(Shake hands) IDK what's with these NA questions, but I just can't do it the same way like the PSA and SA questions. For me I found it helpful to go through the answer choices twice. The first round to ask myself "does this helps to strengthen the argument", and the second round "is this really necessary". My brain just refuse to do these in the same step. ugh.
I have never been more frustrated with the LSAT and LR than these last two sections (SA and NA). I feel like i cannot get anything right no matter how much time I spend on it and I'm losing motivation
You're not alone. This isn't easy. How you feel is valid. Struggling with this sucks, but it's normal. Each study session, I write down 3 VERY small steps to move forward with my study session. When I finish those 3, I write down 3 more small steps. It's really frustrating, but I'm trying to remind myself that "I don't understand it...yet. I am on my way to understanding and mastering this." I think this test is less about how much we get right, and rather about how much we're willing to keep trying no matter how long it takes. I have a hard time taking breaks, but also I recommend taking a few days off. Taking a few days off doesn't "fix" how I feel always, but sometimes it gives me perspective (this test is really important, but it's not everything). The LSAT is humbling af, but on the other side of being humbled is becoming the smartest, most resilient, empathetic, resourceful, and analytical version of yourself...Everything we need to become great lawyers.
I was trying to use the negation test to narrow down between A C and D but I was just confusing myself.
Then I remembered some advice I read on reddit:
"A necessary assumption is something the author must agree with"
so I used that as the test... the author doesn't have to agree with No new technology for transferring old movies from nitrate film to acetate film will ever be developed.
And he doesn't have to agree that Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
But he does have to agree that Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
I imagine that I'm a baby and this question is the first thing I have ever read. I don't know anything about new tech. Im baby. I guess there are old films bc that's what the argument says. That's all I can think bc im baby. I can pay u in blocks.
Got this right on negation. If no films from the earliest year of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material, which if true colllapses the argument. If no early years of Hollywood films exsist in their original material that is unstable and deteriorating nitrate film, then the conclusion does not apply since there is NO films to even have to preserve.
hey.. so how is it possible im getting pretty much every NA question wrong. i feel like I'm doing somersaults and using every possible tactic we've used just for the answer I picked to be incredibly wrong. I'm so frustrated
Touch upon the conditional logic section, trust me I had the same problem, and go over the assumption lesson in the argument section too. The foundational curriculum is critical. I struggled so much with SA and NA, but once you get a grip on the logic and practice your mind will start to read gaps intuitively in the stimulus. Keep working hard I promise it gets better, I felt like giving up every question! If it were easy everyone would do it.
I think I'm finally starting to get these, if you do enough of them and sit there to understand why other answer choices are wrong, you'll automatically start doing the negations in your head as well. I stopped looking for the "weakest" answer or " most supported" because that was confusing me leading me to lose interest and ignore the argument altogether. I just started looking for the answer choice that gives me bare minimum for my argument to be true. If a few answer choices give you bare minimum... make sure they all include the key words or phrases you need to connect your prem to your conclusion. If the arg was a comparison for example, then where is the hole between the compared items, then you can generally make a prediction of that gap the LSAT writers will pick on which might even take it a step further and be the bare minimum of that prediction. But I've noticed most answer choices you can eliminate because they aren't resembling the key phrases I need to fill that gap.
I was stuck between D and C. Ultimately I chose C since it seemed stronger but in retrospect, I should of remembered this was a necessary assumption. Another thing I could of done to get this immediately right is to negate AC D. which would have made it so crystal clear why it is correct. the negation of some is "none" so negated AC D. is none of the films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material - clearly this would ruin the whole argument. If there are no Hollywood films in their original material then it CANNOT be true that some of them will not be preserved because there is NONE! So just a tip if you're truly stuck just negate both and pick the negated answer that makes the arguement not work. In this case I didn't know what the negation of "some" was hence why I got this wrong.
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These necessary assumption questions are evil
(Shake hands) IDK what's with these NA questions, but I just can't do it the same way like the PSA and SA questions. For me I found it helpful to go through the answer choices twice. The first round to ask myself "does this helps to strengthen the argument", and the second round "is this really necessary". My brain just refuse to do these in the same step. ugh.
Not as evil as the sufficient assumption questions
I have never been more frustrated with the LSAT and LR than these last two sections (SA and NA). I feel like i cannot get anything right no matter how much time I spend on it and I'm losing motivation
This was so well put
You're not alone. This isn't easy. How you feel is valid. Struggling with this sucks, but it's normal. Each study session, I write down 3 VERY small steps to move forward with my study session. When I finish those 3, I write down 3 more small steps. It's really frustrating, but I'm trying to remind myself that "I don't understand it...yet. I am on my way to understanding and mastering this." I think this test is less about how much we get right, and rather about how much we're willing to keep trying no matter how long it takes. I have a hard time taking breaks, but also I recommend taking a few days off. Taking a few days off doesn't "fix" how I feel always, but sometimes it gives me perspective (this test is really important, but it's not everything). The LSAT is humbling af, but on the other side of being humbled is becoming the smartest, most resilient, empathetic, resourceful, and analytical version of yourself...Everything we need to become great lawyers.
Drill easier questions until you get it and then come back for these harder ones
The minute JY reads the stimulus, everything makes sense
I HATE THESE QUESTIONS WITH A PASSION
ADVICE!!!:
I was trying to use the negation test to narrow down between A C and D but I was just confusing myself.
Then I remembered some advice I read on reddit:
"A necessary assumption is something the author must agree with"
so I used that as the test... the author doesn't have to agree with No new technology for transferring old movies from nitrate film to acetate film will ever be developed.
And he doesn't have to agree that Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
But he does have to agree that Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
@MJ Oh my gosh youre a lifesaver for this advice
i literally want to cry why am I so bad at NA
we are almost done with this section, and I havent gotten a single answer correct. thanks bye.
@legallyhaya I think i got 1 :(
I am backing down I am giving up
NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT??
never give up
NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT?????
NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!
How i get these right:
I imagine that I'm a baby and this question is the first thing I have ever read. I don't know anything about new tech. Im baby. I guess there are old films bc that's what the argument says. That's all I can think bc im baby. I can pay u in blocks.
@CeciliaBurton1 Yes.
I always have to ask myself WWHSD (What Would Harvey Specter Do) and THEN answer the question.
If l miss one more of these→ I am setting this (metaphorical) house on fire :)
Literally same
Got this right on negation. If no films from the earliest year of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material, which if true colllapses the argument. If no early years of Hollywood films exsist in their original material that is unstable and deteriorating nitrate film, then the conclusion does not apply since there is NO films to even have to preserve.
at least i know ill probably be acing the regular Strengthen questions
@meepmeep I like your duck profile photo 🦆
hey.. so how is it possible im getting pretty much every NA question wrong. i feel like I'm doing somersaults and using every possible tactic we've used just for the answer I picked to be incredibly wrong. I'm so frustrated
Touch upon the conditional logic section, trust me I had the same problem, and go over the assumption lesson in the argument section too. The foundational curriculum is critical. I struggled so much with SA and NA, but once you get a grip on the logic and practice your mind will start to read gaps intuitively in the stimulus. Keep working hard I promise it gets better, I felt like giving up every question! If it were easy everyone would do it.
why was this question so easy compared to some of the previous. my brain is tired.
I think I'm finally starting to get these, if you do enough of them and sit there to understand why other answer choices are wrong, you'll automatically start doing the negations in your head as well. I stopped looking for the "weakest" answer or " most supported" because that was confusing me leading me to lose interest and ignore the argument altogether. I just started looking for the answer choice that gives me bare minimum for my argument to be true. If a few answer choices give you bare minimum... make sure they all include the key words or phrases you need to connect your prem to your conclusion. If the arg was a comparison for example, then where is the hole between the compared items, then you can generally make a prediction of that gap the LSAT writers will pick on which might even take it a step further and be the bare minimum of that prediction. But I've noticed most answer choices you can eliminate because they aren't resembling the key phrases I need to fill that gap.
crashed out, took a 30 minute break, got this question correct.
take a break if you need it guys!
I don't understand any of these questions at all.
right now there is nothing I hate more than NA questions...
I never thought an LSAT question would make me cry, but here we are
I love the negation trick :') I've been missing a lot of these but am slowly getting better... there is hope you guys!!!
fuggg
I was stuck between D and C. Ultimately I chose C since it seemed stronger but in retrospect, I should of remembered this was a necessary assumption. Another thing I could of done to get this immediately right is to negate AC D. which would have made it so crystal clear why it is correct. the negation of some is "none" so negated AC D. is none of the films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material - clearly this would ruin the whole argument. If there are no Hollywood films in their original material then it CANNOT be true that some of them will not be preserved because there is NONE! So just a tip if you're truly stuck just negate both and pick the negated answer that makes the arguement not work. In this case I didn't know what the negation of "some" was hence why I got this wrong.
Lord Jesus, I finally got one right after being hammered by EVERY single previous question.
FUCK