#feedback This video is very helpful! However the video is 7 minutes long and the lesson says it will only take 1 minute. Additionally I have watched this video 2-3 times and pressed the arrow onto the next lesson but 7sage is still not registering that I have completed this lesson.
Earlier video JY said Principle Questions are quite different from Pseudo Sufficient Assumption Questions. But now JY says they are basically mirror questions?
I'm taking my LSAT tomorrow (The practice test have me from 160-165)
This is my first time realizing that Sufficient assumption and Necessary assumption questions are called what they are called because of the relationship between Necessary and Sufficient.
I like this check in! It's also really helpful that I took multiple LSATs before embarking on all this curriculum so at least I recognize those questions that made no sense to me then and now can see like "oh great now I see why I need to learn this concept I remember seeing it"
Necessary -- something is necessary to bring about an action (e.g., it is necessary that a soccer ball must be hit toward a goal for a point to be scored). Note, however, that you can kick a soccer ball toward a goal and still miss/not score, so necessary events don't always bring about an outcome.
Sufficient -- something is sufficient to bring about an event (e.g., successful completion of all degree requirements is sufficient to achieve a degree). This is because X (completion of requirements) always results in Y (achieve the degree).
Well to add on to this, a NA is basically bridging the gap between the premise and the conclusion so the conclusion is true. The bridge is necessary for the conclusion to be true. A SA is an unstated premise. In order for the conclusion to be true, for a SA question, you pick an answer choice that is VALID and is the missing premise.
It's basically a question of what level of abstraction is being used to analyze the argument. That is certainly a very imporant skill to have in legal work!
I am trying to view/download the pdf and my screen just shows up as blank when I click the link. It could be my computer but wanted to flag this in case it's not
Just letting you know that the issue has now been fixed. You can now download or view the PDF in this lesson. However, if you are still having issues, please let me know so I can assist you.
My apologies again for the trouble. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
From JY's explanation I understood that when you select the main point of an argument you are engaging in a very general labeling exercise, for example The main point of the argument (from sentence 3) is that "Beauty cannot be defined in purely aesthetic terms". In this case we label sentence 3 as our main point. But our analysis of the argument doesn't delve any deeper than that and we stop there.
Confused about why some questions use " most strongly supported" but fall into multiple categories. An example being how MSS and Strengthen questions have identical stems but are considered to be in different categories? #help
If the question stems asks you "which of the following most strongly supports the above conclusion", then it is a Strengthen/PSA question.
However, if it asks "which of the following conclusions is most strongly supported by the premises above", then it is an MSS question.
The distinction between them is whether a conclusion is stated and you have to support it or if only premises are stated and you must pick the conclusion. Both of them include the phrase "most strongly support" but the context of the whole question stem is very important.
Don't assume if you see that phrase alone that it's one type of question or the other. Same thing when you see the word "principle" in the stem, it could be Principle conform or Strengthen/PSA.
I would order the hierarchy differently. Argument Labeling -> Argument Description -> Argument Description & Analysis -> Argument Engagement and Analysis; Non-Argument
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found description a lot easier to do than engagement and analysis
is there a cheat sheet anywhere listing these LR question stems w/ examples?
thanks!
@Catpop https://coda.io/d/7Sage-LSATs-LR-Cheat-Sheet_di5c3yhdxZY/7Sage-LSAT-LR-Cheat-Sheet_sug4mZW-?utm_campaign=embed&utm_medium=web&utm_source=i5c3yhdxZY#LR-Cheat-Sheet_tuUrFhBi/r7&columnId=c-O_ELUsx_Xy
Love when JY said weakening is to "punch the argument in the face", lol.
everyone got this mwah now onto rc which I am the most scared of ( I'm a slow reader) prayers
in the same boat homie!!
Chat, we finished LR. It is time to LOCK IN.
#feedback This video is very helpful! However the video is 7 minutes long and the lesson says it will only take 1 minute. Additionally I have watched this video 2-3 times and pressed the arrow onto the next lesson but 7sage is still not registering that I have completed this lesson.
you can manually check off the lesson on the syllabus page
what are you smoking today Real Geeker
Earlier video JY said Principle Questions are quite different from Pseudo Sufficient Assumption Questions. But now JY says they are basically mirror questions?
I feel like it’s finally clicking for me…
same! I feel like I was having a very hard time understanding and out of no where it kind of just clicked.
I'm taking my LSAT tomorrow (The practice test have me from 160-165)
This is my first time realizing that Sufficient assumption and Necessary assumption questions are called what they are called because of the relationship between Necessary and Sufficient.
S -> N.
I feel dumb
It's okay - you'll do great!!! :)
I cannot remove this comment ;-;
#help
I don't remember learning necessary assumption type question.
I followed all the curriculum up to now, did I miss the part where it explains necessary assumption type of question?
What's the difference between necessary assumption type and sufficient assumption type?
I like this check in! It's also really helpful that I took multiple LSATs before embarking on all this curriculum so at least I recognize those questions that made no sense to me then and now can see like "oh great now I see why I need to learn this concept I remember seeing it"
It's starting to make sense now that the road is set
Could someone help me by identifying the differences between necessary and sufficient assumptions? #help (Added by Admin)
Necessary -- something is necessary to bring about an action (e.g., it is necessary that a soccer ball must be hit toward a goal for a point to be scored). Note, however, that you can kick a soccer ball toward a goal and still miss/not score, so necessary events don't always bring about an outcome.
Sufficient -- something is sufficient to bring about an event (e.g., successful completion of all degree requirements is sufficient to achieve a degree). This is because X (completion of requirements) always results in Y (achieve the degree).
Well to add on to this, a NA is basically bridging the gap between the premise and the conclusion so the conclusion is true. The bridge is necessary for the conclusion to be true. A SA is an unstated premise. In order for the conclusion to be true, for a SA question, you pick an answer choice that is VALID and is the missing premise.
Thank you!
Paused the video to come up with my own parallel argument to the Socrates one and coincidentally used Charlie in my parallel argument too lol
Please help what is the PDF password so I can print #help
Hi there,
Sorry for the trouble. The password for the PDFs is your 7Sage account email address. See the screenshot below.
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any further questions.
It's basically a question of what level of abstraction is being used to analyze the argument. That is certainly a very imporant skill to have in legal work!
I am trying to view/download the pdf and my screen just shows up as blank when I click the link. It could be my computer but wanted to flag this in case it's not
Yeah I just tried to do the same and for whatever reason the PDF will not load. Hopefully it gets resolved soon
Hi there,
Just letting you know that the issue has now been fixed. You can now download or view the PDF in this lesson. However, if you are still having issues, please let me know so I can assist you.
My apologies again for the trouble. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
What's the difference between Argument Part (Main Point) questions and Labeling questions? #help
From JY's explanation I understood that when you select the main point of an argument you are engaging in a very general labeling exercise, for example The main point of the argument (from sentence 3) is that "Beauty cannot be defined in purely aesthetic terms". In this case we label sentence 3 as our main point. But our analysis of the argument doesn't delve any deeper than that and we stop there.
Is this something we should memorize?
#help (Added by Admin)
Hi! I don't think it's really necessary to formally memorize this! It'll really come naturally as you do more LR questions anyway.
Thank you!!
Confused about why some questions use " most strongly supported" but fall into multiple categories. An example being how MSS and Strengthen questions have identical stems but are considered to be in different categories? #help
If the question stems asks you "which of the following most strongly supports the above conclusion", then it is a Strengthen/PSA question.
However, if it asks "which of the following conclusions is most strongly supported by the premises above", then it is an MSS question.
The distinction between them is whether a conclusion is stated and you have to support it or if only premises are stated and you must pick the conclusion. Both of them include the phrase "most strongly support" but the context of the whole question stem is very important.
Don't assume if you see that phrase alone that it's one type of question or the other. Same thing when you see the word "principle" in the stem, it could be Principle conform or Strengthen/PSA.
Wondering if anyone finds the arg. engagement & analysis to be harder than parallel & description?
I actually feel like the argument description is necessary for engagement & analysis, rather than the other way around.
Wow so fricken cool.. I love this video… I feel like I'm part of a secret group that just unlocked the LSAT secrets lmaooooo
Admin Note: removed all caps
Excellent bird's eye view of LR
I would order the hierarchy differently. Argument Labeling -> Argument Description -> Argument Description & Analysis -> Argument Engagement and Analysis; Non-Argument