A. CORRECT - If the lenses permanently impacted the sight of the barn owls, that would serve as an alternative explanation as to why the owls reacted to sound the way they did
B. never makes any assumptions about all owls
C. to me, it was never established that this was a strictly human reasoning process
@HenryLehmann I think @ryanpalmer1717 said it best---they're doing it on purpose to test how well you can compartmentalize emotions and focus on cold, hard facts.
Is anyone else feeling like the separation of these question types at this point is doing a little more harm than good? I over thought this one thinking about how "differently" should be approaching this question from a flaw question...
Lets pretend B said all barn owls. Doesn't this rely on the idea that barn owls can all see to similar extents? if they are given glasses that mess with their vision then they have to all have similar vision? I felt like choice A relied on the assumption in B, they have to be able to see if their vision is to be distorted?
@lsatdemon2 I would agree if B was referring to only barn owls, but like you said, it didn't. Choice A dosen't rely on the assumption of B about "all owls" because this is only focused on Barn Owls.
My one qualm with this question was answer choice E. The video discounted this choice fairly quickly but I think it had some legs. The fact that the movement was not corrected does not show you anything conclusive about whether the visual system was actually utilized or not, which is why I think E could be possible. I had to work with the actual experiment this prompt is about in a class, so maybe I am just infusing too much of my own prior experience into an otherwise "more simple" question.
PS in the actual experiment the vision corrected back but sound did not smh
@danlyadov I totally agree with you. The experiment does not directly mention testing if vision to locate sounds, or how the scientist knows it is using an auditory scheme. I didn't know about this experiment prior to this, but I am a STEM student so maybe this is why I also overthought this question. I was in between A and E due to this.
For E, I think the uncertainty about whether the scientists had the right assumptions for their hypothesis to link vision and hearing shows that the evidence was notirrelevant to the conclusion. It might not be the right conclusion to come to from the evidence, but the evidence was at least relevant to the hypothesis.
I was in the same boat because I assumed that if A was true -- the eyesight becoming permanently impaired -- then it would support the fact that the owls would be unable to use their eyesight, hence why the scientist's conclusion was right.
So I settled on E...but in hindsight, I see why it is wrong
I feel like I intuitively understand these questions. I will read the correct AC and then choose it immediately once I read it. Ik this is overconfidence, but why is it that some questions come easier to others because I FLOPPED on SA questions but my confidence is back.
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I saw the long stimulus I did not think when I started it was going to end up talking about blind owls hahaha
Chat this is a real study from 1989.
@WilRothman I'm not even a little surprised. Because they've let them do worse.
I came for discussion but stayed for how disappointed everyone is on this question type.
THE POOR OWL :(
is it just me or is this way harder than a 2 difficulty question
A. CORRECT - If the lenses permanently impacted the sight of the barn owls, that would serve as an alternative explanation as to why the owls reacted to sound the way they did
B. never makes any assumptions about all owls
C. to me, it was never established that this was a strictly human reasoning process
D. were not worried about other bird species
E. the evidence wasn’t irrelevant
@TiaraFulcher Love how you are breaking down each question, this is how my head is sounding when going through the answers!
Why LSAT writers so obsessed with questions about dead animals and animal abuse
@HenryLehmann I think @ryanpalmer1717 said it best---they're doing it on purpose to test how well you can compartmentalize emotions and focus on cold, hard facts.
This reminds me of when I used to cross my eyes and everyone would say they'll get stuck like that.
Is anyone else feeling like the separation of these question types at this point is doing a little more harm than good? I over thought this one thinking about how "differently" should be approaching this question from a flaw question...
Lets pretend B said all barn owls. Doesn't this rely on the idea that barn owls can all see to similar extents? if they are given glasses that mess with their vision then they have to all have similar vision? I felt like choice A relied on the assumption in B, they have to be able to see if their vision is to be distorted?
@lsatdemon2 I would agree if B was referring to only barn owls, but like you said, it didn't. Choice A dosen't rely on the assumption of B about "all owls" because this is only focused on Barn Owls.
Lmao, I'm glad there's a lot of comments agreeing with me about how fucked up this experiment sounds.
I found this easier than the previous ones. I treated it like a weaken question. Lol I thought J.Y. was was trying to trick us
didn't catch b says ALL owls but thankfully even if it says all barn owls is not correct !
poor animals
my worst enemy is reading the answer choices incorrectly.
the rare animal-cruelty LSAT question type...
why is this experiment lowkey evil
@anniethach made me pissed
My one qualm with this question was answer choice E. The video discounted this choice fairly quickly but I think it had some legs. The fact that the movement was not corrected does not show you anything conclusive about whether the visual system was actually utilized or not, which is why I think E could be possible. I had to work with the actual experiment this prompt is about in a class, so maybe I am just infusing too much of my own prior experience into an otherwise "more simple" question.
PS in the actual experiment the vision corrected back but sound did not smh
@danlyadov I totally agree with you. The experiment does not directly mention testing if vision to locate sounds, or how the scientist knows it is using an auditory scheme. I didn't know about this experiment prior to this, but I am a STEM student so maybe this is why I also overthought this question. I was in between A and E due to this.
For E, I think the uncertainty about whether the scientists had the right assumptions for their hypothesis to link vision and hearing shows that the evidence was not irrelevant to the conclusion. It might not be the right conclusion to come to from the evidence, but the evidence was at least relevant to the hypothesis.
@JDMarathon this was helpful, thanks
This argument is a real hoot.
I don't think my statistics professor would have approved of this experiment.
Average Stanford ethics experiment
lmao
This is one cruel experiment
I only got this right because the study made me upset. How evil! haha. I guess attacking arguments really does work.
I was between A and E and decided wrongly sighs*
I was in the same boat because I assumed that if A was true -- the eyesight becoming permanently impaired -- then it would support the fact that the owls would be unable to use their eyesight, hence why the scientist's conclusion was right.
So I settled on E...but in hindsight, I see why it is wrong
I feel like I intuitively understand these questions. I will read the correct AC and then choose it immediately once I read it. Ik this is overconfidence, but why is it that some questions come easier to others because I FLOPPED on SA questions but my confidence is back.
Same here, seems like these types of questions come easier for me than more logic-based questions