Only got this after 3 FULL minutes! Currently batting 0.500 with these Sufficient Assumption questions. This has to be the most humbling section... right? RIGHT? I don't understand why PSA questions were so much easier given that this is a tangential application.
took my 9 minutes and 49 seconds. Got it right, but it fried my brain in the process. There is so much layering in this question that you really need to move away from and get to the nitty gritty. This is just bad writing-where you have to figure out what the author is really saying.
This question being #18 on a real legit test is so crazy to me. If this happens to me idk if I will be able to literally focus on other questions mid-test... wow
I think the difficulty ratings on these questions is really subjective. I missed every previous SA question on timed then got it right on BR,. This one I just intuitively knew almost right away, but the explanation confused me.
For anyone struggling, put very simply, I chose the right answer because it was the missing link than mentioned both communication and a spacecraft. I went hunting for the argument's "glue," and the right answer had it.
@SofiyaBerman ohhhhh now that...is actually a really good point. I was out here focusing WAY too hard on the "outside the solar system" part of every answer, looking to find the correct answer on a technical detail that was missing. Still frustrated that this question felt like a different language, but this explanation really helped. Thank you!
@Buppaw i think sometimes the question can be over-explained. like i think for me, i read the stimulus and said "okay, there are two options here for how to discover sentient beings" and kinda found my answer in D. i think sometimes mapping it out can be a bit confusing and time-consuming.
Hang with me folks, I think I figured it out (writing it out has helped me when looking at the question):
Conclusion: we will not be able to determine if there are sentient beings on planets outside our solar system anytime in the near futureUNLESSsome of these beings are at least as intelligent as humans.
---> Why is that?: Because we will not be able to send spacecraft in near future + any sentient capable of communicating would have to be as intelligent as us.
B, C and E do not prove why we won't be able to determine if there are sentient beings on plants outside our solar system (unless said beings are as intelligent), which is what the conclusion is.
"B": "any beings as intelligent as humans" --> stimulus doesn't say what they would want to do (i.e. communicate with sentient beings outside their own solar systems)
"C": the fact that we won't be able to send a spacecraft to other planets isn't contingent on whether there are sentient beings living there.
"E": the conclusion states that unless SOME of the other sentient beings is as intelligent as humans, and the premise says that ANY sentient capable of communicating is as intelligent as us. But whether these two categories overlap (as intelligent and capable of communicating) are not proving to us why we won't be able to determine whether they exist.
"A": the fact that we won't be able to determine it in the near future doesn't mean that there are no sentient beings in planets other than Earth.
Now, looking at "D" --> "Any sentient capable of communicating would have to be as intelligent as us." --> Ooooh-kay, so if they communicate with us, they are as intelligent as us (Communicate --> As intelligent; contrapositive: /As intelligent --> /Can't communicate). So if they can't communicate, this doesn't mean that they don't exist or aren't as intelligent (just because you have /Can't communicate doesn't mean that they're absent or that, if they're there, they are /As intelligent). But the only way for us to know whether they exist, based on the stimulus, in that case, is to send a spacecraft(which we know we won't be able to do, but based on the description, that's the only way to verify whether those beings exist).
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took me 9 minutes LMAO but I GOT ITTTTTT! talking through everything out loud and really focusing on the word choices helped me
Only got this after 3 FULL minutes! Currently batting 0.500 with these Sufficient Assumption questions. This has to be the most humbling section... right? RIGHT? I don't understand why PSA questions were so much easier given that this is a tangential application.
This is the first question I think I have walked away not understanding it. I feel like other implications is the stimulus clouded my judgement.
I love JY
This might be my best type of question so far. Two level 5 difficulties in a row
I keep getting these questions wrong. SOOOOO, I am going to be done for the day and try again tmr. good luck gang
@lawshosh gotta love the level 5 questions right off rip of learning something new.
How WE are moving through this week's unit:
I hate everything. I'm gonna go be a carpenter or something.
took my 9 minutes and 49 seconds. Got it right, but it fried my brain in the process. There is so much layering in this question that you really need to move away from and get to the nitty gritty. This is just bad writing-where you have to figure out what the author is really saying.
got it in BR but this is some bs
I going to lose my mind
Knew the answer and then overthought it and changed to the wrong answer twice because I was convinced the “easy” answer couldn’t be right 😑
@GnatTaylor same lol, D looked really good to me but i was like "nahhh" smh
This question being #18 on a real legit test is so crazy to me. If this happens to me idk if I will be able to literally focus on other questions mid-test... wow
Nah this makes no sense
@TeklaCo LITERALLYYY SAME! This shit made absolutely ZERO sense. I have to flag this for my tutor lol.
I think the difficulty ratings on these questions is really subjective. I missed every previous SA question on timed then got it right on BR,. This one I just intuitively knew almost right away, but the explanation confused me.
For anyone struggling, put very simply, I chose the right answer because it was the missing link than mentioned both communication and a spacecraft. I went hunting for the argument's "glue," and the right answer had it.
@SofiyaBerman ohhhhh now that...is actually a really good point. I was out here focusing WAY too hard on the "outside the solar system" part of every answer, looking to find the correct answer on a technical detail that was missing. Still frustrated that this question felt like a different language, but this explanation really helped. Thank you!
@B_Freeze2631 Of course! I’m glad I could help!
aren't these questions just the bee's knees..
Nah bc how did this one make sense to me but the other's didn't
To get the question right and then to not understand the explanation is a new level of pain lol
@Buppaw i think sometimes the question can be over-explained. like i think for me, i read the stimulus and said "okay, there are two options here for how to discover sentient beings" and kinda found my answer in D. i think sometimes mapping it out can be a bit confusing and time-consuming.
got it right in normal and wrong in BR lol
@EmeryBeals you dont have to BR if you got it right ?
@ogreen26 yes, but if you do BR and get it wrong after getting it right normally then from what I understand you don't truly make sense of the logic.
Thought i was doing good and finally getting it but this one made me doubt myself
this section is making me crash out!
I am very close to the point of giving up. I am so frustrated these still make no sense to me
@JonathanKennedy22 You are not alone!
Hang with me folks, I think I figured it out (writing it out has helped me when looking at the question):
Conclusion: we will not be able to determine if there are sentient beings on planets outside our solar system anytime in the near future UNLESS some of these beings are at least as intelligent as humans.
---> Why is that?: Because we will not be able to send spacecraft in near future + any sentient capable of communicating would have to be as intelligent as us.
B, C and E do not prove why we won't be able to determine if there are sentient beings on plants outside our solar system (unless said beings are as intelligent), which is what the conclusion is.
"B": "any beings as intelligent as humans" --> stimulus doesn't say what they would want to do (i.e. communicate with sentient beings outside their own solar systems)
"C": the fact that we won't be able to send a spacecraft to other planets isn't contingent on whether there are sentient beings living there.
"E": the conclusion states that unless SOME of the other sentient beings is as intelligent as humans, and the premise says that ANY sentient capable of communicating is as intelligent as us. But whether these two categories overlap (as intelligent and capable of communicating) are not proving to us why we won't be able to determine whether they exist.
"A": the fact that we won't be able to determine it in the near future doesn't mean that there are no sentient beings in planets other than Earth.
@Oasis323 ur a god send thank you
@Oasis323 Thanks for explaining. This helped, now I'm afraid to watch the explanation video because your explanation was so good lol.
@Shannell_E'llan I hope it wasn't too confusing :D I wrote it out after watching the explanation.