the premise will always be the sufficient condition and the conclusion will be the necessary condition.
Because if P is true then the conclusion is true.
If there is ever only 1 premise and 1 conclusion, then the answer will be merely a restatement or a restatement but in the contrapositive. The lsat will try to trick you by using different words.
@goodluckonthelsatguys is this because the premise can likely exist by itself but the conclusion needs the premise to exist?
If I am 90% sure the answer I read (in this case A) is correct, should I bother reading the others? Should I just skim? What's the best approach for maximizing time savings without minimizing accuracy (too much). What's the right balance?
Anyone who has an opinion (and has gotten their time to where it needs to be) please lmk.
@AndrewWiedenkeller Hi! I would say to always read the other ACs. Even if you do read the first answer and feel that iit'scorrect, it's important to rule out why the others are wrong. I would also say that even if you're sure an AC is correct, the possibility of a stronger AC is always likely, and you don't want to miss that if you're skimming over the others.
These SA questions are kicking my butt, but I'm going to figure them out!
@Greyhound They really can be super tricky because wrong answers can sound super tempting. The biggest tip i can give is to separate the premise from the conclusion (paraphrase it in ur own words if you can too) and build that P -> C bridge.
I dont understand why E is wrong? Is it not saying the exact same thing as A?
@AriannaAlamo E is the general principle that the stim follows. But the question stem is basically asking you to strengthen the argument, which A does by connecting the premise to the conclusion. The fact that A is super specific about how merit is determined by pleasure is key here. E is being super broad, which doesnt strengthen the argument as much as A does
@AriannaAlamo I also initally selected E, what helped me was realizing that SA questions must include the author's conclusion!
I'm by no means the best at SA but what's helped me is realizing that (E) is "bridging the wrong gap" in the stimulus. Yes, it bridges some gaps in the premises but only the premises (but kinda only the gap from our own assumptions). You have to make sure you know what gap you're bridging. (A) bridges the gap between the premises and the conclusion, which makes it the correct answer.
@oxford_comma holy shit idk why this never clicked for me before, of course it does!
#feedback not sure if this is a glitch, but the program registered an incorrect answer for me ( I selected E but program registered A)
Sorry, I selected A but it registered E :)
Hi everyone,
I am having the most difficulty with this section and was wondering if anyone had any advice on approaching and answering these questions. I always seem to be one step away from the correct answer, but can't identify the final step to reaching the answer.
Thanks for the help!
same, these are very challenging for me :/ getting frustrated and want to hulk smash if im being real
What has helped me is trying to read really slow. Like way slower than you think is possible. One word at a time, move through the passage and each answer. Just do this until you can start getting a feel for the grammar and logical indicators. I feel like with these problems it is difficult to utilize any trick other than just having a good understanding of the exact words being used.
What has helped me is, like others have been saying, reading very very slowly. I don't move past a comma unless I know what has been said so far. The second it being a pedantic asshole. These go hand in hand.
These questions are hard because the assumptions are so subtle that your brain fills them in automatically because you are being a good interlocutor and assuming the best version of the persons argument. Don't do that. Question every little step, no matter how small, and the answers should become more obvious.
Some clues that you can use are subtle shifts in wording. Like in this one, it says nothing about artistic merit in the first sentence, just links critics' opinions to viewers' pleasure. If you are reading word by word, 'merit' in the second sentence should throw up alarm bells because it is a categorically new idea. This means there has to be some bridge between pleasure and merit. That bridge is probably held up by assumptions that you need to make explicit. Therefore A.
Hi, I was mainly stuck between A and E.
I quickly mapped it as:
art critic ridicules --> can undermine pleasure
art critic lavish praise --> can make viewing art more pleasurable
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
c: art merit can depend on creator and evaluators
I was stuck between A and E, and ended up choosing E bc it talked about general influence. Can someone provide another explanation for why its A and not E. And where you think my thinking likely went wrong?
Thank you!
I did the same thing I chose E and then on the br chose A as I was stuck between the two aswell. After seeing A was right it hit me right in the face... E says nothing about the artistic mert as said in the conlcusion. Its a trap becuase they talk about pleasure and it seems correct at first glance, just really need to slow down and read every word. I took often make this misteak and a way around it that is super straight foward and works for me 80% of the time is looking for the word from the conclusion in the answer choices. If the conclusion is talking about what foods are healthy for small dogs becuase of how they process it and there are two answers you are stuck on and both talk about which foods are best for dogs due to how they process it, I would look for the answer that says the word small b/c most of the time the correct answer will use the terminology from the conclusion in it.
Hey! I was also going between A and E, but I ended up choosing A because the last sentence of the prompt says 'An artwork's artistic merit can depend on the person who creates it or the one who evaluates it'. Earlier in the prompt it states that the critic's opinion can influence pleasure one takes in the art - so if the critic can influence an artwork's artistic merit - the merit must be determined by pleasure one takes in it, which is how I landed on A. I don't know if this makes sense but that was just my thought process!
I don't know how but I get it right just with going with my gut and what sounds right. I'm worried because I don't really know why I get it right.
Its cause u tend to notice a lot of gaps missing in the other answer choices. I was stuck between A and E but E was saying "others" which isnt specific enough to entail art critics.
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this is the first Sufficient Assumption question i got right. thank god was starting to crumble
What confused me the most about this question was what exactly the argument here was in the conclusion. Clearly it's speaking about pleasure in the premises, yet there's no mention of pleasure in the conclusion, only "artistic merit" but by looking in hindsight now, it seems that the conclusion is the fact that artistic merit is derived by the art critic, who doubly so can influence the pleasure, and undermine it as well.
When I struggle with these questions, most of the time it's because I haven't correctly identified the conclusion. Or, I HAVE correctly identified the conclusion, but then my non-7sage brain is like i dont care if that's the conclusion, im going with E. But then when I get my shit together on BR, I end up w the right AC
I knew I should have picked A but thought E sounded better :((((
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I didn't think the issue at hand was connecting pleasure to merit. I thought the issue at hand was connecting critics' assessments and people actually hearing those assessments first.